How can people look at that and think this game is fair.
dude, take a deep breath and consider what just happened.
one guy spent every mineral on attacking units and pulled all his workers
the other made a nexus that didn't effect the fight, 2 gases that didn't effect the fight, a gateway and a sentry that didn't effect the fight, and 3 cannons only 2 of which were involved in the fight.
that was completely fair. be frustrated, that's fine, but that shit was as fair as fair gets.
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Why don't terrans just do that build every single game ever? It is SO strong, even with seeing it coming, and impeccable micro it still comes down to them 1a-ing into your base and still winning 90% of the time.
I don't think I've ever seen a marine scv all in fail.
Why don't terrans just do that build every single game ever? It is SO strong, even with seeing it coming, and impeccable micro it still comes down to them 1a-ing into your base and still winning 90% of the time.
I don't think I've ever seen a marine scv all in fail.
I have. I've defeated them myself. Sure, down here at my gold/plat level of play, but that's the point here. Anecdoates aren't perfect, and just because the build feels so strong doesn't mean it is 100% unstoppable.
Why don't terrans just do that build every single game ever? It is SO strong, even with seeing it coming, and impeccable micro it still comes down to them 1a-ing into your base and still winning 90% of the time.
I don't think I've ever seen a marine scv all in fail.
do you actually play/watch this game
i am really starting to doubt it
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It is a hell of a lot easier to stop as Zerg than as Protoss, so that's not really relevant.
This is what I would do if I saw that all-in coming: get stalkers/zealots, get my probes ready. Pull probes and target the marines with my stalkers and pray. Maybe do some sick stop micro
EDIT: also, FFE v terran is like the exact opposite build of marine scv all in, holding that is just crazy
was wondering the same thing. So I absolutely hate the little info cards for the music. They appear to be written by a high school kid in the 90s. Not that there isn't a place for this "timeless" music, but if you are going to write about it, at least use correct terminology to speak about music.
How can people look at that and think this game is fair.
An unscouted all-in wins? what a shock.
Its not like naniwa didn't do everything it was possible for him to do in terms of scouting. Calling it unscouted implies that naniwa just didn't bother to scout.
And lets say naniwa went for a 1gate expo instead. That build still kills him, because he has, at best, 1 zealot and 1 stalker when it hits. He's even more dead.
Its not like naniwa didn't do everything it was possible for him to do in terms of scouting. Calling it unscouted implies that naniwa just didn't bother to scout.
And lets say naniwa went for a 1gate expo instead. That build still kills him, because he has, at best, 1 zealot and 1 stalker when it hits. He's even more dead.
he didn't scout the entirety of MVP's nat did he
he also should have OVER reacted when he saw too many marines. make that extra cannon a little earlier.
you made such ridiculous statements. he did did everything he could to scout and he couldn't possibly hold it...
This is what I would do if I saw that all-in coming: get stalkers/zealots, get my probes ready. Pull probes and target the marines with my stalkers and pray. Maybe do some sick stop micro
EDIT: also, FFE v terran is like the exact opposite build of marine scv all in, holding that is just crazy
FFE should be an easier counter to that build than a 1gate FE would be.
Its not like naniwa didn't do everything it was possible for him to do in terms of scouting. Calling it unscouted implies that naniwa just didn't bother to scout.
And lets say naniwa went for a 1gate expo instead. That build still kills him, because he has, at best, 1 zealot and 1 stalker when it hits. He's even more dead.
he didn't scout the entirety of MVP's nat did he
he also should have OVER reacted when he saw too many marines. make that extra cannon a little earlier.
you made such ridiculous statements. he did did everything he could to scout and he couldn't possibly hold it...
when neither are true at all.
Like I said, its physically impossible for a Terran to have more than two marines off of 1 barracks at the timing that Naniwa's probe died to three marines. That alone tells you there is more than one barracks, and nobody goes for more than one barracks into an expand. And even if they do, it delays their expansion by so much compared to your FFE that two cannons is easily justifiable to make immediately. If I know that timing, Naniwa certainly should.
I think Naniwa maybe should have been a bit more wary of something like that from MVP. MVP is fully capable of changing it up from macro to all-in (as we plainly saw).
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he went out super early in the dreamhack stockholm open because he hasn't practiced any matchup apart from pvt since he got into the ro8
when bomber and hack are all 'maybe you should play a bit less, we're worn out' that's some intense practice
when did they say that?
i hate this build
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EDIT: Did that just become Diablo 3?
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How can people look at that and think this game is fair.
just making a phenomenal build order choice man. and nani didn't read it completely enough, not that I blame him.
I can be happy that Mvp is returning to form though.
An unscouted all-in wins? what a shock.
dude, take a deep breath and consider what just happened.
one guy spent every mineral on attacking units and pulled all his workers
the other made a nexus that didn't effect the fight, 2 gases that didn't effect the fight, a gateway and a sentry that didn't effect the fight, and 3 cannons only 2 of which were involved in the fight.
that was completely fair. be frustrated, that's fine, but that shit was as fair as fair gets.
I don't think I've ever seen a marine scv all in fail.
I have. I've defeated them myself. Sure, down here at my gold/plat level of play, but that's the point here. Anecdoates aren't perfect, and just because the build feels so strong doesn't mean it is 100% unstoppable.
Because, well, it isn't.
do you actually play/watch this game
i am really starting to doubt it
But I agree with you otherwise.
EDIT: also, FFE v terran is like the exact opposite build of marine scv all in, holding that is just crazy
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Well, that and it's at a level of play that isn't really that great as well.
Like I said, that was my point. Anecdotes are not perfect here, and for every scv allin that works there is another that gets crushed.
Its not like naniwa didn't do everything it was possible for him to do in terms of scouting. Calling it unscouted implies that naniwa just didn't bother to scout.
And lets say naniwa went for a 1gate expo instead. That build still kills him, because he has, at best, 1 zealot and 1 stalker when it hits. He's even more dead.
he also should have OVER reacted when he saw too many marines. make that extra cannon a little earlier.
you made such ridiculous statements. he did did everything he could to scout and he couldn't possibly hold it...
when neither are true at all.
FFE should be an easier counter to that build than a 1gate FE would be.
It isn't, in every way I can think of.
But they all seem to be doing it in tournament games, which means it must be working in practise games reliably.
Like I said, its physically impossible for a Terran to have more than two marines off of 1 barracks at the timing that Naniwa's probe died to three marines. That alone tells you there is more than one barracks, and nobody goes for more than one barracks into an expand. And even if they do, it delays their expansion by so much compared to your FFE that two cannons is easily justifiable to make immediately. If I know that timing, Naniwa certainly should.
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seriously
shit be intense