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Legend of Korra: PANIC!!!! Episode 4 Is Uploaded!!!!
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I just want people to stop calling me stupid for not liking a plot twist in a fucking tv show.
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I'd say it fits right in thematically because Aang's entire story is about reconciling his own nature with that of the avatar, and he has always had to find his own path to the avatar state that fits within his ethos.
That's why he ran away and got trapped in the iceberg, that's why he had so much difficulty unlocking his chakras and the avatar state, that's why he had to come up with his own way of getting past the seemingly impassible barrier of achieving peace without killing the firelord. In the first situation he reacts by running away, in the second he tries to work through it but fails, in his final test he transcends the expectations of him and relies on his own strength, his connection to the spirit world, to overcome the situation.
They pretty much give all of this to you when Aang is learning to earthbend - it's not at all in his personality to confront directly. "Maybe there's another way... what if I came at the boulder from another angle?"
edit: this time travel post stuff is getting stupid. I know Rolo's post wasn't before mine because I reloaded twice before I saw it.
Stop seeing the world as flat. Fixes that right quick.
Firebenders put a lot of stock in personal merit. To the point that they went out of their way to kill dragons to prove that they have the biggest Firebending dick around to wave in people's faces. Their ritual contests take the form of dueling with fire to resolve matters of personal honor. Azula was praised in her youth for her excellent progress in her Firebending education and Zuko was treated with contempt and disgust for his awkward and fumbling attempts.
And people in Ozai's regime probably admired a warrior ethos.
Accomplished Firebending = Strong Martial Leadership.
Firebending makes Ozai a figurehead and adds to his royal stature. Remember, Azula believes in a literal Divine Mandate to rule. This means that personal merit can be taken as a proof of Royalty. (Both Azula and Zuko have used spat the word "peasant" as an insult, which is entirely a result of this Divine Mandate mentality.)
On a more pragmatic consideration, Ozai is a much more dangerous prisoner if he has access to his Firebending. It takes less of a security failure than it would with a non-Bender for him become a threat, particularly since he's a highly educated and seasoned fighter.
maybe bendland is akavir
really though they're just over the horizon from one another
the single greatest prank the air nomads ever pulled
the fire nation would have taken ba sing se five years into the hundred years war if they had just sailed west
See I agree with this. I think this whole learning energy bending idea works great for Aang's story but I think he should have had to seek it out. I don't think the Lion Turtle should have come to Aang and apparently mind-controlled him into getting on the his back.
And I don't like that the Lion Turtle's motivations are completely speculative which would not be an issue if it had been Aang that sought him out.
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i can see why some people aren't happy with the Lion Turtle showing up to provide easy resolution to Aang's whole pacifism colliding with his goal to stop Ozai thing
buuut, i loved the Lion Turtle. his very existence really gave a taste of how epic the mythos is outside of the avatar.
These are the episodes in which Aang direct guidance from the spirit world. Not even just talking to Roku, I mean he actually entered the spirit world during a time of emotional crisis or an emissary from the spirit world or spiritual master showed up to give him guidance.
"The Spirit World (Winter Solstice, Part 1)
"Avatar Roku (Winter Solstice, Part 2)"
"The Siege of the North, Part 1"
"The Siege of the North, Part 2"
"The Avatar State"
"The Swamp"
"The Library"
"The Guru"
"The Awakening"
"The Avatar and the Firelord"
"Sozin's Comet, Part 1: The Phoenix King"
"Sozin's Comet, Part 2: The Old Masters"
"Sozin's Comet, Part 3: Into the Inferno"
"Sozin's Comet, Part 4: Avatar Aang"
Those episodes, excluding the final four, are the foreshadowing for the final example. That's the whole point.
And of course no one mentioned energybending before because no one's done it since before the avatar even existed. That's the nature of the thing.
well if you put it on a globe, then both air temples are basically right next to each other
I say there is just a shit ton of ocean
Yeah, but I thought the treatment of the Spirit World is pretty facile. The fact that people used to bend the principle stuff of the Spirit Wold at the dawn of history is a pretty goddamn important cosmological point.
If we had been told about the history and been given some perspective on how their world is supposed to work, then it becomes a lot easier to swallow that a reincarnated demi-god could do this kind of thing.
We'd be, "Okay, this Avatar has been given all the powers he needs to solve all imbalances forever. Makes sense."
None of those episodes introduced a problem in the first minute that was resolved by a force that was not mentioned or unexplained until the last minute.
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why on earth would people living thousands of years later have any memory of it
the reason the lion-turtle remembers is because he was there
the lion-turtle is mysterious because he is a giant immortal fucking god-beast lion-turtle spirit-creature from before the dawn of humanity
his methods are not easy to parse
I don't really have a problem with the Lion Turtle being unexplained when it's an inherently mystical and mythological being. If they explained everything about "the spirit world" it would just be "the regular world".
actually nearly every single one of them did
I wonder if that'll come up
But he's just a animal that can bend. Like the Bison or dragons but much, much older and his actions are strange.
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Oh come on. Most of the screentime in the Spirit World was spent in plot exposition and they didn't spend any of it having Roku explain to Aang about this Really Cool Thing You Can Do.
Really?
And that's just if you're being lazy. We could've had Aang on some hallucinatory vision quest type of thing to make it all dramatic and to mark his passage into a more fully-realized Avatar. It could like represent his growth into adulthood and his responsibilities. You know, that "coming-of-age" thing.
Well aang had to either be shown how to energy bend, or be energy bent upon (depending on what you think the turtle thing did) before he could do it himself
So no I would assume korra should not be able to energy bend when she finally figures out the avatar state
I thought that an avatar could use all of her predecessors' abilities in the state
I was just on the wiki the other day
probably missing something
It is about philosophy and pretty alright
No that's right.
She should be able to energy bend.
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you might be right, I dunno
roku doesn't even know what the lion-turtle is, why would he know what spiritbending is
also the "growth into adulthood and his responsibilities" was ground covered by the entire rest of the series
the energy empire
I'm wondering if Amon will try to get her to go Avatar state so they can end the cycle for good.
I mean there are obvious problems with that plan namely:
Does Amon even know that fact?
How do you kill the avatar in avatar state, they are pretty powerful
But it seems like a thing that was mentioned a lot in Book 2 that never really came up again.
The same way you kill somebody who isn't in the avatar state, it's just way harder
They still have all their fleshy human weaknesses
Aang wants to learn about the avatar state and master it. He happens across a spirit guru who offers to help him. Problem and guide in the first few minutes of the show. At the end he sees a vision of Katara in danger. This makes sense in the context of the advice the spirit guide had been giving him since the start of the episode. Nothing comes at the last moment that is out of place.
Aang and his group gets seperated in the swamp. They see visions while in the swamp. Clearly this is not an ordinary swamp. As they get to the end, surprise! The reason for the mysterious vision in the obviously not ordinary swamp was because of a connection to the spirit world.
In the episode prior Aang had entered the avatar state, but had no control. He had entered it during a moment of extreme emotional turmoil. In the following episode an Earth Kingdom general tries to get him to enter the avatar state, but fails until he is forced into extreme emotional turmoil when Katara is threatened. I...don't see how this at all relates to your point. Maybe Roku said something to him at the end? And if that's the reason why you included this episode...I severely underestimated the amount of thought you put into this argument.
I could go on, but it is laughable how condescending you have been to Nightmarenny about this point while backing your own point with basically nothing.
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The teaser implies that he's just going to try to remove her powers anyway. It seems reasonable that no Bending means no Avatar state.
I have the feeling it won't be that easy because it'll turn out that the Avatar's immortal spirit is just made of sterner stuff. You can bend a paperclip. You don't bend a steel girder. Or calm a raging tempest. Or whatever hackneyed metaphor you want to use.
I saw a preview where it indicated if she got debended in the avatar state, then no more avatar ever. Just like dying in the avatar state.
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Well I think it will come down to
And of course whether or not he gets his hands on korra
Talk about being way off point. I was illustrating the vast degree of varience between different religious orders seperated by space and time. There are HUGE differences in various sects even within the same religions. I have no idea what sort of stereotypes you're going on about. In the extreme examples, I was referring specifically to the Ikko-Ikki and the Knights Hospitallers. Because, you know, this show has a lot of warriors/monkish types.
it's hard
I know you have trouble admitting when you're wrong