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He wanted a Russian villain to speak Russian.
I don't really get how that's terrible.
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Sorry I wasn't clear. The issue wasn't that he spoke Russian, it was that the language wasn't translated for the audience through subtitles. I don't know if that was a directorial decision, or Rourke's (I cannot find anything confirming one way or the other), but based on his strong stance on the language, I suspect it was Rourke's.
But yes, that last fight scene was shit. Massive disappointment.
It seems like almost every final fight involves the hero losing almost the entire fight, then using some gimmick (the giant arc reactor blowing up in IM1, the Repulsor high five in IM2 for examples), or last minute emotional motivation to win.
I'd like to just see a brutal fight that is close, but never one-sided, with the protagonist winning at the end.
Incredible Hulk?
God I love that fight. Especially when Hulk gets the car-chunk boxing gloves.
Yeah, that was the first one I thought of with a good example of a non-gimmick final fight.
Really the problem is that in a superhero final fight, you almost always have to first establish that the villain is more "brute-force" powerful than the hero, because otherwise it's just a big strong hero beating up on a not-as-strong villain. Once you've established that, the hero still needs to win, which plants you squarely in gimmick territory. I think gimmicks that are successful aren't as bothersome - it's almost always the hero outsmarting the villain or noticing something that was foreshadowed, or something like that. The Iron Man fight-finishing gimmicks don't feel like either of those; both of them would have been just "big explodey deus ex machina" if they hadn't gotten token reveals earlier in the film.
Slightly more satisfying gimmicks are something like Aladdin tricking Jafar into becoming a genie, The Incredibles using the robot claw, even Spider-man remembering that the symbiote doesn't like loud noises (one of the only parts i didn't hate about 3).
I guess I like the idea of a close fight throughout, instead of it being so one-sided until the very end. I also like fights where even though the hero wins, there's some kind of cost associated...either psychological or emotional cost. Like the first Vanko fight in IM2 sort of worked like that...if it had been the last fight (obviously a longer, more even fight), I think it could have done well.
@KalTorak The Aladdin example isn't a bad one.
Most of these other heroes though are established as fighters of some kind.
I could see something where the hero can simply out-endure the villain, and wear him down until he's ragged and sloppy. Something with that kind of Ali/Foreman dynamic.
There are a hell of a lot of gimmick fights in movies in general. People like to be surprised, and a gimmick's a good way to do it, especially if it's a new gimmick. 90% of every fight Indiana Jones has ever been in have been gimmick fights.
That why the first Riami Spider-man finale was excellent. Goblin & Spider-man went at it without holding back, and ended beautifully when
It was heavily inspired by 616 Goblin's original death IIRC. Spider-man's spider-bite was closer to the Ultimate version.
I actually thought about using the first Spider Man as an example of something I liked a bit better...I liked how Spider Man wasn't just beaten down, he was messed with psychologically in an effective way. That and their fight was just brutal at points.
Yup. It was almost painful to watch.
Heck most normal people aren't either.
Norman was in the driver's seat at that point. He was less impulsive than the Goblin persona. He had very little training, experience or strategy for combat unlike his split personality.
Yes, including Elektra.. and the Reb Brown Captain America films.
I thought the whole point of that scene was that Goblin was faking the "It's me, Norman, your pals Dad!" bit to spring his trap on Spider-Man. Though it has been an age since I watched that movie.
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It was better than Daredevil (including the director's cut) and Ghost Rider.
Let me tell you something buddy. I love Thor to death.
The fight scenes were awful. The middle is ok but the Frost giant fight is dark and jittery and the fight with the armor was 12 seconds long.
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Does anyone else get the impression the cast had general enthusiasm with what they were making it? Like, you can watch and tell they're having fun.
Except for Natalie Portman, who does a passable job, but looks exhausted in every shot. You can tell she burned herself out on Black Swan.
I tried watching Elektra. But nothing happened. NOTHING HAPPENED.
Ghost Rider I was oddly okay with. It didn't impress me, but it wasn't dumb.
Dark Knight trailer attached to Avengers
Edit: Though to be fair, that wasn't a hard one to call.
Did you see the teaser clip for DKR where Bane is arrested and held on a plane?
That may go down as one of the best and fucked up escape sequences of any movie ever.
I am beyond excite for both films. This will be a great year for superhero flicks.
I did not see that one. Link?
It was SUPER limited.
I am sure there are low quality camera recordings out on the net... but the studios really don't want that clip floating around, despite it being awesome.
It is also where a lot of the "Bane sounds like he has a mouthful of bees" stuff is coming from. He is very talky in this clip, and it is hard to understand sometimes.
It was basically the same as when they released the Joker's bank robbery sequence in front of... I forget which movie, but it was also IMAX only. Both really cool introductions to the villain.
but it was awesome
are the same people as these two guys
I'm not sure how it's possible for one man to have that much range.