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Frank's Concept Colosseum

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  • FANTOMASFANTOMAS Fland SudAméricaRegistered User regular
    awww, if theres ONE (or two) things I expected from a magma succubus, were nipples... is she from the prude part of hell?
    btw, Im still loving this thread.

  • zollmaniaczollmaniac Registered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    awww, if theres ONE (or two) things I expected from a magma succubus, were nipples... is she from the prude part of hell?
    btw, Im still loving this thread.

    But there does appear to be three hidden away. That's gotta award the prudish hell some points.

  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Thanks Fantomas! Update on those:

    bb3.jpg

    magmacuss2.jpg

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited April 2012
    Love the gross zit guy.

    Two things on the lava chick. Her lava boobs are sort of striking me as a weird confederate flag rash. I would increase the contrast, pick a "core" where the heat is highest and then fall off into orange as you get away from it.

    Second thing, her eyes. All of your eyes are super flat, left over from more anime style drawing. You are getting better at making characters with different eye shapes, but they are all on this weird flat plain. In this lighting situation, the underside of her lid would be catching light, (though maybe not as bright as here). In general, as you get more painterly, I think you need to make some more apparent choices about your eyes. If you want some cartoon stylized qualities, go for it, but I think you need to make it more decisive.

    frankcritlava.jpg

    I feel like when you get to hot girl (and people in general, but girls especially) You stop thinking of them as form and shape and start thinking of them as "hot girl" the quality of painting around the girl, and the quality of painting of zit guy is somehow ten leagues better than the girl. Don't worry about girl hotness over painting quality.

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  • kevindeekevindee Registered User regular
    I have to second what Iruka said. Love, love love the gross zit dude. Lava girl, I like less. She seems a lot less refined, and for me falls somewhere in between the cartoon-y and realistic. The lines are cartoon-y, the painting is realistic but not quite there yet. The face is the biggest detractor here, and I can't give much advice other than suggesting to either tighten up the linework, stylize it and go cartoon-y, or get more painterly, work the planes of the face in hard, and detail it out. If she's in a pit of lava, every angle on her face is going to count.

  • Angel_of_BaconAngel_of_Bacon Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Is an area of horrific scarring/searing magma/ground beef and shredded cheese nacho topping over one's nipples really more classy than just some regular, human style nipples?

    In my opinion- which you can take or leave- either the lava body patches thing should be integrated into the rest of the body's design in a more thought out fashion that looks more naturalistic than "PG-13 convenient", or just ditched entirely.

  • NicNic Registered User
    In my opinion- which you can take or leave- either the lava body patches thing should be integrated into the rest of the body's design in a more thought out fashion that looks more naturalistic than "PG-13 convenient", or just ditched entirely.

    Further this, but rather I suggest molten rock arms that expand at the forearm. Your characters look best when you exaggerate forms I think. You can do much better with the hot chick + horns + magma concept.
    Of course that's just a suggestion. You got the goods either way.

  • FugitiveFugitive Registered User regular
    The blister berserker has some cool things going on with it, it's just too clean at the moment. If the concept is for something kind of unsettling and grotesque, the skin is too smooth between the blisters, and the blisters themselves are a too compartmentalized. I would push it more by adding some clusters of blisters to break up the monotony of "here's a blister, here's a bigger blister". The blisters around the neck especially are just too uniform. I honestly thought it was a necklace at first glance.

  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    OK, you all gave me some really good feedback and here is my attempt at applying (most of) it.

    I plan on finishing these up soon, I'm not sure I've ever spent this long on one thing.

    bb4.jpg

    magmacuss3.jpg

    Also, a new one I'm starting. From one of the earlier thumbnails.

    bostorion_engine_room.jpg

    Thanks everyone for the critiques :D

  • Faded_SneakersFaded_Sneakers Registered User regular
    If the blisters had little blisterguy fetuses inside them soaking in hot blister juices ... but maybe thatwould be weird.

    Love what you're doing.

    Nothing to see here.
  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Ooh, that's a creepy idea.

    Thanks, Faded Sneakers @_@

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    F87 wrote: »
    Ooh, that's a creepy idea. Reminds me of this:

    Thanks, Faded Sneakers @_@

    Or of this:
    screenshot2012042611424.jpg

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  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    Yes, exactly.

    Here is a quick one before lunch. I'm trying to design a simple combat training droid that can be equipped with different non-leathal weapons. My plan is to make it as simple as possible while still being cool. Going to model it possibly.

    combat_droid.jpg

    I didn't worry much about the perspective yet, but do you guys think I chose the most interesting thumbnail out of the 3 there?

  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    I did some model sheet type drawings for the droid:

    combat_druid_left.jpg

    combat_druid_right.jpg

    Deathbot! (from tutorial on youtube)

    deathbot.jpg

    Could you guys take a look at my new website? (none of the images are correct/ready yet)
    I just wanted it to be simple and clean. http://www.f.oceansend.com/test/index.html

    Also, cross post of a question I have:
    I've heard from others that it's a good idea for a concept artist to be well versed in 3d art as well. I was wondering if you guys had any insight on how much I should try to learn and what sort of things I should create for my portfolio?

    I feel like I need to at least know how to model correctly and faster. Then learn how to texture, because I have yet to try that. As for what to include in my portfolio: A couple simple props (Crate, barrel, etc), a character or two, and maybe a creature or building? What's the best way to learn? Do tutorials until I feel comfortable enough to model my own things?

  • EncEnc FloridaRegistered User regular
    I like it (the website) a lot. Maybe make those image thumbnails a bit larger to give a browser a better idea of the range of your art at-a-glance?

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  • ProspicienceProspicience The Raven King DenvemoloradoRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Likin' the simple layout Frank. *snip* nevermind you obviously said that in the first sentence haha.

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  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Thanks guys. I'll probably make the thumbnails larger, good idea.

    Edit: Orc Shaman sketch!

    orc_shaman_sketch1.jpg

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  • FlayFlay Registered User regular
    Great sketch! The only problem that jumps out at me is that his left knee seems a little lower than it should be, and the ankle seems to be at an awkward angle.

  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Thanks, Flay. I need to rethink that leg. I lowered the knee a tad though as I worked on this today:

    orc_shaman.jpg

    Does this Orc seem "D&D" to you guys?

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  • HiggzHiggz Registered User regular
    It's doesn't look too D&D to me but what's wrong with D&D? :P

    The belt-thing looks very perfectly round, which is fine but it could look more interesting being a bit warped or weathered, along with the cape-thing behind him.
    Also, his empty hand looks off-set from the forearm. You might consder a more natural hand position.
    You might consider shortening the arms for a more balanced-looking form but I noticed that you enjoy large arms. Making them thicker wouldmake them look fitting.

    I took a few minutes to make a terrible example of what I mean here:
    Spoiler:

  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    That looks a lot better! Thanks, Higgz.

    Edit: Still fixing up the orc, but I've started this now as well:

    desolate_manor.jpg

    Still needs a lot of work.

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  • FANTOMASFANTOMAS Fland SudAméricaRegistered User regular
    It looks more like a WoW orc to me, as I recall from the AD&D compendium, orcs were pretty misserable, they had like 1d8 hitpoints, no bonuses or anything.

  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    That's not good. I wanted him to seem like a D&D orc. I based his proportions off this example:
    Spoiler:



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  • FANTOMASFANTOMAS Fland SudAméricaRegistered User regular
    Im sure I still have the monster compendium at home Ill look for the orcs and half orcs... but when you see the art they used for it, you wont be happy. I think the illustrator for that compendium is now making webcomics about geek furries.

  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Haha, that's pretty funny.

    I would rather not scrap this completely. If he looks like a WoW orc, I have to fix that somehow.

    A guard concept WIP:
    guard_concept.jpg

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  • HiggzHiggz Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    That looks pretty solid, bud.
    I notice in most of your work that you could really benefit from paying special attention to how you position and draw hands. Something that helps me is to take a few pages and use full-body reference pictures but just draw them from the forearm down through the hand. While you're doing it, look around at different artists' styles and see if you can imitate a few. I don't draw feet very well so I'm doing it the same thing over but with ankles and feet.

    P.S.: Drawing simple characters with giant emphasized hands forces you to form them in a way that looks balanced and functional.

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  • SeveredHeadSeveredHead Registered User regular
    good to see this thread is still going strong, i wish i worked half as hard as this.

  • Toji SuzuharaToji Suzuhara Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    I'd say the house has some perspective issues going on. Not that the perspective is executed wrong--'cause it's not. It's just designed ineffectively. The vanishing points for the building are too close together, so it looks really horizontally squashed. The horizon line looks a bit too high, too, because of the scale of the fence and the little post things looking like tiny figures walking up to this house on an incline. Also, it's not interacting very naturally with the surrounding landscape (in that the rest of the image doesn't have the too-close-together vanishing points problem, so it exacerbates the effect on the house. You could make them both match one way or the other and it'd be effective). The painting and drawing are really pretty, though, and props for starting with the construction and then building upon it.

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  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    I'd say the house has some perspective issues going on. Not that the perspective is executed wrong--'cause it's not. It's just designed ineffectively. The vanishing points for the building are too close together, so it looks really horizontally squashed. The horizon line looks a bit too high, too, because of the scale of the fence and the little post things looking like tiny figures walking up to this house on an incline. Also, it's not interacting very naturally with the surrounding landscape (in that the rest of the image doesn't have the too-close-together vanishing points problem, so it exacerbates the effect on the house. You could make them both match one way or the other and it'd be effective). The painting and drawing are really pretty, though, and props for starting with the construction and then building upon it.

    Oh man, thank you Toji! I could not figure out why I liked the house, but at the same time something just seemed really off. You're completely right about the squashed look from the VPs being too close. Also, I painted a simple background, then drew in my perspective lines for the house and sketched it out. Not the right order! :P I'm going to do it again and but this time give the perspective more care.

    SeveredHead - Thanks : )

    Edit: I learned a interesting new technique (sort of) and I did 2 quickies to test it out!

    environment_concept2.jpg

    environment_concept3.jpg

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  • Toji SuzuharaToji Suzuhara Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    Barren, mountainous snowscape and mock one-point perspective in the last one? Count me in.

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  • FlayFlay Registered User regular
    Oooh, that it a very interesting style. Where'd you learn that?

    The high contrast works really well, very graphic. It's a little hard to figure out how far away the snow in the background of the second image is though, it seems to blend in to the midground. Otherwise I like them a lot.

  • m3nacem3nace Registered User regular
    Very nice! Is it a lasso-tool type of deal or how'd you go about it?

  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    It is the Sparth Shape Technique : )

    Well, a very very simple version of it. Here is a full explanation: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=201403

  • wahaywahay Your Handicapped Hero Cincinnati, USARegistered User regular
    Awesome! I'm happy to find some other D&D art test entries here. Since I'm also participating I've given a lot of thought to it. Hope you don't mind if I go in depth with some critiques.
    F87 wrote: »
    orc_shaman.jpg
    Solid drawing! It's brimming with personality. The proportions are accurate to the reference.
    The skull's dome needs to be smaller, and his right arm looks unnaturally, rigidly posed. Based on Schindehette's crits, here's what I can suggest:
    -Let the viewer know why he is a shaman by
    • Artifacts
    • Physical handicap
    • Costume

    Right now I would guess that he's a warrior. He looks muscular, has excellent posture, and the closest shaman element he has is a skull, but it's presented as if it were a pauldron—typical warrior faire. Don't give him a weapon. If anything, look at Keun Chul's entry on the art-order page: it was a bitchin' staff with an animal spine on the top! On a tiny nitpick, my entry had fur trimming that was pushing white, but I should have kept it more drab. Don't make this guy look clean!



    F87 wrote: »
    A guard concept WIP:
    guard_concept.jpg

    This guard, like the orc, is a great drawing. It's a cohesive design. But I wouldn't associate this with the references for the art test.

    Here are some notes I jotted down when I was reference-hunting:
    Concerning the Nomadic Soldier:

    •Lengthy, tall forms
    -Right angles
    -Occasional diagonals.
    •Plating, including long fabric
    •Eclectic colours
    •Fur, fabric, rarely leather
    •Layers
    -Warmth + aeration
    -Mobility
    •Minority/guest element: pattern
    -Pale skin
    -Horse?
    -Symmetry

    Look up Mongolian and nomadic cultures. If this doesn't read as nomad you need to tweak it. Based on the only two coloured references we received, these guys are supposed to look a little Goodwill. This guy looks too classy to be nomad, with his limited colour pallet and awesome shoes.

    Your biggest problem, in short, is that your designs are too good. :P

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  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    @Wahay - Thank you so much for the in depth feedback! :) You are definitely considering aspects of these designs that I'm not. I didn't know about the artorder blog either, thanks for that as well! You have inspired me to start over with these!

  • wahaywahay Your Handicapped Hero Cincinnati, USARegistered User regular
    F87 wrote: »
    @Wahay - Thank you so much for the in depth feedback! :) You are definitely considering aspects of these designs that I'm not. I didn't know about the artorder blog either, thanks for that as well! You have inspired me to start over with these!

    Thanks! If you don't have an account on WIPnation, that'd be a good place to continue as well. (check out the custom tag "ao art test")

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  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Awesome, great info! :) After looking through about 80 other shaman entries, I'm not feeling too good about my newer sketch. I need to take a break from that.

    Here is a new painting I'm starting! I did a handful of thumbs and sketches to get to this point and I'm pretty happy with it so far.

    defiance_3.jpg

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  • MustangMustang Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    I'm a fan of your work Frank, but I think pushing your saturation levels up and having a wider range of values could really help making your art pop.

    Here's a quick and dirty balancing job in PS.
    frankyx.jpg

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Edit: Wahay's explanation on the next page is much better, but I'll leave my stuff her.
    Spoiler:

    Edit: If I could quickly add one other observation. In your thread I see many pictures of people, and they're typically doing one of two things, (though there are one or two exceptions) Standing or Brandishing, square on their two feet, there isn't any real action happening in your other character centric drawings as there is with this one. What I mean is that it appears that you are avoiding drawing pictures such as this one, with motion and action. This may be an area for improvement.

    And please understand I'm saying these things from lack of experience and observation only, so please don't be offended :O

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