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When the bar comes off your chest... don't stop [Weightlifting thread]

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  • chrishallett83chrishallett83 Hi! Registered User regular
    Amy had shoulder pain like that, turned out to be calcification.

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  • y2jake215y2jake215 The No Flex ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Amy had shoulder pain like that, turned out to be calcification.

    Googling says it usually only lasts a few weeks or so, was the pain a long-term thing? It seems like that would be an easier thing to deal with than if it turns out to be weightlifter's shoulder and needs surgery, I can only hope it's that

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  • Chessboxing909Chessboxing909 Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    I might've posted about this issue before, but it would've been a loooong time ago.

    When I try to work out my chest, usually any sort of bench, sometimes flies, etc., or if I would try shoulder stuff (lateral raises, etc, which I completely gave up on years ago) I get pain roughly in my AC joint area. If I work out consistently, it starts to happen when I do pretty much anything, and also lingers randomly in the back of my shoulder (feels like its probably in that top bone in your upper back, maybe my scapula?) It started in my right shoulder about 5 or 6 years ago, and has begun to happen in my left shoulder too. I have had limited range in my right shoulder for years, for example I can't even really do an upright row motion, let alone with any weight, while my left is still pretty normal. They crack constantly, and feel like they're popping a little bit during some workout motions. I think 4 years ago or so I got an MRI on it, the guy said there was nothing enough wrong that I needed surgery but that something was a little bit wacky with my AC joint, and I underwent physical therapy. I've done at least 2 or 3 separate sequences of PT on it, including once after getting a cortisone shot in the right shoulder. When it first started, I took at least a year off from lifting, and in the years since then I've taken breaks of between 1 to 6 months several other times. No amount of rest or PT seems to help it, it'll subside (mostly) but acts back up again as soon as I start working out again. I'm making another appointment with a shoulder specialist tomorrow, but has anyone had ANY similar experience with shoulder issues. This shit is really starting to bother me, since working out is something I really, really enjoy and get depressed when I can't for a long period of time, watch my gains disappear for the hundredth time, and end up eating like shit and falling out of shape.

    Thanks guys

    sorry for the novel

    The best thing you could do would be to visit a physical therapist, and a number of those places offer free injury evaluation and if you shoot the shit with em a bit they'll give you some general advice.
    But without seeing, or knowing much about the problem past what you're saying here, my guess is it's a muscular front to back imbalance, you probably need to work on your mid back a bit more and lay off the bench/pressing in the mean time, as well as adding a good shoulder warm up each day, some stretches, and tissue work for the shoulders and pecs.
    How's your posture in general? Lower/mid trap and rhomboid weakness combined with tight pecs/delts can cause the shoulders to crunch and hurt during some exercise and until you strengthen the posterior bits that are weak it won't get any better. Could be during the time off you lost some muscle but that balance stayed about the same so the problem still exists. Also, keep in mind if some of those muscles are really weak you may need to do some rehab type work because some of those muscles may be so weak other spots are taking over and doing their jobs for them during some of the bigger exercises.

    Just my guess, I had something like this and worked on it a good bit, my shoulders still aren't great but they're much, much better.

    Oh also, keep in mind, if it IS a muscular balance issue, and you continue without addressing it, eventually it WILL tear something. My brother went through surgery for a labrum tear a bit ago and that's kinda what scared me into really studying up to avoid what happened with him. No matter how strong you are if there's a major imbalance it's going to result in injury, you might have to do some obnoxious exercises with very light weight to correct issues, just gotta stick to it.

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  • y2jake215y2jake215 The No Flex ZoneRegistered User regular
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    I might've posted about this issue before, but it would've been a loooong time ago.

    When I try to work out my chest, usually any sort of bench, sometimes flies, etc., or if I would try shoulder stuff (lateral raises, etc, which I completely gave up on years ago) I get pain roughly in my AC joint area. If I work out consistently, it starts to happen when I do pretty much anything, and also lingers randomly in the back of my shoulder (feels like its probably in that top bone in your upper back, maybe my scapula?) It started in my right shoulder about 5 or 6 years ago, and has begun to happen in my left shoulder too. I have had limited range in my right shoulder for years, for example I can't even really do an upright row motion, let alone with any weight, while my left is still pretty normal. They crack constantly, and feel like they're popping a little bit during some workout motions. I think 4 years ago or so I got an MRI on it, the guy said there was nothing enough wrong that I needed surgery but that something was a little bit wacky with my AC joint, and I underwent physical therapy. I've done at least 2 or 3 separate sequences of PT on it, including once after getting a cortisone shot in the right shoulder. When it first started, I took at least a year off from lifting, and in the years since then I've taken breaks of between 1 to 6 months several other times. No amount of rest or PT seems to help it, it'll subside (mostly) but acts back up again as soon as I start working out again. I'm making another appointment with a shoulder specialist tomorrow, but has anyone had ANY similar experience with shoulder issues. This shit is really starting to bother me, since working out is something I really, really enjoy and get depressed when I can't for a long period of time, watch my gains disappear for the hundredth time, and end up eating like shit and falling out of shape.

    Thanks guys

    sorry for the novel

    The best thing you could do would be to visit a physical therapist, and a number of those places offer free injury evaluation and if you shoot the shit with em a bit they'll give you some general advice.
    But without seeing, or knowing much about the problem past what you're saying here, my guess is it's a muscular front to back imbalance, you probably need to work on your mid back a bit more and lay off the bench/pressing in the mean time, as well as adding a good shoulder warm up each day, some stretches, and tissue work for the shoulders and pecs.
    How's your posture in general? Lower/mid trap and rhomboid weakness combined with tight pecs/delts can cause the shoulders to crunch and hurt during some exercise and until you strengthen the posterior bits that are weak it won't get any better. Could be during the time off you lost some muscle but that balance stayed about the same so the problem still exists. Also, keep in mind if some of those muscles are really weak you may need to do some rehab type work because some of those muscles may be so weak other spots are taking over and doing their jobs for them during some of the bigger exercises.

    Just my guess, I had something like this and worked on it a good bit, my shoulders still aren't great but they're much, much better.

    Thanks for the response - one of my mom's good friends is actually a physical therapist, and she told me a few years ago the same thing, that it might be a muscular imbalance. Since then, I've done a lot more back work than front because of the relative pain levels, trying to see if it would help. I've been doing lots of reverse flies, rows, face pulls, etc to work on my back and rhomboids and stuff. My posture has definitely improved but it's not perfect yet. Hopefully the specialist can tell me if I'm still imbalanced.

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  • Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Peen wrote: »
    What kind of shoes did you get TB? I've been thinking about them as an "oh you want to get me something? Uhh, I want this I guess?" gift idea. That's how I got my belt.

    I got these ones.

    But they're basically the Risto White Thunder with a different badge.

    I was contemplating the Adidas Power Perfect II's, but it's hard to find a pair that will ship to Australia and I'd rather deal with an Australian reseller anyway. The bright red Adistars look slick as hell, but I'd look like a goddamn peacock at my gym, and also they're too expensive for my needs, especially when I include international shipping.

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  • Chessboxing909Chessboxing909 Registered User regular
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    I might've posted about this issue before, but it would've been a loooong time ago.

    When I try to work out my chest, usually any sort of bench, sometimes flies, etc., or if I would try shoulder stuff (lateral raises, etc, which I completely gave up on years ago) I get pain roughly in my AC joint area. If I work out consistently, it starts to happen when I do pretty much anything, and also lingers randomly in the back of my shoulder (feels like its probably in that top bone in your upper back, maybe my scapula?) It started in my right shoulder about 5 or 6 years ago, and has begun to happen in my left shoulder too. I have had limited range in my right shoulder for years, for example I can't even really do an upright row motion, let alone with any weight, while my left is still pretty normal. They crack constantly, and feel like they're popping a little bit during some workout motions. I think 4 years ago or so I got an MRI on it, the guy said there was nothing enough wrong that I needed surgery but that something was a little bit wacky with my AC joint, and I underwent physical therapy. I've done at least 2 or 3 separate sequences of PT on it, including once after getting a cortisone shot in the right shoulder. When it first started, I took at least a year off from lifting, and in the years since then I've taken breaks of between 1 to 6 months several other times. No amount of rest or PT seems to help it, it'll subside (mostly) but acts back up again as soon as I start working out again. I'm making another appointment with a shoulder specialist tomorrow, but has anyone had ANY similar experience with shoulder issues. This shit is really starting to bother me, since working out is something I really, really enjoy and get depressed when I can't for a long period of time, watch my gains disappear for the hundredth time, and end up eating like shit and falling out of shape.

    Thanks guys

    sorry for the novel

    The best thing you could do would be to visit a physical therapist, and a number of those places offer free injury evaluation and if you shoot the shit with em a bit they'll give you some general advice.
    But without seeing, or knowing much about the problem past what you're saying here, my guess is it's a muscular front to back imbalance, you probably need to work on your mid back a bit more and lay off the bench/pressing in the mean time, as well as adding a good shoulder warm up each day, some stretches, and tissue work for the shoulders and pecs.
    How's your posture in general? Lower/mid trap and rhomboid weakness combined with tight pecs/delts can cause the shoulders to crunch and hurt during some exercise and until you strengthen the posterior bits that are weak it won't get any better. Could be during the time off you lost some muscle but that balance stayed about the same so the problem still exists. Also, keep in mind if some of those muscles are really weak you may need to do some rehab type work because some of those muscles may be so weak other spots are taking over and doing their jobs for them during some of the bigger exercises.

    Just my guess, I had something like this and worked on it a good bit, my shoulders still aren't great but they're much, much better.

    Thanks for the response - one of my mom's good friends is actually a physical therapist, and she told me a few years ago the same thing, that it might be a muscular imbalance. Since then, I've done a lot more back work than front because of the relative pain levels, trying to see if it would help. I've been doing lots of reverse flies, rows, face pulls, etc to work on my back and rhomboids and stuff. My posture has definitely improved but it's not perfect yet. Hopefully the specialist can tell me if I'm still imbalanced.

    Yeah that's my first thought with it too, some of the spots in the back can lag behind really easily and be a real bitch to get caught back up. Could try not pressing/benching for a bit, work in some push ups and some extra back work and see if you can talk to the PT and get an eval. Might need some lower/mid trap isolation work. I always have trouble isolating the lower trap, it's just kind of a pain in the ass to do, none of that shit is fun.
    Also, the mobility workout of the day stuff could definitely help.

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  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    I'm in a super shitty mood about my lifting tonight. I squat like a little fucking girl, but without any of the flexibility or colourful clothing. The only place I seem to make any fucking gains is in the injury column.

    Everyone go do this mob right now and do the test/retest. It's dynamite for loosening up some external rotation in the hips.

  • Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    I've been doing that mob lately actually. it makes a difference, especially in my left side, which seems to be tight every-fucking-where and I can never pinpoint any exact spots.

  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    The test/retest blows my mind every time. One leg just suddenly has this massive ROM and feels nice and loose and the other is godawful by comparison.

  • Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    I know I should do more mobility work, but I never fucking do.

    And I always regret it when I start foam rolling my quads after a month of neglect.

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  • SliderSlider Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    I hyperextended my right knee yesterday. I was playing racquetball, took a step with my right foot, my shoe slid, then stuck, and the action hyperextended my knee. I attribute the injury to an overall weakness from standing all day at work with my knees locked.

    To prevent the injury, they say I need to strengthen my quads.

    Anyway, I stopped playing racquetball and worked on my chest instead. Then I went to work. Bleh.

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  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    Peen wrote: »
    What kind of shoes did you get TB? I've been thinking about them as an "oh you want to get me something? Uhh, I want this I guess?" gift idea. That's how I got my belt.

    I got these ones.

    But they're basically the Risto White Thunder with a different badge.

    I was contemplating the Adidas Power Perfect II's, but it's hard to find a pair that will ship to Australia and I'd rather deal with an Australian reseller anyway. The bright red Adistars look slick as hell, but I'd look like a goddamn peacock at my gym, and also they're too expensive for my needs, especially when I include international shipping.

    Those are pretty dang sweet, I like the Risto version a lot. I'm sure I have a birthday coming up or something.

  • Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    Slider wrote: »
    I hyperextended my right knee yesterday. I was playing racquetball, took a step with my right foot, my shoe slid, then stuck, and the action hyperextended my knee. I attribute the injury to an overall weakness from standing all day at work with my knees locked.

    To prevent the injury, they say I need to strengthen my quads.

    Anyway, I stopped playing racquetball and worked on my chest instead. Then I went to work. Bleh.

    that's what i would attribute the injury to, mudbrain

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  • adytumadytum Registered User regular
    I'm no longer going to have access to my dungeon and will have to once again join a gym . Eww.

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  • ProlegomenaProlegomena Frictionless Spinning The VoidRegistered User regular
    Slider wrote: »
    Anyway, I stopped playing racquetball and worked on my chest instead.

    maybe time for some new material

  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
  • CaptainBeyondCaptainBeyond Registered User regular
    Anyone got any sweet recovery (for fatigue) tips? Besides not trying to lift a finger I mean.

    Be more specific, what kind of fatigue are we talking about?

    Otherwise, my suggestion is sleep.

    I do just mean being weary (muscularly) as all get out by the end of the week. I tried a hot bath, but I don't think it really helped. So I dunno, meditation?

  • MethuselahMethuselah Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    I have a belt! I am strong! (I am not strong)

    Cripes, I need to gain weight.
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  • OghulkOghulk whale oil beef hooked james k. polk middle schoolRegistered User regular
    Got back in today, helloooo leggss.

    Got 185 on my squat after 4 months away, not bad I'd say.
    115 on my bench
    and then worked on my deadlift form at 135. Gonna spend some more time there to get that form down before I increase the weight.

    I figure I'll do something akin to: Squat/Bench/DL/DBs then Squat/Pendlay Row/Upright Row/DBs on alternating days with Crunches, Push ups, Pull ups, and running on the in-between days (i.e. Tue/Thur and weekends).

  • MethuselahMethuselah Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Got back in today, helloooo leggss.

    Got 185 on my squat after 4 months away, not bad I'd say.
    115 on my bench
    and then worked on my deadlift form at 135. Gonna spend some more time there to get that form down before I increase the weight.

    I figure I'll do something akin to: Squat/Bench/DL/DBs then Squat/Pendlay Row/Upright Row/DBs on alternating days with Crunches, Push ups, Pull ups, and running on the in-between days (i.e. Tue/Thur and weekends).


    No overhead work? Might be a nice addition to your second day

  • OghulkOghulk whale oil beef hooked james k. polk middle schoolRegistered User regular
    That's what I was missing, the OHP. I remembered putting in 4 lifts on the second day but couldn't remember the last one, thanks!

  • Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Peen wrote: »
    Peen wrote: »
    What kind of shoes did you get TB? I've been thinking about them as an "oh you want to get me something? Uhh, I want this I guess?" gift idea. That's how I got my belt.

    I got these ones.

    But they're basically the Risto White Thunder with a different badge.

    I was contemplating the Adidas Power Perfect II's, but it's hard to find a pair that will ship to Australia and I'd rather deal with an Australian reseller anyway. The bright red Adistars look slick as hell, but I'd look like a goddamn peacock at my gym, and also they're too expensive for my needs, especially when I include international shipping.

    Those are pretty dang sweet, I like the Risto version a lot. I'm sure I have a birthday coming up or something.

    I've heard good and "meh" reviews about them. Probably like with any product, it comes down to personal preference. I don't have enough experience with lifting shoes in order to form a solid review, nor do I have anything to reference them against, but they seem to do the job well for me and I'm very happy with them for the time being. They were within a price range I was happy to spend and they seem to be pretty solidly built (the wooden heel is bolted into the sole).

    They're also all apparently hand-made in South America, so they're not always "perfect" when it comes to stitching and glue smears and stuff like that. Also the heel height is variable based on the size of the shoe, the logic behind it being that the heel elevation should remain proportional to the size of the foot rather than being a set height through all the sizes. At my shoe size, I believe the heel is around the 1" mark.

    After measuring my foot on a piece of paper with my socks on, it came out to around 29cm (11.5"), so I went with the size 12/45. It could be a little more snug, but tying up the laces and doing the strap down nice and tight seems to work well.

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  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    Methuselah wrote: »
    I have a belt! I am strong! (I am not strong)

    Cripes, I need to gain weight.
    Spoiler:
    e - I am 19 years old. I was playing Strarcraft when I was seven. I was raised by computers. I cannot figure out how to link a picture in this post. Gaze upon me and tremble at my ineptitude.

    Now I feel like we should all take a picture like that because it's fucking hilarious.

    Also yeah, milk up dude, yo legs is thin.

    Not hatin', most of us are too thin or fat, just aspiring to one day be half as sexy as A! duck.

  • MethuselahMethuselah Registered User regular
    Peen wrote: »
    Methuselah wrote: »
    I have a belt! I am strong! (I am not strong)

    Cripes, I need to gain weight.
    Spoiler:
    e - I am 19 years old. I was playing Strarcraft when I was seven. I was raised by computers. I cannot figure out how to link a picture in this post. Gaze upon me and tremble at my ineptitude.

    Now I feel like we should all take a picture like that because it's fucking hilarious.

    Also yeah, milk up dude, yo legs is thin.

    Not hatin', most of us are too thin or fat, just aspiring to one day be half as sexy as A! duck.

    Man, my calves really are small. I promise I'm not a skinny fuck, at 5'6" and 190 I have an ass to block out the sun!

    No excuses, Methuselah, milk up!

  • chrishallett83chrishallett83 Hi! Registered User regular
    Methuselah wrote: »
    Peen wrote: »
    Methuselah wrote: »
    I have a belt! I am strong! (I am not strong)

    Cripes, I need to gain weight.
    Spoiler:
    e - I am 19 years old. I was playing Strarcraft when I was seven. I was raised by computers. I cannot figure out how to link a picture in this post. Gaze upon me and tremble at my ineptitude.

    Now I feel like we should all take a picture like that because it's fucking hilarious.

    Also yeah, milk up dude, yo legs is thin.

    Not hatin', most of us are too thin or fat, just aspiring to one day be half as sexy as A! duck.

    Man, my calves really are small. I promise I'm not a skinny fuck, at 5'6" and 190 I have an ass to block out the sun!

    No excuses, Methuselah, milk up!

    I got a ghetto booty as well. Beefy legs, too. But skinny little arms, and no-where near enough chest back and shoulders. I'm like the nega-Slider.

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  • ArthilArthil Henchman 21 Registered User regular
    I'm kinda wide and thick everywhere, most of the damned fat seems concentrated on my hairy gut.

    Onto a better topic, I pushed beyond one hundred pounds today on my deadlift, pulling 103 lbs. The sad thing is I think I could only get another 10-11 pound addition onto my bars and still have room to screw on the collars. Going to check to see what I've got in the back den downstairs and if it isn't anything too good, I'll just visit the local flea market. No need to get brand spanking new plates as long as they aren't damaged.

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  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    I am big everywhere - legs, ass, chest, arms, neck... My body's ultimate insult is that I look stronger than I am. I turn up and people think I'm about to do something special and then I just lift piss-weak little girl weights. Relative, of course.

  • chrishallett83chrishallett83 Hi! Registered User regular
    Isn't that all that matters, though? Looking impressive?

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  • ArthilArthil Henchman 21 Registered User regular
    I like the idea of being healthier a lot more honestly, never been too bothered by what people thought about my appearance whether it was being a big guy or having facial hair and such.

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Arthil wrote: »
    I'm kinda wide and thick everywhere, most of the damned fat seems concentrated on my hairy gut.

    Onto a better topic, I pushed beyond one hundred pounds today on my deadlift, pulling 103 lbs. The sad thing is I think I could only get another 10-11 pound addition onto my bars and still have room to screw on the collars. Going to check to see what I've got in the back den downstairs and if it isn't anything too good, I'll just visit the local flea market. No need to get brand spanking new plates as long as they aren't damaged.

    Hell, get damaged ones, so long as they seem roughly the same weight :P

    Eating healthier is rad too. It feels good and clean

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  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    Isn't that all that matters, though? Looking impressive?

    Not sure if serious here.

  • Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    He's mocking slider.

  • chrishallett83chrishallett83 Hi! Registered User regular
    God knows I wouldn't do it to his face, have you seen the pecs on that guy?

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter Registered User regular
    I failed squat for the first time today

    I went down, but then, didn't go back up

    So I was between my feet and the bar, kinda under it, so I dipped my head down and slowly rolled it forward over the top of me with my wrists and had a good chuckle. About time I failed. Its just a pity I did it on a weight I've already succeeded at before

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  • chrishallett83chrishallett83 Hi! Registered User regular
    You went over your head? It was a back squat, right?

    Why not roll it off your shoulders backwards? Less chance of straining your neck...

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter Registered User regular
    You went over your head? It was a back squat, right?

    Why not roll it off your shoulders backwards? Less chance of straining your neck...

    Because I couldn't I was under it while it was on the safeties. They're at the perfect height for me, I was ass to grass and had no way of moving up or down :P, I'd have had to shove it backwards with my neck otherwise

    So I did the slow roll, which was hilarious

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  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    He's mocking slider.

    Ooooooh, a joke.

    I get jokes.

  • SpherickSpherick Registered User regular
    You went over your head? It was a back squat, right?

    Why not roll it off your shoulders backwards? Less chance of straining your neck...

    Because I couldn't I was under it while it was on the safeties. They're at the perfect height for me, I was ass to grass and had no way of moving up or down :P, I'd have had to shove it backwards with my neck otherwise

    So I did the slow roll, which was hilarious

    Maybe I'm a retard, but if the bar was at the safeties, couldn't you have just dropped to your back (by splaying your legs forward) and the bar would have stayed on the safeties?

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  • Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    He's mocking slider.

    Ooooooh, a joke.

    I get jokes.

    How's this for a joke:

    My bench press.


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