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crucialityfactor · May 2012

The ST terrans obviously sabotaged their training with Nani. They are in cahouts with MC (a known GOM agent speciallizing in the supression of foreign uprisings).

Yilias · May 2012

I love that TL is calling him 'MvpByMvp'.

3clipse · May 2012

crucialityfactor wrote: »

The ST terrans obviously sabotaged their training with Nani. They are in cahouts with MC (a known GOM agent speciallizing in the supression of foreign uprisings).

"Of course Mvp is going to do a hellion/medivac/raven rush into mass unupgraded battlecruisers every single game, that's how Koreans play TvP now."

Joe K · May 2012

Variable wrote: »

interrobang wrote: »

when i move to korea i'm going to assassinate the person who handles the between-game music for GOM and take his place

and then it will be nothing but minimal techno and french house

all goddamn day

yeah it's so fucking bad and I would love that

if you could throw in some psytrance and nyc/chicago/philly house that would be great too.... i have to say that mimimalist techno/detroit techno is the fuel for most of my ladder binges.

Joe K · May 2012

interrobang wrote: »

jaziek wrote: »

interrobang wrote: »

theSquid wrote: »

Offensive bunkers are so fucking stupid.

that's the nature of competition, man

the old adage "don't hate the player, hate the game" comes to mind.......

don't hate the player

don't hate the game

hate yourself for being bad.

you just have to understand that in settings like the GSL, the concept of "not doing dickish builds" goes out the fucking window

if doing cheesy annoying all-ins will win you the series, then you do cheesy annoying all-ins

if you aren't there to beat everyone you play and win the whole thing, then why are you there?

Refer to Sirlin's, "Playing to Win" specifically, "Being a Scrub" for a more detailed explanation.

If I know that my opponent cant stop a 6pool, in a tournament setting, I'm going to 6pool until he holds it. Every fucking time. It's not about playing beautiful strats, or interesting builds, or playing with "honor", sometimes the only thing that matters is winning. You do what gives you the best chance to win, no matter how "cheesy" or "abusive" some people may think the tactic is.

Creating rules for yourself that don't exist in the game only makes you a scrub, and puts you at a massive disadvantage. #feelinglikejaziek

815165 · May 2012

i love that playing to win website

way to drag half a thought out into a whole load of stuff

Frozenzen · May 2012

Pity nani got knocked out, lets hope he can do better next season though.

And blaming mvp for going for earlygame wins is silly, he'd be stupid not to in the current state of TvP.

MNC Dover · May 2012

Can I make a request?

Spoiler:

Joe K · May 2012

815165 wrote: »

i love that playing to win website

way to drag half a thought out into a whole load of stuff

Question: Sirlin was approached by Blizzard to be the balance dude before Blizz settled on Browder/Kim. Do you think Sirlin would have been better/worse/same?

PantsB · May 2012

ITT I learn ignore is back

MNC Dover · May 2012

Joe K wrote: »

815165 wrote: »

i love that playing to win website

way to drag half a thought out into a whole load of stuff

Question: Sirlin was approached by Blizzard to be the balance dude before Blizz settled on Browder/Kim. Do you think Sirlin would have been better/worse/same?

The same. I believe that the SC design team is governed by its own history, a rabid fanbase, and Activision. It would be interesting to think what Sirlin thinks of balance in SC2, of course after he did his research.

MNC Dover · May 2012

PantsB wrote: »

ITT I learn ignore is back

ITT, I learn what ITT means.

Spoiler:

Biosys · May 2012

wasn't sirlin the guy who did sf2:hdr?

that's the only thing i remember about him, everyone hated him for that i seem to remember, and he got mad about it

this may be someone else

MNC Dover · May 2012

Biosys wrote: »

wasn't sirlin the guy who did sf2:hdr?

Yup, the very same. I <3 SSF2T:HDR

Biosys · May 2012

i may be wrong about everyone hating him then?

ah well

Joe K · May 2012

Biosys wrote: »

wasn't sirlin the guy who did sf2:hdr?

i think so, he's be the balance dude for a lot of fighters. Personally, given Browder's history with the C&C franchise, I'd put money on Sirlin doing a better job. I can't think of a C&C that didn't have outright abusable strats that never got addressed.

MNC Dover · May 2012

To be fair, SC2 is really well balanced as it is though. Sure, most people think T is op, but it has been coming and going in waves. There's also two more expansions worth of units to factor into the mix. SC1 wasn't where it is today until after BW. And they didn't have to deal with TL and an extremely whiny community blowing up their forums/twitter for each proposed change they made.

3clipse · May 2012

Joe K wrote: »

Biosys wrote: »

wasn't sirlin the guy who did sf2:hdr?

i think so, he's be the balance dude for a lot of fighters. Personally, given Browder's history with the C&C franchise, I'd put money on Sirlin doing a better job. I can't think of a C&C that didn't have outright abusable strats that never got addressed.

Browder's never done balance though. He's always game design. Balance is a totally different group of people.

Also at the risk of sounding like a broken record, SC2 is a really, really balanced game. Yes, there are issues, but all of the races can and do win tournaments, which in and of itself is a feat for a competitive RTS (lol any of the Dawn of War games?).

MMMig · May 2012

Well, T has had its phase (and longest running) of everyone saying it was OP.
P also got its phase until it got nerfed by ~10 patches.

When do Zerg get their turn?

Saaruto · May 2012

Zergs just win when they're UP anyways...Nestea, Stephano, etc

EDIT: Can't forget Fruitdealer

fatalspoons · May 2012

People are putting other PA people on ignore? That makes me sad.

fatalspoons · May 2012

MMMig wrote: »

Well, T has had its phase (and longest running) of everyone saying it was OP.
P also got its phase until it got nerfed by ~10 patches.

When do Zerg get their turn?

When infestors were gods.

Spoiler:

TannerMS · May 2012

fatalspoons wrote: »

When infestors were gods.

Spoiler:

I wrote this back in those days because I was awesome

Spoiler:

Counters

The dumb, addicted, stimmed marines
move in to kill the lonesome queen
but find that they have met their match
when twenty ultras start to hatch

The mighty broodlords drift ahead
The distant ground force will be dead
The broodlings now are striking down
"Oh Crap! Who brought those vikings 'round?"

The dark templar have sneaky skill
and move in for a sneaky kill
"They're all now looking as we pass."
No doubt, DT, they've scanned your ass

Infestors stare out at the field
All types of units drawing near
Some small, some large, some fly, some cloak
...
...
"No prob!" they say, "You're all a joke!"

http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls2/gomcam/67504

Hedwirez · May 2012

Just to rub salt in the wound, I got home this afternoon to find a flyer in my letterbox offering to upgrade my Internet to 1000meg!

jaziek · May 2012

fatalspoons wrote: »

People are putting other PA people on ignore? That makes me sad.

Who can blame the guy. I've posted some abrasively stupid shit, even today.

I'd put me on ignore too, if I could.

I mean that on just about every level it is possible to mean it on.

Spoiler:

MMMig · May 2012

Crap, I won't be able to play this game again until maaaaaybe Saturday.

and then I'm out of town next weekend

and then D3 comes out the weekend after that (well, the 15th)

>.<'

fatalspoons · May 2012

MMMig wrote: »

Crap, I won't be able to play this game again until maaaaaybe Saturday.

and then I'm out of town next weekend

and then D3 comes out the weekend after that (well, the 15th)

>.<'

Ah Mig. Drunken Friday night customs won't be the same without you.

MMMig · May 2012

Oh I'll be drunk Friday ("May the 4th Be With You" things going on, etc.).
Just probably not online.

Careful though Spoons.
Ever since that Cycles betrayal, I've had a baneling with your name on it.

Dropping Loads · May 2012

MNC Dover wrote: »

Joe K wrote: »

815165 wrote: »

i love that playing to win website

way to drag half a thought out into a whole load of stuff

Question: Sirlin was approached by Blizzard to be the balance dude before Blizz settled on Browder/Kim. Do you think Sirlin would have been better/worse/same?

The same. I believe that the SC design team is governed by its own history, a rabid fanbase, and Activision. It would be interesting to think what Sirlin thinks of balance in SC2, of course after he did his research.

I think Sirlin would have made a lot of people unhappy. There is a 1-credit elective course here at UC Berkeley on SCII, and apparently Sirlin guest taught one class. He thinks that there should be an APM cap because the asymmetry should arise solely from the game and not from player physical ability.

It's a fair design point to make, but it's not what people want to see in a REAL TIME GAME.

Lilnoobs · May 2012

Why? Aren't fighters "real time games"? Don't they have APM caps?

Dropping Loads · May 2012

If you push roundhouse kick faster than I push roundhouse kick, there is an upper limit to how much the speed difference matters. At some point, we will be producing the same number of kicks per second, even if you are hitting the button twice as fast. Reaction time and anticipation are retained as individual player skills. Sirlin would argue that those are more "cerebral" skills than seeing whose finger can move the fastest. As a contrast, we know that a robot in SCII would never lose because of perfect micro while never dropping macro.

It's just a point of comparison. It depends on what you want the game to be about. Within human limits, I think it's fine that some people have more effective APM than others. Sirlin would argue that's like letting your opponent take 2 turns in a row in chess. For SCII, I'm fine with that.

815165 · May 2012

every time i go to ladder all i can think is

"fuck it why bother what skills i have will atrophy as soon as diablo comes out anyway"

Sceptre · May 2012

jaziek wrote: »

fatalspoons wrote: »

People are putting other PA people on ignore? That makes me sad.

Who can blame the guy. I've posted some abrasively stupid shit, even today.

I'd put me on ignore too, if I could.

I mean that on just about every level it is possible to mean it on.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

4mins 20 in... apparently you can't link to a certain time on these forums or something?

Man, jaziek's posts aren't even that bad. Does anyone remember sylem/fizban?

Now there was a reason to use the ignore feature.

itsweb · May 2012

is today allin day on the fucking ladder or what goddamn it

Variable · May 2012

don't fighters only have caps in as much as once a move starts it has to finish? that doesn't really seem like the same thing as a straight up cap.

I know nothing about this, really, but it makes me glad he didn't get to do anything with this game.

edit - I don't remember sylem/fizban anymore, everyone has run together.

MMMig wrote: »

- Old haters coming to terms that they now have a soul (Vari, Dhaal, <3s to y'all)

Oh man, if Jaedong and DRG got in the same team... they could fusion into the end-all: Jae-Dong-Rae-Gu. The unspeakable name.

<3

and

<3

mastman · May 2012

itsweb wrote: »

is today allin day on the fucking ladder or what goddamn it

I know those days
all of a sudden its like
hello banshees and DTs and immo/zealot pushes
all on the same day

815165 · May 2012

I really hope zerg gets a greater variety of all ins next expansion.

edit: wait no i dont what the fuck was that, really

Variable · May 2012

it's your crisis management practice day

nony is streaming, doing a gate/stargate into expand build pvz currently. I'm curious.

3clipse · May 2012

Dropping Loads wrote: »

If you push roundhouse kick faster than I push roundhouse kick, there is an upper limit to how much the speed difference matters. At some point, we will be producing the same number of kicks per second, even if you are hitting the button twice as fast. Reaction time and anticipation are retained as individual player skills. Sirlin would argue that those are more "cerebral" skills than seeing whose finger can move the fastest. As a contrast, we know that a robot in SCII would never lose because of perfect micro while never dropping macro.

It's just a point of comparison. It depends on what you want the game to be about. Within human limits, I think it's fine that some people have more effective APM than others. Sirlin would argue that's like letting your opponent take 2 turns in a row in chess. For SCII, I'm fine with that.

See, I hate his position. I see it as analogous to saying that certain pitchers in baseball can only throw so fast. Or in american football a running back can only run so fast. Etc. It's a dumb arbitrary limit. Really impressive APM and multi-tasking are indicative of a very high level of skill/talent at the game, and capping them artificially just strikes me as completely ridiculous.

JAEF · May 2012

So, having not played Starcraft 2 in months, I had a Starcraft 2 dream tonight. I was playing against a zerg, we're getting into lategame and he sends 50 drones at me. "Oh shit, he's going to have a massive army, I still have like 60 food tied up in workers!" So I take all my probes on low resource bases and send them at him. I've got his small cluster of bases closed in, I begin a healthy cannon contain to back up my massive army. I finally finish setting up my cannons and suddenly realize I only have around 200 minerals left and oh my god he's sending zerglings into my only mining base which for some reason is right next to his and I only have 10 probes and they're all going to die and my units are too slow to get there to defend ahhh.

Then I woke up. Fuck zerg.

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