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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Your bio is at least as funny as anything I have ever written about myself.

    Basically, we should all have Dave Barry write our bios.

    Also, wooo, you go girl!

    ElJeffe on
    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am not!"
    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
  • AmaliaAmalia Registered User regular
    Congratulations, Quoth!!

    Sometimes I blog. Other times I tweet. But I'm always writing. (and so is that other Amalia)

    Forged by Fate, March 5, 2013! (And it's on Goodreads!)
  • WankWank Registered User regular
    Congrats Quoth, you are almost too cool for school !

    Also, here is another flash if anyone would like to read 150 weird words.
    Spoiler:

    Wank on
  • joshgotrojoshgotro Bloat much? Registered User regular
    Looking at TWB chat thread from January 2007. Nostalgia. I still have most of the shit I wanted to write that year in this house somewhere.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    So what's the maximum reasonable length for a single scene? I'm writing a segment right now that is basically an extended action sequence that, for thematic reasons, I would like to keep break-free, but it's pushing 6000 words. If that would make most people's eyeballs explode, I can probably force a break in there somewhere, but I'm trying to avoid dulling the tension. Thoughts?

    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am not!"
    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    That sounds WAY too long, but who knows, it may be awesome. I'd say no more than 2000 words, but that's a sort of arbitrary figure.

    “Hic non defectus est, sed cattus minxit desuper nocte quadam. Confundatur pessimus cattus qui minxit super librum istum in nocte Daventrie, et consimiliter omnes alii propter illum. Et cavendum valde ne permittantur libri aperti per noctem ubi cattie venire possunt.”
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  • geardropsgeardrops Registered User
    I went to Disneyland last weekend. Sprained ankle, bruised fist, bloodied knuckles, chipped tooth, banned for life.

  • geardropsgeardrops Registered User
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    So what's the maximum reasonable length for a single scene? I'm writing a segment right now that is basically an extended action sequence that, for thematic reasons, I would like to keep break-free, but it's pushing 6000 words. If that would make most people's eyeballs explode, I can probably force a break in there somewhere, but I'm trying to avoid dulling the tension. Thoughts?

    Sometimes pausing a scene at a tense moment (like after a dun-dun-dunnn kind of line) can help increase the tension instead of ruining it. Makes the reader linger on that thought, and go "Oh snap, must read moar!" Depends on how it's done, ofc.

  • liquiddarkliquiddark Registered User
    That sounds like the best Disney weekend of all time.

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  • WankWank Registered User regular
    Semifinals for the ABNA contest again :D

  • Chronos21Chronos21 Registered User regular
    Wank wrote: »
    Semifinals for the ABNA contest again :D

    Congrats!

    Sorry I haven't finished the book you sent me yet. School is finished forever as of tomorrow, so I'll get it done soon. Good so far!

  • HarrierHarrier Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    So what's the maximum reasonable length for a single scene? I'm writing a segment right now that is basically an extended action sequence that, for thematic reasons, I would like to keep break-free, but it's pushing 6000 words. If that would make most people's eyeballs explode, I can probably force a break in there somewhere, but I'm trying to avoid dulling the tension. Thoughts?
    What do you mean 'a single scene'? That could take up anything from a single paragraph to an entire chapter.

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  • AmaliaAmalia Registered User regular
    My scenes generally run 700-1500 words. Not longer than that, usually. But @Geardrops is right. Find the right place to break, and you can make it even more dramatic.

    Sometimes I blog. Other times I tweet. But I'm always writing. (and so is that other Amalia)

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  • zenpotatozenpotato Registered User regular
    I think it depends. 6,000 is long, but if it works, it works. The important thing is that there's conflict and things actually happening.

  • geardropsgeardrops Registered User
    Wank wrote: »
    Semifinals for the ABNA contest again :D

    Congrats! :D

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    zenpotato wrote: »
    I think it depends. 6,000 is long, but if it works, it works. The important thing is that there's conflict and things actually happening.

    There's definitely conflict and things happening, and I'm trying to convey the sense of emotional exhaustion the main character has in managing all the things going on. The character doesn't get a chance to stop and catch her breath, and I don't want the reader to, either. At least, to the extent that it's a good kind of emotional exhaustion.

    (And by "single scene" I mean a single block of prose with no scene breaks. So basically twenty pages or so with no clear stopping points. Not, like, a single paragraph or anything. I don't actively hate my readers.)

    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am not!"
    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    So what's the maximum reasonable length for a single scene? I'm writing a segment right now that is basically an extended action sequence that, for thematic reasons, I would like to keep break-free, but it's pushing 6000 words. If that would make most people's eyeballs explode, I can probably force a break in there somewhere, but I'm trying to avoid dulling the tension. Thoughts?

    6000 words? What kind of scene is this? I'm thinking about the latter part of the Fifth Elephant and Night Watch where there is swaths of text dedicated to the werewolf hunt/the revolution, but even then I wouldn't call that one scene. This is a tenth of your book you're talking here.

    I'll take a look at it if you want and tell you if I think the tension stacks up or if it's too drawn out if you want. But my gut is saying that that's fairly long.

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  • VanityPantsVanityPants Registered User regular
    Hey guys!

    Does anyone feel like reading a fantasy novel for me? Hah.

    As I said a little bit ago, I just finished the second draft of this book and I could really use some general opinions on plot, pacing, and all of that good stuff. It's a book based on a short story I wrote (Lorelei by the Sea, for those who have read it; it's also the story that comes before The Exiled God, for those here who read THAT.)

    For those that haven't, it's a story about a girl who's the daughter of a goddess and a pirate king (of sorts) and her life starting the day she wakes up to her father killing her mother. There's war, fighting, a bit of love, and some Viking-esque influences. It's around 95,000 words.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    So what's the maximum reasonable length for a single scene? I'm writing a segment right now that is basically an extended action sequence that, for thematic reasons, I would like to keep break-free, but it's pushing 6000 words. If that would make most people's eyeballs explode, I can probably force a break in there somewhere, but I'm trying to avoid dulling the tension. Thoughts?

    6000 words? What kind of scene is this? I'm thinking about the latter part of the Fifth Elephant and Night Watch where there is swaths of text dedicated to the werewolf hunt/the revolution, but even then I wouldn't call that one scene. This is a tenth of your book you're talking here.

    I'll take a look at it if you want and tell you if I think the tension stacks up or if it's too drawn out if you want. But my gut is saying that that's fairly long.

    It's basically a heist, and it represents the culmination of a whole lot of build-up and preparation. It doesn't all take place in one area; it's moving around an office building doing stuff that results in lots of bodies as the main character is all, "Oh shit, that just happened. Oh shit, now that just happened."

    For now I'm going to keep it in mind as potentially Holy Fuck Long, and when I do my second draft I'll re-examine. I actually figured it for about half this long when I was plotting it out, but it sort of metastasized.

    edit: Okay, it finished up at just under 8000 words. I'll definitely be sticking a break in there somewhere.

    ElJeffe on
    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am not!"
    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
  • VanityPantsVanityPants Registered User regular
    Awesome! I could swear I've emailed you things before, but I can't seem to find your email address anywhere, Magell. Send me a PM with it and I'll send the book over. Thanks!

  • thesandmanthesandman Registered User
    Uhmm, for the action scene (I don't know how to do the quotation marks) maybe the emotional exhaustion can be evident in the sentence structure or paragraph size? Hemingway does a lot of that (check the childbirth scene in A Farewell to Arms) with a fragmented stream-of-conciousness style of writing which has the reader starting and stopping. I would read it out and see how it sounds or get someone else to read it and see the tone of voice they take.

    Outnumbered? Outgunned? Outclassed? Hmm, they're learning.
  • FyndirFyndir Registered User regular
    Can anyone help me out with the rules / etiquette of WB?

    I can't see a sticky for it, and this frightens me.

  • EdcrabEdcrab Registered User
    A new guy?!

    GET HIM.


    ... It's generally fairly straightforward! Don't make a thread simply to advertise your work. If you want a piece of writing critiqued, actually try to include it in the body of the thread. There's... not really that much more to it, actually.

    Also in unrelated news, we need a new rules sticky.

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  • FyndirFyndir Registered User regular
    No, see, that seems far too simple.

    It must be a trap.

  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    Also, no fan fiction.

    “Hic non defectus est, sed cattus minxit desuper nocte quadam. Confundatur pessimus cattus qui minxit super librum istum in nocte Daventrie, et consimiliter omnes alii propter illum. Et cavendum valde ne permittantur libri aperti per noctem ubi cattie venire possunt.”
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  • FyndirFyndir Registered User regular
    Basically what I have right now is a touch over 1500 words intended to be a prologue, I am in the process of trying to flesh this out further by writing another chapter, with the goal being to end up with something resembling a novel.

    The whole thing started as the backstory of a DnD character I've been playing, and just keeps growing that little bit bigger in my mind.

    If that sounds like something that would be reasonable to post and be critiqued then I'll go ahead and make a topic to slap it in.
    Spoiler:

  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    Make a thread, yeah. Then we'll explain why prologues are a bad idea and why yours should stay in a drawer while you write the rest of the novel. :P

    “Hic non defectus est, sed cattus minxit desuper nocte quadam. Confundatur pessimus cattus qui minxit super librum istum in nocte Daventrie, et consimiliter omnes alii propter illum. Et cavendum valde ne permittantur libri aperti per noctem ubi cattie venire possunt.”
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  • FyndirFyndir Registered User regular
    I simply cannot wait to be told what a shitlord I am. <3

  • VanityPantsVanityPants Registered User regular
  • ruzkinruzkin Registered User regular
    Does your story involve gangs? Or daggers?

    If not, you're in the clear.

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  • EdcrabEdcrab Registered User
    Damn it. My prologue is all about groups with bladed instruments.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    Fyndir wrote: »
    Can anyone help me out with the rules / etiquette of WB?

    I can't see a sticky for it, and this frightens me.

    Gently informing new people of their errors is the only time TWB's mods get to do anything.

  • zenpotatozenpotato Registered User regular
    Maybe we can start writing really, really obscure fan fiction that would cause them to jump down dark wikipedia holes in order to research their suspicions.

  • ruzkinruzkin Registered User regular
  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    I like the layouts in general for both of them, but I feel there's a lack of contrast between the font on the titles and the background down there. I like to glance at a book and have the title really pop, and I find myself sort of having to hunt for it.

    Of the first two, I prefer the one with the smaller font for the three titles. I assume that "Agent 806" is the name of the collection? If the three titles have previously been published, maybe keep the larger font, though, just to prevent confusion and make sure people know what they're getting.

    Also, on the first cover, there's something weird going on with the woman's mouth. The way her lips sort of disappear on the right side is messing with me, and the dot representing the little cleft beneath her nose (which probably has a name but I'm blanking) looks to me almost like some sort of mole or blemish.

    Like I said, though, I really dig the general design of each one, the colors used, all that. Just a few nits to pick.

    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am not!"
    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
  • VanityPantsVanityPants Registered User regular
    I'm with ElJeffe in that the titles just aren't working for me. The text itself just looks really boring. The colors aren't popping or working with the rest of the cover and the font itself isn't working for me, either. The design and placement/colors on everything else seem fine to me. Of the two, I like the one with the smaller font for the three titles as well.

    I hadn't noticed the lips, but now that Jeffe mentioned them I can't stop staring and noticing how strange they look, hah.

  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    The colors remind me of what you'd get when you run out of blue ink on an old inkjet printer. I do like the smaller font better too. Maybe make it weigh less?

    I think the graphic parts are fine, even the lips.

    tastydonuts on
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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    itt: we find out that tastydonuts has asymmetrical lips and a giant blemish

    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am not!"
    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
  • tapeslingertapeslinger utter Yog-Sothothery mmm, soulsRegistered User regular
    Yeah that looks like a harelip, I would totally suggest fixing that

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