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[Fly On] DCS A-10C / DCS Black Shark / LOMAC: FC2 - Combat Flight Simulation!
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The tutorials are a huge step back from FSX. I only saw 2 (maybe I'm missing some?), how to land on a runway and how to land on water. Granted, I haven't done the bi-plane stuff yet, and I think there's one to start it up. But there's soooo much to general aviation beyond landing. They're great landing tutorials for people that don't play a lot of flights sims, though (which is basically who this game is designed for).
I agree with the use of Hawaii as a good starting location. I'm not against their business model for this game, but it certainly doesn't replace FSX. Which is a shame, because I hear FSX runs like ass even on great computers, while MSF looks and runs great.
I guess I'll have to get back into MSFS and see how Hawaii looks compared to MSF. I do like how MSFS does Taiwan and Hong Kong though.
I'm currently out of commission due to the birth of our second child. At least as flight sims go. Too hard to concentrate.
My TrackIR 4 flat-out stopped working a few days ago--as oppose to just breaking when I look away and requiring a reset, it doesn't work period, so I put down the money for more when I realize that the mouse is literally the only other way to look around in FC2 (joystick hat is surprisingly inadequate, unlike in Il-2). Hoping TrackIR 5 is good, otherwise I'll probably return it and just get used to using a mouse.
Congratulations, now you have to make sure that this one learns how to fly an A-10.
Thanks
And don't worry, both of my kids will be able to take the stick if I pass out or something.
The graphics look pretty good, I might have to try this out.
You have to install DCS: World, which appears to be a hub app that Eagle Dynamics is going to use. P51D is a module for DCS: World. It sounds like you can install World for free, and you get the Su-25 to boot. It also looks like ED is going to allow third parties to develop modules for World. I saw in the ED forums that one developer has announced a MiG-21 module already. Looks like some interesting stuff will be coming out soon!
Yeah, that's something they've been talking up for a little while. They want to use DCS as a hub that many different things interact with. They plan to have new planes be modules like the P-51D that just add on. I think they even plan to start adding some sort of dynamic ground war. Flaming Cliffs 3 is also coming out in the near future and will be part of that.
I don't know if they currently do, but I think that's the plan.
P-51D Mustang can be pre-ordered for $40, which is ridiculous. I'll grab it when it's $10 or less.
It looks like a lot of fun, with people.
If I wasn't so antisocial, I'd probably go for it.
And maybe I've played a bit too much IL-2, but shouldn't the pilot in that video be going into more spinouts and stalls (I don't know the technical terms, sorry)?
Because to my understanding, all you get is that plane. Maybe $40 is reasonable for 1 add-on plane for you, but it isn't for me.
Thanks for the info on the price as well.
It isn't. I wouldn't pay $40 for DCS: FW-190A8 or DCS: Ki-100. I'm certainly not going to pay that much for DCS: P-51.
With DCS: Black Shark, you were paying $40 (a little less for me, Amazon prices) for a whole new engine (at the time), and a helicopter simulation, which is exceedingly rare in this time period. No brainer.
With DCS: A-10, you paying for an addition to that engine (one aircraft), with additional missions. I wouldn't pay $40, but goodness knows people love the A-10, so I can understand why. It fits into the existing ecosystem.
With this latest effort, they're really stretching it, I'd say. And unless you plan to fly that P-51 against Fulcrums and Eagles and be obliterated before you even knew what happened, you're really settling for just one aircraft in an ecosystem, from what I understood. You'd really have to like that aircraft.
I totally bought A-10 at launch for full price, and have no regrets.
In comparison to IL-2 which I got for $40 with, what, 300 airplanes, then yeah, I guess it's a rip-off.
In the North American market, I remember the usual gaming media (PC Gamer, etc.) absolutely clamoring for an American aircraft, so DCS: A-10 was a real treat. The community that got me into LOMAC was primarily Russian, so the community I followed wasn't any more interested in the A-10 then it would have been in DCS: Su-25, if that had come out). Hence why I still haven't bought it--my A-10 needs are met by FC2. But since I picked up DCS:BS on release, A-10 is more of just a mission and aircraft pack.
The reverse could be true. Especially since, in North America, I'd expect you'd get way more cases of people buying DCS: A-10 first.
EDIT: And yeah, DCS: P-51 has to compare to IL-2: 1946 and other incarnations. DCS:IL-2 wouldn't be an easier sell for me either, I only really got into the series around Forgotten Battles and the Pacific expansion.
It does make sense for them to once again charge $40 for essentially is DCS:P-51D but wonder how many enthusiasts they'll get to bite on it.
By the way, seeing your sig always makes me laugh.
That aside, DCS: FC2 really does everything, and more, I'd want from DCS: A-10--the inane detail in DCS:BS is tricky, and not always welcomed, and I don't need it for an A-10 that I've already played in literally a dozen other sims, if not more. I've had a long love-affair with the F-14D, but I don't know if I'd fork out $40 just for DCS:Tomcat-D.
Now, DCS:MiG-31? I'd pay $40 easy for that. It's a very rare aircraft in simulations (especially when you consider its still operational in two air forces).
I feel differently about the A-10 because it is much more high tech. I've spent more time learning the targeting and weapon systems than I have just flying it. What is there to learn in the P-51? Prop feather and fuel mixtures? Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of IL-2 and WW2 air combat, but I think, at least for me, I would get bored pretty quick of just flying the P-51 around.
I'll totally buy it when it's $10 or less, though.
That would make the price easier to swallow, sure, but to my understanding it uses the same engine the other games use now.
I just want to say that while I love FC2, the A-10 experience you get in DCS:A-10C is way cooler. The "inane" detail doesn't really get in the way of the experience, unlike BS - and that's probably because flying a single seat Russian attack helicopter seems way more complicated. Also, the upgrades that the A-10C received add a lot to the experience. Learning to use the new weapon and navigation systems was very enjoyable.
As far as $40 for the P-51, fuck that. I'm all about WW2 era stuff, but I want (semi)modern aircraft in my DCS. Give me MiGs, Su-25s, whatever
I have to disagree--mostly because I have played DCS:A-10. The intense realism was overwhelming but appreciable in the Ka-50--I mean, it's not just a helicopter, it's a coaxial rotor helicopter. Hell yes it's going to be new and complex.
DCS:A-10C is still "I've been here and done this." I wouldn't turn it down for free, but I've still been doing this for 20 years. It's a lot deeper, but it's not fundamentally new. BS was pretty damn unprecedented. A-10C comes close, but not quite--and it really depends on how you feel about the particular aircraft.
If DCS:BS had ended up being something terribly overdone, like the F/A-18, for example, I would not have bought it full price.
I haven't checked up on the game since the 1.03 patch. Looking now, they're apparently up to 1.05, and there's also some free DLC featuring some electronic artists I've never heard of and will probably hate, but hey, it's free!
The flight model on the Trainee difficulty is pretty accessible. It offers enough realism to make the flying feel really meaty and exciting. The career mode and challenges give you piloting tasks that emphasize control and awareness, the time trials are about high speeds and close maneuvering and really put a demand on your feel for the cyclic and collective. It's really a complete evolution of the flight stuff in Arma2, and if this flight model is used by Arma in the future the helicopter pilots are about to get a new game.
Edit: Oh and that virtual instructor has nerves of steel.
I'm hoping the Take On Helicopter games go in sale for a bit more. I really want to try it out.
So it's basically not worth it?
It's tempting at $17, but I haven't even played MSF, just FSX, and I don't know if it's worth it. Downloading it now, but it will take a while.
The Maule M-7-260C seems to have one. There's a cockpit view in one of the screens on the store page and the bullet points don't have the "No Cockpit View" clause I've seen in the other DLC. This is good to know.
I've picked up the Hawaii DLC already, and I'm kinda toying with the idea of the Alaskan expansion and the Maule.
edit: It has this under it's own bullet points; Deluxe Aircraft: Explore virtual cockpits with working instruments, superb graphics, and flight models.
It also says the airplanes that come with the mission packs, the Piper Cub for instance, also doesn't have a cockpit.
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