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That argument would be 100% correct, too
TOS
Hostage: Chekhov
Negotiator: Spock (Vulcans aren't compatible with the mind scanner because [plot])
TNG
Hostage: Geordi or Troi
Negotiator: Data (Natch)
DS9
Hostage: O'Brien
Negotiator: Garak (Cardiassian Mental Conditioning, gotta love it)
ENT
I'm not sure if the script would work with these guys, since I don't think they'd have the tech to do the switcheroo at the end. Shran being the negotiator would be fun.
I think of all these, seeing Garak spar with the Clown would be the most enticing.
All the actors were great, the production values were usually top notch (for 90s sci-fi), but damn if the showrunners didn't drop the ball.
Imagine Voyager with Enterprise Season 4's staff.
It's still better than I remembered it. I said earlier I'd also been skipping the holodeck episodes, but I did catch A Fistfull of Datas, the moriarty episodes and Our Man Bashir. Those were all excellent episodes. But how could the license holders of James Bond threaten to sue them for that? They could have easily been parodying the Flint movies, or Matt Helm.
I think the actors were OK, but the presence of Robert Picardo elevates the quality of acting around him.
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no, they didn't.... specifically because he said something derogatory about Berman and Braga and how they craptastically ran the show.
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haha yeah his whole "frontier medicine" thing. lol
"Well maybe you can help by bringing some of your federation medicine to the natives. Oh, you'll find them a friendly, simple folk"
haha.
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One of my favourite SFDebris jokes is when Tom Paris gets promoted again.
Kim: "I don't see new pips on my chair..."
Janeway: "You have a chair?!"
Seriously though, the fact the Starfleet reject turned terrorist and convicted criminal who was demoted for disobeying a direct order was promoted before the perfect officer with a clean record is ridiculous.
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Ah, but he didn't have a clean record; he had a horrible reprimand for having the nerve to have sex with an alien!
It's not like Travis or Hoshi spending ten years as Ensigns. Basically, Harry Kim's a tool and I wouldn't want to promote him over more people than absolutely necessary.
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I always thought that too. I think at that point, promoting Paris was an intentional slap in the face to Kim by Janeway.
OTOH, I wouldn't put it past B&B to have Paris' promotion be a slap in the face to Garret Wang rather than ensign Kim….
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Yeah, you got right to the next point I was planning on making. That, and the fact that the "limited supplies" thing only came up when the plot required it, and was otherwise completely ignored. Like several other potentially compelling plot components that only required a little CONSISTENCY. Food supply. Maquis/Starfleet interaction. Homesickness. Cabin fever. Keeping the ship running.
The entire series could have been about all of those things. And it would have been great. Well, it kind of would have been Battlestar Galactica. But I'm pretty sure I could do with another of those anyway.
It would have been similar to Battlestar Galactica, only not as cynical or gritty. It's still Trek, after all.
It could have shown how the futuristic humanist man would have handled the situation and shown how he had evolved beyond how we would handle the situation today.
Yep.
Maybe tool is too strong a word, but he was always getting into trouble and acting like an idiot. Were there ever episodes where Kim saved the day? I think there were like, two?
Also, at one point Kim dies and the Kim we have for the rest of the series is a fake Kim, so maybe he was ineligible for promotion.
Is it wrong that in this hypothetical "good" Voyager I can see Janeway giving herself a brevet promotion to Admiral as they pick up alien stragglers and outcasts and ships for safety, company, resources, and tech on their way to the Alpha Quadrant, and making it awesome/stick?
"And yet, here I am with, with petaquads of information on a part of the galaxy hitherto unexplored by the Federation, also sorts of fancy new tech, a fleet of ships comparable to that of some of our allies, and oh, look at all these Borg cubes with X's through them painted on my nacelles."
Well that's because he was given the role of a captain which he clearly wasn't ready for at that point in his career. That's why they have all those ranks inbetween ensign and captain. It's hard to use that as an excuse to write him off as an effective officer forever when we know at some point he gets his shit together and becomes captain of the Rhode Island.
Ironically this involved setting a time delay on the detonation circuit, effectively turning the device into exactly what they should have used on the Array…I imagine that if Kim ever made the connection that his idea could have had him home in a week, if only he'd had it five years earlier, his head would explode.
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