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  • Giggles_FunsworthGiggles_Funsworth Paranoiac Bay Area SprawlRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    adytum wrote: »
    msh1283 wrote: »

    So I posted this on Facebook and my Tea Party Uncle jumped in with a link about how the economy in Argentina collapsed due to over-taxation, responded with this, anyone have any thoughts/better links to number/etc.?

    I'd be interested to see the link he posted? Because that's not what caused Argentina's previous (or current) financial crisis..

    Heck, if anything it was a lack of tax revenue that contributed to the previous crisis.

    Yeah my bad: http://www.historyofnations.net/southamerica/argentina.html

    I addressed that too after I expelled my initial rage at his support for gouging students with higher interest rates.
    Me wrote:
    Uncle *****, looked at your link, I'm assuming you were referring to the part where it said that overtaxing led the economic collapse of Argentina? Thing is, I'm not seeing that being backed up any place else, and I'm actually seeing the opposite more than a few places. Their debt increased drastically because of diminished tax revenue, not overtaxing, combined with austerity measures to fix the debt causing unemployment to skyrocket. It's actually very similar to what's been going on in Greece lately, especially the part about the diminished tax revenues being caused in part by massive tax evasion. Wikipedia has a good overall summary, can pull up a few more sources if you find it unacceptable.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_economic_crisis_(1999–2002)

    Where did you get that link? It's pretty far down the page if you Google "history of argentina" and it doesn't have any sources and seems factually incorrect in at least that instance.

    Critique is welcome, I'm not a fucking expert or anything. I did look a couple other places than Wikipedia just in case something was distorted but all of it seemed to point towards decreased tax revenue, rampant tax evasion, and poorly thought out austerity measures. Honestly have no idea how he found that link, as far as I can tell it's the only one on the internet that paints Argentina in a light that supports his views.

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  • adytumadytum Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    One look at that website says everything that needs to be said about its credibility.

    It's "sources" are a series of referrer links to Amazon listings for books about Evita.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    IIRc it also had something to do with them pegging their currency to the dollar

  • chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    Perhaps he subscribes to the theory that lowering taxes raises tax revenue? In which case, according to that "logic", high taxes caused a lack of tax revenue which hurt the country.

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  • adytumadytum Registered User regular
    Well, the reduced tax revenue was due to wholesale privatization of government-owned industries.

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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    But that makes no sense! Everyone knows that large business owners always do what is morally right for the good of the people and never conduct practices that only provide personably financial security.

    Everyone knows that!

    What are you? Some kind of communist nazi? Here to steal our gold and give it to the poor?

    Robin Hood was a criminal and should be in jail.
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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning Registered User regular
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Oh, Joe, this is why you are America's Favorite Uncle:

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/biden-obama-has-big-stick

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  • TheCanManTheCanMan Registered User regular
    Well, that's a mental image I could have done without.

  • TaramoorTaramoor Registered User regular
    Oh, Joe, this is why you are America's Favorite Uncle:

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/biden-obama-has-big-stick
    Speaking at a campaign event in New York on Thursday, Vice President Joe Biden attacked Mitt Romney over his foreign policy, and praised President Obama for his handling of foreign relations.

    “I promise you, the president has a big stick,” Biden said, “I promise you.”

    Biden was citing Theodore Roosevelt’s famous quote, “Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.”

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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Oh, Joe, this is why you are America's Favorite Uncle:

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/biden-obama-has-big-stick
    Speaking at a campaign event in New York on Thursday, Vice President Joe Biden attacked Mitt Romney over his foreign policy, and praised President Obama for his handling of foreign relations.

    “I promise you, the president has a big stick,” Biden said, “I promise you.”

    Biden was citing Theodore Roosevelt’s famous quote, “Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.”

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    "Flaccid."

    EDIT: I'm sorry.

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  • SicariiSicarii The Roose is Loose Registered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Oh, Joe, this is why you are America's Favorite Uncle:

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/biden-obama-has-big-stick
    Speaking at a campaign event in New York on Thursday, Vice President Joe Biden attacked Mitt Romney over his foreign policy, and praised President Obama for his handling of foreign relations.

    “I promise you, the president has a big stick,” Biden said, “I promise you.”

    Biden was citing Theodore Roosevelt’s famous quote, “Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.”

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    "Flaccid."

    EDIT: I'm sorry.

    Good to know our president is a show-er.

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  • override367override367 misogynist/MRA/socially irresponsible Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    msh1283 wrote: »

    So I posted this on Facebook and my Tea Party Uncle jumped in with a link about how the economy in Argentina collapsed due to over-taxation, responded with this, anyone have any thoughts/better links to number/etc.? It's hard to come up with sources with concrete numbers dating back that far.
    Spoiler:

    TL;DR: In 1970 a college degree from a UC cost 10% of what a young adult working at minimum wage for 30 hours per week would make in a year. Today it costs 220% of that, factoring for decreased buying power of a dollar, also minimum wage in California in 1970 equates to $11.37 today, factoring for decreased buying power, whereas minimum wage today has only climbed to $8/hr.; and my Uncle wants to raise the rates on loans after slashing education because it's an entitlement.

    Unless I'm mistaken you've made a pretty serious math error, you say that the minimum wage in 1970 was $11.37 and education was $1915 a year

    In one instance you've adjusted for inflation and in another you haven't

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava One day, I will be able to say to myself "I am beautiful and I am perfect just the way I am"Registered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Oh, Joe, this is why you are America's Favorite Uncle:

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/biden-obama-has-big-stick
    Speaking at a campaign event in New York on Thursday, Vice President Joe Biden attacked Mitt Romney over his foreign policy, and praised President Obama for his handling of foreign relations.

    “I promise you, the president has a big stick,” Biden said, “I promise you.”

    Biden was citing Theodore Roosevelt’s famous quote, “Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.”

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    "Flaccid."

    EDIT: I'm sorry.

    Cause that was what I needed first thing in the morning before my cuppa tea.

    I both hate and love all of you right now.

  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
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    Some days I just want to smack people with a rolled up newspaper. Or a phone book.
    A folding chair is looking like an attractive option right now too...
  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Marathon wrote: »
    Cispa passes the house.

    Edit: Crap, was this an appropriate thread?

    Won't pass the Senate, will get Vetoed even if it does. Republicans had to know this was going to happen. Why they want to make themselves look even more out of touch is beyond me.

    Senate has passed their own version of the bill, so the two will have to be hashed out. I think it will get to the president's desk based on that.

    Countdown to the veto.

    Some days I just want to smack people with a rolled up newspaper. Or a phone book.
    A folding chair is looking like an attractive option right now too...
  • Giggles_FunsworthGiggles_Funsworth Paranoiac Bay Area SprawlRegistered User regular
    msh1283 wrote: »

    So I posted this on Facebook and my Tea Party Uncle jumped in with a link about how the economy in Argentina collapsed due to over-taxation, responded with this, anyone have any thoughts/better links to number/etc.? It's hard to come up with sources with concrete numbers dating back that far.
    Spoiler:

    TL;DR: In 1970 a college degree from a UC cost 10% of what a young adult working at minimum wage for 30 hours per week would make in a year. Today it costs 220% of that, factoring for decreased buying power of a dollar, also minimum wage in California in 1970 equates to $11.37 today, factoring for decreased buying power, whereas minimum wage today has only climbed to $8/hr.; and my Uncle wants to raise the rates on loans after slashing education because it's an entitlement.

    Unless I'm mistaken you've made a pretty serious math error, you say that the minimum wage in 1970 was $11.37 and education was $1915 a year

    In one instance you've adjusted for inflation and in another you haven't

    Both are adjusted so as to be easily comparable with current numbers. In 1970 money that would have been $1.65-$2.00 and $320 a year. Unless I fucked up? I did this all at like three in the morning and I haven't slept since then either so...

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Some days I just want to smack people with a rolled up newspaper. Or a phone book.
    A folding chair is looking like an attractive option right now too...
  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning Registered User regular
    more liek Barack Failbama, amirite

  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Barack the Islamic shock Super-failama No-bama.

    Some days I just want to smack people with a rolled up newspaper. Or a phone book.
    A folding chair is looking like an attractive option right now too...
  • VeritasVRVeritasVR Registered User regular

    People using their GI Bill to take classes from For-Profit schools drive me insane.

    No, people taking classing from For-Profit schools drive me insane.

    No, For-Profit schools drive me insane.

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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Good.

    Fuck military jackals.

    Assholes like that prey on young soldiers all the time and it pisses me off to know end.

  • CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    Marine who Facebook'd how much he would not follow President Obama's orders has been given the Big Chicken Dinner.

    Pubbies apparently now believe in freedom of speech and first amendment rights, even though servicemembers are subject to limited rights. The guy was told four times by a U.S. Attorney to stop, and refused to comply. He is also a 9 year sergeant, to which any marine will tell you speaks more about his character than anything.

    Minor clarification , he was given an other than honorable discharge. While the effects of an OTA discharge are usually the same as a Bad Conduct, a BCD can only be given after a conviction by a court martial and an OTA is an administrative punishment.

  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    So I posted this on Facebook and my Tea Party Uncle jumped in with a link about how the economy in Argentina collapsed due to over-taxation

    Well, it's always easy to support a position so long as you don't care about accuracy when it comes to the details.

    Argentina was left in total ruin by the former military dictatorship; that's not the sort-of mess you can expect to be cleaned-up within just a couple of decades (not without external help, anyway, which was never provided). Domingo Cavallo was able to curtail hyperinflation of Argentinian currency in the early 90s and restore some confidence & trading viability with the country, but the corruption in the government was never weeded-oit and Cavallo's solutions - while extremely good - were not a be-all, end-all medication. The wealthiest industries in Argentina were evading taxes, the country was borrowing heavily from the IMF and the loans were pissed away more or less as soon as they were received (in part because the IMF decided that no oversight was needed for the loans).

    By the time the IMF decided to look at De la Rua's books in 1999, the damage was already done. They recommended measures that did not work (slashing spending, hiking taxes, burning people's retirement savings, etc) because the country was in a fatal spiral of unemployment & GDP loss.

    It did not collapse because of 'over-taxation'.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Lost in TranslationRegistered User regular
    Carpy wrote: »
    Minor clarification , he was given an other than honorable discharge. While the effects of an OTA discharge are usually the same as a Bad Conduct, a BCD can only be given after a conviction by a court martial and an OTA is an administrative punishment.

    Yeah, but using the phrase "Big Chicken Dinner" is just so fucking awesome.

    Although it seems like we military folks need to remain apolitical, at least when we are representing ourselves as soldiers (Being plainclothed at a political rally without identifying yourself isn't representing the military, but the entirety of your Facebook page is), I have to say I am very happy to see these dumbasses get the boot. It's the kind of disorder that has spread like a cancer through the ranks that this sitting President is somehow less deserving of the Oath of Enlistment we all took, and it makes me sick.

    Once the lifting of DADT and the testing of women in combat arms took effect, you could see the bigots go nuts. As far as I'm concerned, their separatist nature and exclusionary social exercises went against the very core of what is supposed to be the military at large, and I'll be glad to see them gone (even though I myself will be hitting the dusty trail after my ETS or medical board).

    I applaud President Obama of wringing out these divisive elements in the military, and as well as bringing our troops back from Iraq and, soon, Afghanistan.

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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    Giggles_Funsworth, I'd be really interested to read your uncle's reply.

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  • Captain MarcusCaptain Marcus Right here in River CityRegistered User regular
    I'm not sure if this is the right thread (would the presidential election one be better?), but does anyone have any thoughts on the recent student loan bill?

    The House has passed their own version of the bill to approve student loan interest staying the same, but takes money from an emergency fund to pay for it. The Democrats' bill uses the closure of a tax loophole to pay for their bill.

    Now the Republicans are accusing the Democrats of hating students for not passing their version of the bill.

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Carpy wrote: »
    Minor clarification , he was given an other than honorable discharge. While the effects of an OTA discharge are usually the same as a Bad Conduct, a BCD can only be given after a conviction by a court martial and an OTA is an administrative punishment.

    Yeah, but using the phrase "Big Chicken Dinner" is just so fucking awesome.

    Although it seems like we military folks need to remain apolitical, at least when we are representing ourselves as soldiers (Being plainclothed at a political rally without identifying yourself isn't representing the military, but the entirety of your Facebook page is)

    He's actually entirely free to voice his opinion on Obama's policies on Facebook. I did as much with Bush. It's shit like this:
    As an active Marine I say, 'Screw Obama' and I will not follow orders from him.

    That gets you kicked out.

    Edit: But as a supporter of the Tea Party I am sure he'll be thrilled to enter the free market where he'll have the chance to work for an employer who, should he say disparaging things about and insist he will ignore orders from, won't even bother with the medical check as he's tossed out the front door.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    I'm not sure if this is the right thread (would the presidential election one be better?), but does anyone have any thoughts on the recent student loan bill?

    The House has passed their own version of the bill to approve student loan interest staying the same, but takes money from an emergency fund to pay for it. The Democrats' bill uses the closure of a tax loophole to pay for their bill.

    Now the Republicans are accusing the Democrats of hating students for not passing their version of the bill.

    More specifically the GOP takes money from health care (for women, natch).

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    The GOP must think women aren't college students.

    My commander is fully aware that when the GOP says they "support the troops," it means they pray for them. They'll never put their money whre their mouth is.

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Marine who Facebook'd how much he would not follow President Obama's orders has been given the Big Chicken Dinner.

    Pubbies apparently now believe in freedom of speech and first amendment rights, even though servicemembers are subject to limited rights. The guy was told four times by a U.S. Attorney to stop, and refused to comply. He is also a 9 year sergeant, to which any marine will tell you speaks more about his character than anything.

    What does him being a sergeant after 9 years mean? I though lifer sergeants where the backbone of the US Army.

    If he was a corporal I would understand it.

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Marine who Facebook'd how much he would not follow President Obama's orders has been given the Big Chicken Dinner.

    Pubbies apparently now believe in freedom of speech and first amendment rights, even though servicemembers are subject to limited rights. The guy was told four times by a U.S. Attorney to stop, and refused to comply. He is also a 9 year sergeant, to which any marine will tell you speaks more about his character than anything.

    What does him being a sergeant after 9 years mean? I though lifer sergeants where the backbone of the US Army.

    If he was a corporal I would understand it.

    Barring abnormal circumstances he should at least be staff sergeant by now.

    Hell, I screwed up and sat on E-4 for 6 years and will still probably have E-6 at 9 years.

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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Yeah, being in the military that long and only being a normal sergeant speaks volumes. You have to actually work at being worthless if you cannot make staff sergeant in that time being (barring extenuating circumstances).

    But usually the individual is worthless as a soldier.

  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    Barring something like an article 15.

    But screwing up once is way more understandable than just 9 years of, at best, mediocrity.

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  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    What's the highest someone would reasonably reach in that amount of time with little to 'medium' amount of combat?

  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    Magus` wrote: »
    What's the highest someone would reasonably reach in that amount of time with little to 'medium' amount of combat?

    If they're anything like the Navy E-7 should be entirely feasible. Not necessarily expected, but within the grasp of anyone determined to climb the ranks.

    E-6 should occur naturally enough inside that time if a person puts in the minimal effort to rise of the lazy and short termers.

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    E-5.

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  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    And what was this guys rank? Sorry, I'm bad at military.

  • CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    I don't know what his mos is, but in some fields promotion is far more tightly controlled, like the infantry, than most of the Marines. When I made corporal the same promotion for for grunts required essentially an extra two years time in grade. So it's not inconceivable that he was only a sergeant after 9 years with out an NJP, but he would have had to have such continued shitty pft, rifle, and fit rep score that it would fall under unusual circumstances. There's also the possibility that he was selected for staff sergeant, but was at the bottom of the list and wouldn't have been promoted until early fall, right before they make the next years selections.

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