Yes. Batman and Robin is pretty good, although this first arc has been decompressed like woah.
Tomasi's GLC opener was also really decompressed, but also completely terrible.
It's strange because Tomasi's stories usually move a lot faster and have more going on.
Wait for the trade of issues 1-8, and then jump on with issue 9 during Night of the Owls. Hopefully it will pick up with the second arc, and the first arc will read much better collected.
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ArrynAsk not the InnkeeperFor destiny is thy name!Registered Userregular
IMO, B&R is easily the #2 Bat-book, in terms of quality. Both the art and the storytelling have been pretty top notch.
IMO, B&R is easily the #2 Bat-book, in terms of quality. Both the art and the storytelling have been pretty top notch.
This is logical and I support it as truth.
Also: More Matches Malone!
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Mike Danger"Diane..."a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered Userregular
Wasn't there a story arc a while back where the real Matches Malone turned up in Gotham? What happened with that? (It's probably been retconned by now or something but I'm still curious.)
Wasn't there a story arc a while back where the real Matches Malone turned up in Gotham? What happened with that? (It's probably been retconned by now or something but I'm still curious.)
IMO, B&R is easily the #2 Bat-book, in terms of quality. Both the art and the storytelling have been pretty top notch.
At the beginning I thought it was actually better than Batman, but then Batman went from good to crazy goddamn awesome.
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MaratastikJust call me Mara, please!Registered Userregular
Honestly, the two have been very close for me in terms of quality. Batman is really awesome right now, but I really really like Damian, so I found the last arc of B&R to be really interesting. I'd really have trouble determining which one I like better.
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MaratastikJust call me Mara, please!Registered Userregular
For me though, Batman even had the more meaningful scene with Damian. In issue 5 that broke my heart!
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
B&R #8 ends the arc the way it should end, where
Nobody is dead (Damian finger banged his head, (no really, he jammed his fingers into Ducard's brain), and while the two are recovering Bruce and Damian have a good talk where Bruce doesn't go all high and mighty, and basically accepts that Damian screwed up, Damian knows he screwed up in an attempt to find his own identity yet still be like his dad, and it works out.
I know Bruce will never kill, but it is nice to see him acknowledge that everybody else gets a mulligan and doesn't look to really waggle the finger of disappointment at Damian or possibly others.
Seriously....issue 8 was fantastic. With that ending I think B&R is my favorite opening arc in the new DCU.
It's pretty much exactly what needed to happen. You really get a sense of that father-son dynamic between Bruce and Damian. I'm really interested to see where they're going to go with those two. Damian is trying to overcome his own demons to be more like his father and Bruce is trying to learn how to be the father he never had while still remaining true to his creed as the Batman.
Not sure if spoiler, but to be safe,
The whole thing about Bruce finally letting go of his past with his own parents in order to become a better parent himself is super interesting. Considering that's all that made him Batman, him trying to let go of all that bitterness and regret to do better for his son is really cool. Though I do find it strange that all of his other surrogate sons (Dick, Jason, and Tim) didn't prompt him to do that even though they had a psuedo-parent child dynamic.
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ArrynAsk not the InnkeeperFor destiny is thy name!Registered Userregular
Seriously....issue 8 was fantastic. With that ending I think B&R is my favorite opening arc in the new DCU.
It's pretty much exactly what needed to happen. You really get a sense of that father-son dynamic between Bruce and Damian. I'm really interested to see where they're going to go with those two. Damian is trying to overcome his own demons to be more like his father and Bruce is trying to learn how to be the father he never had while still remaining true to his creed as the Batman.
Not sure if spoiler, but to be safe,
The whole thing about Bruce finally letting go of his past with his own parents in order to become a better parent himself is super interesting. Considering that's all that made him Batman, him trying to let go of all that bitterness and regret to do better for his son is really cool. Though I do find it strange that all of his other surrogate sons (Dick, Jason, and Tim) didn't prompt him to do that even though they had a psuedo-parent child dynamic.
You could look at it that way. Or it could also be:
that it's been an evolutionary process for Bruce. I know my parents made a lot more mistakes with me (oldest child) than with my siblings. Of all 4 Father-Son relationships Bruce has, his dynamic with Dick is probably the most "high functioning" in some ways, but even more dysfunctional in other ways than his relationship with Jason.
You could view it as Damien benefitting from lessons learned from Bruce's other relationships.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
That doesn't surprise me, 8 issues for Gleason with only one inker and then a fill-in. It kind of syncs up with his GLC work, I think he went 10 issues in a row during Blackest Night.
I do hate DC (and Marvel) pulling this stuff at the last minute, before order cutoffs. Looks like Capullo is the last man standing in the bat-verse.
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AriviaI Like A ChallengeEarth-1Registered Userregular
Jesus Saiz has gone 8 straight on BoP, so if he keeps going on wherever he got swapped to he's still in the running.
Speaking of BoP, the swap from 7 ending on a cliffhanger to an unrelated one-shot for 8 was a little jarring.
I started reading Batman with the Batman and Son arc because Damian seemed pretty cool and I didn't have nearly enough Batman stuff. So I got the 3 Batman and Robin volumes and just got Dark Knight, White Knight Because I heard it was the last of the Dick and Damian partnership.
So what comes after that? On amazon I found Batman Incorporated v1, The Court of Owls, and Batman and Robin (new 52). Do they follow any kind of order, or they kind of happen at the same time, or what? I'm used to buying Ultimate Spider-Man where there is one book and it is numbered for my convenience.
Well Batman Inc Volume 1 would be the next stuff after what you just read. Then the new 52 happened and a new writer took over Batman, and Batman and Robin. The final chapter of what you had read will start in May when Batman Inc starts again.
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"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
If you like Damian you should really read Batman and Robin 1-8. It is FANTASTIC. It also lays the groundwork for Bruce's and Damian's relationship. Also, Batman is really good too...but only one or two pages (I think) of Damian.
Against my better judgment, I'm buying into all the Night of the Owls books.
This week, I was really impressed with Batwing. I gave up on the series after three or four issues, and I probably won't pick it back up, but as a crossover side-story, it was good, and I like Marcus To's art.
Detective Comics, however, has retained its same level of bad. Tony Daniel's Batman is really off-putting. He's just wall-to-wall grit.
I burned out on comics for a few months, trying to take in all the new DCU stuff at once, but now I've caught up on, at least, Snyder's Batman. I never read Gates of Gotham, how related did that turn out to be to the current Court of Owls stuff? Is the relation/groundwork interesting and fun enough to go back for it?
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
Batman #9 question for longtime bat-fans:
Alfred's Dad, I don't remember much of him before the reboot, is he relatively new here (and is Jarvis really his name or a nod to Jarvis in Avengers?). I know with the sliding timeline they had to make Alfred not be a WWII dude who served since Bruce was a baby, I'm just trying to piece together where things stood for the big secret.
And one thing I liked about the issue, and hope it doesn't change, was that
March was a good guy all along, even with his dying words he kept balancing the idea he would be the evil mastermind or bad guy but he was still helping out. Hopefully Snyder doesn't do another twist and have him be the bad guy all along who was only made to look dead, etc.
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ArrynAsk not the InnkeeperFor destiny is thy name!Registered Userregular
So on Alfred
The part with him being a stage actor who left a promising career to come serve the Waynes has been part of his mythos for awhile. I'm pretty sure this is the first time we've actually seen (or heard the name of) his dad though.
I'm very much enjoying how all the tie-ins are working together, which I thought would be annoying at first. For example,
Bruce mentions there being an Owl-symbol above Gotham. I was confused on that until I read Batgirl. I'm looking forward to collecting all the tie-ins and reading them according to the "Time-stamps" they have at the beginning of each issue.
I'm really liking Damien lately. I think he is ready to carry his own book now, and not have it seem like ass compared to Tim Drake's Robin series.
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Mike Danger"Diane..."a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered Userregular
I picked up Batman and Robin volume 3 at the local comics store today, and I was really surprised to see they already have a hardcover collection of the Court of Owls stuff in.
Batman Inc. 4
• BATMAN and TALIA AL GHUL continue their fight for control of their son DAMIAN – better known as ROBIN!
• WINGMAN and REDBIRD descent upon GOTHAM CITY! Who are these heroes, and what is their relationship to THE DARK KNIGHT?
This issue is also offered as a combo pack edition with a redemption code for a digital download of this issue.
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Linespider5ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGERRegistered Userregular
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People are big on that.
What I am asking is should I be reading Batman and Robin
Tomasi's GLC opener was also really decompressed, but also completely terrible.
It's strange because Tomasi's stories usually move a lot faster and have more going on.
Wait for the trade of issues 1-8, and then jump on with issue 9 during Night of the Owls. Hopefully it will pick up with the second arc, and the first arc will read much better collected.
Batman Inc. 3
This is logical and I support it as truth.
Also: More Matches Malone!
Are you thinking of False Faces?
At the beginning I thought it was actually better than Batman, but then Batman went from good to crazy goddamn awesome.
I know Bruce will never kill, but it is nice to see him acknowledge that everybody else gets a mulligan and doesn't look to really waggle the finger of disappointment at Damian or possibly others.
It's pretty much exactly what needed to happen. You really get a sense of that father-son dynamic between Bruce and Damian. I'm really interested to see where they're going to go with those two. Damian is trying to overcome his own demons to be more like his father and Bruce is trying to learn how to be the father he never had while still remaining true to his creed as the Batman.
Not sure if spoiler, but to be safe,
You could look at it that way. Or it could also be:
You could view it as Damien benefitting from lessons learned from Bruce's other relationships.
"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
I do hate DC (and Marvel) pulling this stuff at the last minute, before order cutoffs. Looks like Capullo is the last man standing in the bat-verse.
Speaking of BoP, the swap from 7 ending on a cliffhanger to an unrelated one-shot for 8 was a little jarring.
"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
I started reading Batman with the Batman and Son arc because Damian seemed pretty cool and I didn't have nearly enough Batman stuff. So I got the 3 Batman and Robin volumes and just got Dark Knight, White Knight Because I heard it was the last of the Dick and Damian partnership.
So what comes after that? On amazon I found Batman Incorporated v1, The Court of Owls, and Batman and Robin (new 52). Do they follow any kind of order, or they kind of happen at the same time, or what? I'm used to buying Ultimate Spider-Man where there is one book and it is numbered for my convenience.
"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
If you like Damian you should really read Batman and Robin 1-8. It is FANTASTIC. It also lays the groundwork for Bruce's and Damian's relationship. Also, Batman is really good too...but only one or two pages (I think) of Damian.
This week, I was really impressed with Batwing. I gave up on the series after three or four issues, and I probably won't pick it back up, but as a crossover side-story, it was good, and I like Marcus To's art.
Detective Comics, however, has retained its same level of bad. Tony Daniel's Batman is really off-putting. He's just wall-to-wall grit.
O_O
That double page spread!
"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
And one thing I liked about the issue, and hope it doesn't change, was that
I'm very much enjoying how all the tie-ins are working together, which I thought would be annoying at first. For example,
Batman Inc. 4
• BATMAN and TALIA AL GHUL continue their fight for control of their son DAMIAN – better known as ROBIN!
• WINGMAN and REDBIRD descent upon GOTHAM CITY! Who are these heroes, and what is their relationship to THE DARK KNIGHT?
This issue is also offered as a combo pack edition with a redemption code for a digital download of this issue.
So,
EDIT: I can't read, tonight.