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[Dota 2] Nyx Assassin, Keeper of the Light, and Visage this week, and straight to CM.

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  • undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User
    fuck me viper is so good in pubs

    im turning into a pub stomper oh no

    fucking sucks that like 10 of my games don't exist because everyone left after two people ragequit early or something

    edit: also i want to play all the new heroes, too arsed to find wc3 discs though. new ui for dota2 looks dope though.

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  • SkabSkab Registered User regular
    nealcm wrote: »
    i admit song of the siren seems to be a cool as hell ultimate and makes for some funny shenanigans

    but all i want to do is rush radiance on every character, page

    all i want to do is play spectre and phantom lancer

    Whatever you do, do not look at todays blog update.

    http://blog.dota2.com/2012/04/our-force-comes/

    Yes, that. Don't look at it.

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  • undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User
    okay in game and its confirmed

    dope ui

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  • mtsmts Registered User regular
    yea it is pretty nice. like new courier bits. though couldn't figure out how to get him to deliver with out taking control of him

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  • IncognitoEsqIncognitoEsq TexasRegistered User regular
    can you use it to deliver without controlling it? i thought the UI bobble was just to show where it was going to avoid confusion

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  • undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User
    yeah the new courier stuff is just presentational, giving you some more information

    still have to issue commands to the donkey to get it to do stuff though

    in addendum: fuck leavers

    was having a nice game as leoric, and our team's shadow demon rage quits after dying twice to huskar top

    its like, man its huskar you might die early but stick it out! and then that made us do a 3v5 for a while but we eventually were like "welp with three dudes and only one cc, we aint killing this huskar"

    sucks

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  • IncognitoEsqIncognitoEsq TexasRegistered User regular
    hey you know what's cool

    a guy picking pudge and then making silencer go mid so he can duo top with spectre.

    thanks dota guy i appreciate your pro strats

    on the bright side, new icons and ui are cool. i just wish it displayed K/D/A on not widescreen monitors, i don't know why they decided to make it not

  • undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User
    i'm on 16:10 and its in the lower right for me?

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  • IncognitoEsqIncognitoEsq TexasRegistered User regular
    i'm on 4:3 and i guess i must be blind and didn't notice that it's still up in the top right corner. ignore me i'm an idiot. how about them video games

  • hadokenhadoken Registered User regular
    hey you know what's cool

    a guy picking pudge and then making silencer go mid so he can duo top with spectre.

    thanks dota guy i appreciate your pro strats

    on the bright side, new icons and ui are cool. i just wish it displayed K/D/A on not widescreen monitors, i don't know why they decided to make it not

    Pudge at top lane can cut into trees and trap enemies, easy kills. Maybe he wasn't confident enough?

    That's one of the reasons i am hesitant to give pudge a go, I'm not sure I could win at mid and everyone else would get mad if I sidelane :(

  • PeewiPeewi Enchanted, I'm sure Registered User regular
    mts wrote: »
    yea it is pretty nice. like new courier bits. though couldn't figure out how to get him to deliver with out taking control of him

    Just press the button on the right while it's not delivering to someone else.

    3DS code: 3480-2527-9521 Diablo 3: Peewi#1575
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  • SagaxusSagaxus Registered User
    hadoken wrote: »
    hey you know what's cool

    a guy picking pudge and then making silencer go mid so he can duo top with spectre.

    thanks dota guy i appreciate your pro strats

    on the bright side, new icons and ui are cool. i just wish it displayed K/D/A on not widescreen monitors, i don't know why they decided to make it not

    Pudge at top lane can cut into trees and trap enemies, easy kills. Maybe he wasn't confident enough?

    That's one of the reasons i am hesitant to give pudge a go, I'm not sure I could win at mid and everyone else would get mad if I sidelane :(

    yeah our pudge was missing hooks on dudes standing still about five feet away from him, no way he was PrO-rAd enough to do things like cut down trees or land hooks or not be a massive jerk in teamchat.

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  • hadokenhadoken Registered User regular
    I'd say poor guy, but if he was being a jerk then to hell with him.

    I'm gonna give pudge a go, hopefully I won't lose the game for the team.

  • nealcmnealcm Registered User regular
    just play pudge!!!

    take it from ms. frizzle in the magic school bus!!!

    TAKE CHANCES

    MAKE MISTAKES

    GET MESSY

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  • MrGrimoireMrGrimoire Registered User regular
    The only way to learn a champ is to try them and accept that you will be a baddy for the first couple of games.

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  • SeveredHeadSeveredHead Registered User regular
    i really like the new ui, and a lot of the items look better, like the drum of endurance actually looks like a fucking drum!! but like the headdress looks weird, just gonna have to get used to these new thingys.

    i also really like the new lion, people say he looks ugly but come on guys he is a DEMON witch he had to look more bad ass, anyways im sure they will have the old skin available when the game comes out.

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  • Undead MonkeyUndead Monkey Registered User regular
    The thing about Pudge, as opposed to any other hero, is you are expected by your team to land hooks every. single. time. It's like, there is no time to practice with him - you picked Pudge, you land hooks. Period.

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  • stimtokolosstimtokolos Registered User regular
    The thing about Pudge, as opposed to any other hero, is you are expected by your team to land hooks every. single. time. It's like, there is no time to practice with him - you picked Pudge, you land hooks. Period.

    Well yeah, the unfortunate thing is he is pretty much a useless git unless you're hitting hooks.

  • MrGrimoireMrGrimoire Registered User regular
    I tried Pudge in a bot game and wow, landing those hooks is hard! There's so many things that will get in the way. And then there's the risk of hitting the wrong champ.

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  • P10P10 Registered User regular
    pudge isn't useless if you can't hit hooks (unless you are talking literally 0% accuracy, and even then)

    run at people and get into melee range and cc them between rot and dismember. who cares if you die, as long as you get flesh heap strength, it was worth it. and then every time you do hit a hook it's pretty much a guaranteed kill.

    pudge is not that hard to play.

  • valiancevaliance Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    valiance wrote: »
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    I need to find some other characters to play in real games than Veno...he's the only one I feel comfortable playing against real players. Any suggestions for some other good pushers? I've played Shadow Shaman, and enjoy him as well, so I'll probably start playing him more.

    Leshrac's Diabolic Edict eats towers
    Defiler's Death Prophet's ult is great against towers
    Furion's creeps.
    Chen and Enchant creeps from the jungle
    Warlock's ult.

    Fixed a HoN name >.>


    Lycan and Lone Druid are also good pushers, as well as broodmother with her spiders/insatiable hunger and enigma with his conversions. Beastmaster helps mid game pushes with his aura.

    That's gonna be a problem for me. damnit! I was unsure on that one...
    I know when I think of a female, the first thing I think of is a thin, agile, attractive girl (Arianny Celeste <3). The female barbarian from Diablo 3 isn't exactly next on that list either. There probably is some small sexism involved considering the hero designers are mostly male. Comes with the territory I guess.

    HoN does have a female Hammerstorm though. I AM THE GINGER AVENGER! I don't even use regular Hammerstorm anymore.
    Would be totes neat for some representation of body types that aren't just thin waisted big boobed ladies but this is the fantasy genre soooo

    That's fair, and I certainly think of human females the same way. But since this is a fantasy game, though, there are no limitations on race. When you have a hero who is a giant scorpion, anything is possible.

    There is certainly no reason why, say, Alchemist couldn't have been a female gnome riding an ogre, or C-Phant couldn't have been a female elephant. It all just smacks of lack of imagination on part of the developers.

    yeah this :^: we'll see where they go after ports are done, and if (as in HoN) we get genderswitched cosmetic avatars. I imagine we will.

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  • mtsmts Registered User regular
    really need to get a good item plan down. Since I have been learning Lina

    i normally start with

    tangos
    healing salve
    2 circlets

    then i end up picking up a couple bracers, grab a magic stick/wand and i usually work towards getting a perserverance, but that after that i get stumped.
    wondering if i should swap out a circlet for a mantle and an iron branch? i think i would have enough to start with for that.

    i usually try to save up for bloodstone or orchids, but that never seems to happen.

    any suggestions?

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  • CorriganXCorriganX Registered User regular
    Since you're a squishy caster, force staff is always a good choice as well. Gives you more mobility and allows escapes, or catching up to people, increasing your killing ability.

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  • valiancevaliance Registered User regular
    mts wrote: »
    really need to get a good item plan down. Since I have been learning Lina

    i normally start with

    tangos
    healing salve
    2 circlets

    then i end up picking up a couple bracers, grab a magic stick/wand and i usually work towards getting a perserverance, but that after that i get stumped.
    wondering if i should swap out a circlet for a mantle and an iron branch? i think i would have enough to start with for that.

    i usually try to save up for bloodstone or orchids, but that never seems to happen.

    any suggestions?

    you're a support/ganker. so if your team doesnt have wards or a courier, you need to help get that. so get the courier or a set of observer wards and you've got 400ish gold left. I'd say get 1 tango, 1 health pot, 2 mana pots, and 2 gg branches

    so: wards/courier, tango, health pot, 2 mana pots, 2 gg branches = 596 gold

    try to lane with someone who has a point and click stun that you can combo with your difficult to hit stun

    then grab some kind of boots: arcane boots or power treads

    if you're having trouble living midgame bracers are a nice stopgap

    then blink dagger--blink in drop your stun/wave/ult combo on their lowest hp hero/carry.

    if you cant get blink dagger then force staff is a good support item with all kinds of great uses.

    if you're rolling in dough after blink, scythe of vyse is always welcome.

    **if you're absolutely stomping and can get it early enough, dagon can be hilarious. pew pew. but that applies to basically any hero who can get the 2800 fast enough.

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  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    Circlets are not the most cost efficient starting stats. You can switch them out for branches and gauntlets, then make a magic wand as well which will help you gank. If you really want to get that bloodstone (which is kind of a waste on Lina) you can build arcane boots first then break them up later. It'll help with mid game mana problems. Or if you've got the money get a point booster and a void stone.

    The thing about this type of int hero (Lina, Lion, CM, and a few others) is that their mana problems are deceptive and the type of game you're playing needs to be accounted for. They actually have pretty good starting int and really good int gains. So even though they have a lot of active spells and have mana trouble for the first 10-15 minutes of a game, after 25 minutes their natural int gain starts to make up for it. Items like bloodstone are complete overkill. There is just no possible way for those heroes to actually use that much mana and regen. If you get a really good start and get a lot of charges it can be useful as a free buyback, but there are other things you could spend your money on.

    There are only two heroes in the game that can actually use bloodstone's mana regen to its full potential. They are Storm Spirit and Leshrac. Old bloodstone, when it used to get extra hp regen as well with charges, was core on Krob and Necro, but even they don't need it anymore. But it does have a pretty good buildup. And if you get that soul booster early it can actually solve your mana and hp regen problems as well as give you a lot of extra hp and mana, so it's not a terrible item to get.

    At least you're not rushing aghs or something.

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  • Undead MonkeyUndead Monkey Registered User regular
    So, I can't think of a good way to map my keys to allow for item use, and with my gargantuan freak hands, using alt or shift or ctrl in conjunction with letters is hard. Why I can't use spacebar+key or tab+key is beyond me. As of right now, I stay away from item dependent heroes (blink dag) for specifically this reason. Or, if I do play them, I build them wrong. :( I had this exact same problem in HoN, and my current Dota 2 layout pretty much mimics the default HoN layout (it's what I cut my teeth on).

    Anyhow, is anyone else in the same boat? Have you come up with a good mapping scheme for items? If not, any good multi-button mice worth checking out?

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  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    zxcv, or some number keys if you don't need the unit slots.

    you can also just use space for an item slot.

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  • Undead MonkeyUndead Monkey Registered User regular
    Doing some research on it, and the Nostromo looks interesting. Nice and ergonomic. I always thought those kinds of gaming accessories were a bit silly, but desperate times and all that.

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  • VicVic Registered User regular
    I have my items mapped for 1-6, main hero as F1 and other units as F2. Those two unit hotkeys are enough to manage pretty much any hero with creeps that is not Chen. Took some time to get used to, but it works.

  • Corp.ShephardCorp.Shephard Registered User regular
    It's far more important to have item slots rather than command groups as a general rule. Use the number keys!

    I run with 1234CV for my six items. I do really miss my command groups but I've assigned them to zx for some command group control. It's a weak setup currently: for most summons/creeps their essential abilities are located at Q-W, which is under the same finger governance as Z-X. Maybe I should try F-G for command groups...?

    I've considered buying an MMO-style mouse at a friend's suggestion. Having like 6 additional buttons on the mouse would be nice, but I feel like the keyboard can handle it.



  • 3clipse3clipse Registered User regular
    So, I can't think of a good way to map my keys to allow for item use, and with my gargantuan freak hands, using alt or shift or ctrl in conjunction with letters is hard. Why I can't use spacebar+key or tab+key is beyond me. As of right now, I stay away from item dependent heroes (blink dag) for specifically this reason. Or, if I do play them, I build them wrong. :( I had this exact same problem in HoN, and my current Dota 2 layout pretty much mimics the default HoN layout (it's what I cut my teeth on).

    Anyhow, is anyone else in the same boat? Have you come up with a good mapping scheme for items? If not, any good multi-button mice worth checking out?

    I also have gigantic yeti troll hands! The setup that works for me is:

    Abilities 1-3: Q, W, E
    Ult: R
    Abilities 4-5: T, Y
    Items: A, S, D, Z, X, C laid out in a grid corresponding to their slot in my inventory
    Stop: F
    Attack: V

    Everything else default. Works great for me. F/V takes some getting used to, but my brain unmapped attack/A and stop/S a long time ago because I played with grid in SC2.

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  • Undead MonkeyUndead Monkey Registered User regular
    I will have to try some of these out. Thank you. :)

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  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    I heard Merlini might be getting back into dota 2.

    All you Zeus fanboys better get ready for the best Zeus player of all times!

    (He probably won't play much Zeus.)

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  • undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User
    dendi is good enough for me

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  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    Call me back when Dendi gets a hero named after him.

    Or did he already? I don't think so.

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  • übergeekübergeek Registered User regular
    Page- wrote: »
    I heard Merlini might be getting back into dota 2.

    All you Zeus fanboys better get ready for the best Zeus player of all times!

    (He probably won't play much Zeus.)

    Rumor has it Sayuri will be with him. I saw the two of them, Puppy, TobiWan and...Light of Heaven playing a few nights ago.

    EDIT I'm sorry, was there a rename to Queen of Page- and I missed it? =)

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  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    I really hope the fun names make it into dota 2 in some form.

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  • mtsmts Registered User regular
    Page- wrote: »
    Circlets are not the most cost efficient starting stats. You can switch them out for branches and gauntlets, then make a magic wand as well which will help you gank. If you really want to get that bloodstone (which is kind of a waste on Lina) you can build arcane boots first then break them up later. It'll help with mid game mana problems. Or if you've got the money get a point booster and a void stone.

    The thing about this type of int hero (Lina, Lion, CM, and a few others) is that their mana problems are deceptive and the type of game you're playing needs to be accounted for. They actually have pretty good starting int and really good int gains. So even though they have a lot of active spells and have mana trouble for the first 10-15 minutes of a game, after 25 minutes their natural int gain starts to make up for it. Items like bloodstone are complete overkill. There is just no possible way for those heroes to actually use that much mana and regen. If you get a really good start and get a lot of charges it can be useful as a free buyback, but there are other things you could spend your money on.

    There are only two heroes in the game that can actually use bloodstone's mana regen to its full potential. They are Storm Spirit and Leshrac. Old bloodstone, when it used to get extra hp regen as well with charges, was core on Krob and Necro, but even they don't need it anymore. But it does have a pretty good buildup. And if you get that soul booster early it can actually solve your mana and hp regen problems as well as give you a lot of extra hp and mana, so it's not a terrible item to get.

    At least you're not rushing aghs or something.

    yea i tend to play her more as lane control/ganker/taking out overextenders and less support like, more so since i definitely don't have the knowledge to support well.

    i am not set on the bloodstone, the only reason i said that is that itseems like every build i read has that as a core item for her and i tend to follow builds. ideally i want some better early mid game mana and health regen after i use my initial stock of tangos/salve though

    i do like the power treads and usually grab those if i can. but i feel like i need that regen

    surprisingly, i don't have that much trouble hitting her stun. maybe will try grabbing force staff. maybe
    start
    tango iron branch gauntlet, magic wand

    then grab perserverance ,and power treads/arcane or force staff then blink dagger

    then upgrade to something

    maybe grab ring of aquila or basilus early?
    does th emana burn of the diffusal blade come off me or the target? cause that seems good

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  • Dac VinDac Vin SPECIAL DELIVERY Registered User regular
    I'm not sure I get Pugna. He's the favourite of almost everyone but I can't get over his extreme squishiness, more so than other squishy heroes like Enchantress. Is there a real trick to him other than set the ward in the woods and watch Outworld Destroyer and his merry caster friends gets fried by it?

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  • undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User
    pugna is great, but his squishiness is his downside. his strength gain is 1.0 i think? so he really isn't ever going to bulk up.

    but! his spells make up for this if you can exploit good positioning. i dunno. he looks cool so!

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