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[A Song of Ice and Fire, Books and Books+Show] Touch this thread and all shall be spoilt
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When he's talking to Renly, he simply says that, hey, I'll give you KL if you let me keep my head... and my position, if possible. Then, with Margarey, he's a little more involved - verbally sparring with her; sounding her out, seeing how smart she is. With Cat, he's passionate as soon as he walks through the door, then backs off to plant the seed and give back the bones.
Am I reading the scenes incorrectly? Has his character been shown consistently, and I'm just crazy?
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Yes. Maybe what's happening is
Also, almost as worrisome for departures, Jaqen
That second spoiler is actually from the book.
Strange. I had not thought that
maybe that's what he's saying
Actually, right after I posted that, it occurred to me that
I don't have confirmation on this or anything, but it makes a certain degree of sense.
Neal Stephenson
The official line from the Faceless is that
though I share your suspicion that this is not entirely true, and that the Many Faced God is the Other.
It's the Red God in particular this time because they were going to burn to death.
About Jaqen:
I don't think followers of the Many-Faced God necessarily have to know the ins and outs of all the religions in the world - just that death is always a part of them.
As for Brienne:
I believe you're right, that's a shame.
Maybe they'll just work that reaction into her conversations with Catelyn instead?
Considering how expensive fight scenes are, there must be some pretty good reason for it
The reason could just be "We don't want to make the audience wait three years to see Brienne prove herself in mortal combat"
Which seems like a not terrible reason, but the payoff, of following her for the three years before that scene takes place, would have been excellent.
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And they can still do that scene with a couple of evil random dudes. It's not as fun as shagwell, but probably a lot cheaper and easier.
But I loved the actor from the first season. Even without lines, he could convey an "all of you can go fuck yourselves" attitude and really managed to embody the Mountain I knew from the books.
Yeah, like I buy him as evil, but he looks middle-eastern and kind of unassuming, which is scary, but not the Mountain kind of scar. He kind of reminded me of count dooku, when he should remind me of like a giant wrestler. I mean I guess it shows how hard it is to be big and muscley at that height, Conan Stevens was a freak. Also the armour and chainmail made him look lanky, like it didnt give him any shoulders, also the hat, while fine on regular soldiers, looks downright Knights Who Say Ni on the new Mountain.
I think they could make him work, but I have a feeling that by the time more Mountain scenes come, they may just hire Conan again if he's done with Hobbit filming. At least thats what im hoping, especially with later fight scenes, as Conana Stevens is a trained stunt fighter and whatnot
But yeah, hopefully old gregor comes back next season. That'd be swell
Speaking of; I've been watching the Wire again and could really see Dominc West playing that part (Him or Mance Rayder strangely enough).
The responses you got all sucked. Here, in spoiler form, is what it is. It isn't that big of a deal. I'm describing it in detail, but I'm not going to actually spoil major events it relates to, not even in the spoiler.
Most of her spells are wicked evil shit that depend on her exploiting the power of aristocratic bodily fluids. Every time Stannis deposits a load, she births a Stannis shadow demon that does her and Stannis' will.
It made way more sense in the books. In the books, Davos and Mel do the boat thing much later. At that point, we already have vague knowledge of some sort of shadow demon that did some shit earlier, and assume it had something to do with Mel, but with very little detail on what it was or how it did what it did. So when Mel births one, it's filling in some pretty interesting details for the reader. But the problem here is that in the show, the previous event with the shadow demon hasn't happened yet. So ending the show with her birthing a demon just leaves you like, "eh?"
I assume that they are combining and reversing the shadow-demon events from the books. So likely in the next episode you'll get to see one or both of the things that this demon does.
As for Hodor, with the proper design, it isn't that tough to carry a decent weight on your shoulders. I've known some rather small dads to carry some rather large sons (not teens, but still) in one of those shoulder-chair hiking deals.
Yes. What they are doing is smushing things down pretty hard. In the book
I didnt like the change really as the book version was far more mysterious and would have worked better for the non book people.
But continuing the discussion: also a big point of the demon birth in the book was supposed to be a moment of "ah-ha, so that's what it was..." for the reader. Except in show, the previous event hasn't happened yet, so it's just a moment of "uh, what are they doing, and what is that supposed to be?"
In both the book and the show (where the scenes are quite identical), it is nevertheless a gritty moment of realization of just how much of a black sorceress Mel really must be.
Davos and Mel's argument is key here.
First, it's Davos saying "we're all a bit good and a bit bad, I'm trying to be as good as I can and all I know is I'm loyal to Stannis" vs. Mel's "nuh-uh, we're either good or evil, and I'm good because I serve the God of Light." This ties into a lot of what people debate about morality in the book itself, as well as differences in views of morality in modern life. From the reader/viewer's point of view, it would seem that Davos is mostly correct about everyone being a bit of both, and just trying in some way to live up to their decisions. Whereas Mel seems to be misguided if she thinks that a) everyone is just good or bad, and b) her religion makes her unquestionably good.
Then the argument moves to Davos' accusation of "serving the light but hiding in shadows" vs. Mel's rationalization that "shadows are the servants of light." Again IMO same deal here. Davos seems to have a good gut feeling about this. If this God of Light is what it is made out to be, how come Mel is always doing shit at night, and in secret, and in hiding, etc. Mel, on the other hand, has a religious rationalization for everything (this is even more evident in the books). She's right, in a way, shadows really are the servants of light and don't exist without it. But this seems to be a technical rationaliztion that doesn't defeat the general correctness of Davos' feelings. And this debate is greatly intensified by watching this supposed Servant of Light strip down and birth a bastard demon of darkness. Not to mention the fact that the whole reason Davos had to sneak her in was to get her past some ancient magic walls that were built to keep out evil spirits.
Also, in the book it is never explicit, but it is implied that Stannis is not entirely in control of his mind, and that Mel has some power over him, particularly at night, and that Stannis is actually not consciously aware of the fact that she has been sleeping with him. It is not like Stannis at all to cheat, and a promise of an embarrassing bastard son, like ones Robert had all over the place, would have been just another reason not to; it would not have been an enticement.
On the Littlefinger front I have no problem with the way he is being presented. I think him and Varys are perfectly done for the limited screen time they are getting.
Which is perfect for the character.
Anyone else get a vibe that Mel and the Sheep people witch that got burned at the funeral Pyre are similar? Remember how Dany's baby is described as when it came out? It strikes me as very similar to that thing I just saw Mel pop out. And while the show differed, in the book, didn't the Drogo getting blood magic done to him thing happen at night as well? Unless I am misremembering, oh well, I'll re-read it soon enough.
If I remember correctly didnt that witch also train at Asshai?
The folks over on censoros are not the most sophisticated of fans, I've found. I like ASOIAF because it isn't a standard fantasy story, full of cliches and tropes. But that's apparently what many of those folks there want. I find it incomprehensible.
Littlefinger is great because he, along with Varys, is the most effective player of the game of thrones. It's compounded all the more by the fact that he has the most humble of (noble) origins. He's basically the only example of a self-made man in Westeros. All the other potential examples (possibly Varys, most definitely Illyrio Mopantis) come from the Free Cities that, for whatever their issues, lack the feudal system that prevails in the Seven Kingdoms.
I agree with you that the show has been doing a good job showing all of his subtleties. I'm very interested to see what they do for his character in the next season.
This is how I feel about any Jon + Dany theories (and in a larger sense, the entire Jon Snow issue, even though I see the hints as much as anyone else).