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The Obama Administration: Re-Elected! 332-206 (Probably)
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He signed Massachusetts' health care reform bill. Unfortunately, he can't really run on that because he's criticizing Obama for doing the same thing on a national level.
Yeah, he can't even go with the nuanced position of "Well, it was right for Massachusetts, but not the rest of the country." "Why?" "...because...uh..."
...Y'know, I've heard him say that "not the rest of the country" thing a lot of times, but I haven't noticed: has anyone ever asked him why, and has he ever given a straight answer?
Because Real Americans worship at the altar of States' Rights, where The States can oppress the people as much as they like but if Washington steps in to help them it's tyranny.
About something which frankly was none of our business
Wasnt his lie "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"? Do blowies really count? Does getting a blowie, but not getting vaginal (or anal) penetration mean youre no longer a virgin?
Thats not to say I think his answer was honest, I just dont think it was an outright lie.
Also, from what I remember, most people only seemed to care about the blow job thing but I was also 12 in 1999 so...
The one time I heard him try it was states rights something something...so, no, he's never given a good reason to my knowledge.
As for the Clinton thing, I was pretty young at the time but I was old enough that I remember thinking "why doesn't he just tell them yes, he did her, and be done with it?" and beyond that, "Who cares? Why does this even matter?"
Treason is just as bad as lying about cheating
He did what now? A quick google says he paid Iran to not release the hostages. Is...is that true? Because if so thats super fucked.
It was just the classiest of classy plans.
EDIT: Wrong phrasing.
Hey, if it weren't for that, Ollie North wouldn't have gotten his own show on Fox News so... you know... socialism.
The best part is, when it comes to defending Reagan from these sorts of accusations, the most common line of argument always seems to be some variation on "Now really, look at this guy, look at the way he managed his staff...do you really think he knew what was going on?"
Thanatos has it covered, but yes, and now a jaunty tune about it
Oh okay, just "normal" Iran-Contra stuff. I thought there was an added pre-election thing where Reagan paid Iran to not release the hostages until after he was elected sort of thing (thats what the google search implied anyway).
Yeah, I'm aware of the Romneycare and venture parasite article.
So he seriously has accomplished nothing posative that he's not ashamed of?
Let's Play Mass Effect - Set 6 Updated 9/8/2012
Um...wow. I think Reagan is in hell right now, as Huey Freeman suggested.
Well his name does bear the mark of the beast.
You're conflating the October Surprise and Iran-Contra.
There's some non-trivial to believe this but nothing that strong. And considering Iran-Contra was treason anyway you don't really need it.
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How was it treason? Certainly illegal, but Im not sure its treasonous. But again, Im not fully informed so.
Certainly, but we werent. If Reagan actively tried to prevent the hostages from being released that would be treason, but selling weapons to a country youre not at war with, even if relations are strained, isnt treason.
He's the least offensive of a group of also-rans running to become the nominee of frothing GOP. His actual political record is barely serving a term as governor of Massachusetts, where he ran a super-vanilla campaign to get elected. Before this he tried to run as an independent senator against Ted Kennedy (and obviously failed). Outside of this he has run a firm that specialized in gutting major manufacturing companies (and pocketing peoples' retirement and benefits funds), and partially helping some mediocre minimum-wage based firms (Staples etc.). I mean, i guess he also worked as a mormon missionary abroad trying to convert people to start wearing magic underwear.
There was maybe a kernel of a solid campaign he could have potentially run on (maybe). Honestly though his two-facedness and backtracking is hardly surprising (it even makes sense in a way), if you really look into who he is.
I just realized I spelled 'positive' wrong. Damn iPhone breaks some things and doesn't fix others. /shrug
Thank you for that though. I've been doing my best to keep up with this election. I try to stay positive despite my more cynical side just saying "whatever", but some times this shit is depressing.
Let's Play Mass Effect - Set 6 Updated 9/8/2012
I think "they have taken hostages" is a little more severe than "strained".
Because 9% think it's too high, and shouldn't be cut! 9% of respondents could not fully
get their arms around the question. There should be another box you can check for, "I
have utterly no idea what you're talking about. Please, God, don't ask for my input."
That's completely false and sladerous!
Would it be a stretch to say that IC was Reagan's end of the deal?
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Actually, yes. They're two very separate events.
Sorry, I was, like, seven at the time.
Clinton was a distinctly mediocre President that didn't get much of an opportunity to do anything. Newt was pretty much running the country for four of Clinton's eight years.
The same reason people care who the Secret Service is paying for BJ's; it opens the leader of the United States up to situations you'd rather they not be involved in.
I had a teacher who loved Clinton because he was slick as hell; he admired Clintons ability to compartmentalize many of the fires his office was putting out during his presidency. We got weekly (sometimes daily) updates on his handling of the Presidency.
This will always be one of my favorite Slick Willy moments:
So why DID the Iranians play ball? What did they have to gain? Serious question.
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True, but still not "war were declared" bad.
And didnt Iran-Contra start like 5 years after the hostages?
They got to humiliate Carter, which played well domestically in Iran.
Remember Carter had been played up inside Iran as the leader of the great Satan. By denying him the chance to be the one that got the hostages released, they got one last jab at him in a manner that gave them maximum propaganda effect. The Iranian leaders got to say "we showed that Demon Carter".
Remember that taking the hostages was a technical act of war, the longer Iran held on to them, the more likely America would attack in force. The hostages where a casus beli for war, the Iranians didn't really want to hold on to them if they couldn't get concessions from America. Carter had refused to yield, Reagan had run on a even more hard-line response. The deal got the Iranians a chance to end it on a high note for Iran.
Reagan got a prime campaign issue.
Except that Carter had the Iranians by the financial short and curlies. The US had frozen all US-housed Iranian financial assets, which were considerable.
This is the point where I point out that financial sanctions are very bad at getting what we want and also that this isn't the Iran-Contra Thread, but instead my hastily constructed Obama thread.
You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.
I won't be able to watch it, but I'm curious.
I deploy again soon.
Let's Play Mass Effect - Set 6 Updated 9/8/2012
It's almost 730 and I'll actually be able to watch it.
You have to fight through some bad days, to earn the best days of your life.
but the Right is going to be going insane. He said the bad R word "Respect"
You have to fight through some bad days, to earn the best days of your life.