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@Xenogear, hey, fair enough. When I was asking questions I was actually asking questions, because I'm not sure how I feel about movies like Fear and Loathing (although I do know I dislike Fear and Loathing). Productive conversation was had, more thinking will have to be done?
There was a review someone here linked to that summed this up very nicely. I'll try to look for it when I get home.
As for its subversiveness, I'm not sure I agree. I think Payne made exactly the kind of film most people think they saw, I just think anyone who liked it for those reasons are indeed horrible, horrible people.
If he was being subversive, I mean . . . goddamn.
EDIT: Sorry, Asty, you already posted that link. Good work.
I think TLP meant subversive as in, at face value, this is a movie about a dude who loves, then loses his wife, but learns to be a better parent in the process. When in actuality the movie is about a dude who's a terrible husband, then loses his wife, and doesn't learn anything in the process. (spoiler alert?)
Worse, it's about a guy who goes through all of that and THINKS he's become a better parent, but actually fails to even realize how big an entitled dickbag he still is and how awful a parent he continues to be.
Here's hoping it gets the tweens reading The Hobbit.
Man, I have a thread and everything for this. Where have you been?
About one of your points:
No;
I've gotta say, I coudn't even get through that article. The author might have had some good points to make, but he's got bad ADHD. He jumps into things he's only going to discuss later or leaves thoughts half finished. He fails to give any clear reference or context and barely elaborates on any of his claims. Blech.
--LeVar Burton
And by silly, I mean stupid.
It's a tricky balance, though. Because if they hadn't foreshadowed the way they did, it would've felt way too out of nowhere. But yeah, I agree, I was just waiting for it to happen.
It was written in an interesting style, for sure, and at times the author did tangentialize a little too much, but I thought the strategy of quoting the imaginary readers/writer/whomever was an effective if unorthodox way of bringing up concrete arguments.
Thanks for bringing it up, Ast and Atomic Ross. I'm glad to understand exactly why I didn't like the movie even though it was trying its hardest into manipulating us into liking it.
It's been 5 pages.... don't hurt me. I felt like there was a major hole dealing with the mcguffin of the totem, and theres nothing either way to tell if we just have to accept it, or if we are supposed to question it. And if we are supposed to question it, I think the entire movie falls apart. Alot of the film deals with the subtlety (or not so much with the train) of your subconscious effecting the dream world they were in. A totem is something only you know about in the dream world, so noone can trick you into thinking its reality. But your subconscious could easily manipulate the totem (in this case, the top) to fall over while you willed it to keep spinning, thus tricking yourself into being stuck in the dream world. But I also think that if this was the case, we would of seen the top fall over in the ending and everyone would of had a much different discussion.
I also talked to alot of people who said they hated the fact that the smash through the bridge wasn't the jolt, "it wasn't hard enough" wasn't good enough for them. I was willing to let that one go.
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All it needed was someone telling Snow they thought he was dead and it would have been Escape from New York In Space!
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Exactly. If it's your dream, you can control the dream to a certain extent, so you would know that way. And the whole point of a totem is to not know what another person's totem is supposed to do. No one knows what side Arthur's weighted die will land on except him.
What I DO think is kind of a goof is the fact that Cobb explains the totem to Ariadne, which is exactly what he's not supposed to do for the totem to work. But hey, it was necessary for us to understand it, and you could argue he decided to trust her or whatever.
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Though, V/H/S is coming out at some point this year.
Something something journey something something destination.
EDIT: Just so I'm not being a totally glib goosefaced mothergooser, are you opposed to 'The Hobbit' films? We do know what becomes of Bilbo and the ring.
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Uh, Jason was a kid who drowned while inattentive goobers made out and smoked pot.
Ash and his friends stumbled on a recording of the book of the dead.
Them's the origins.
So you want an origin of the
In other news, if anyone with Netflix is looking for some fun stuff to stream, I just watched Withnail & I the other day and that was pretty great.