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The Falkland Islands: Or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Tell Argentina to STFU
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Ah, right. Yes, that makes sense.
Like France continuing to insist that French Guiana is totally a part of the French homeland.
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Even more obnoxious than Ceuta and Melilla are the 'sovereign territories'.. rocky outcroppings and small islands along the Moroccan coast with a handful of stationed military troops.
French Guiana would be a failed state within weeks of being granted independence of France, what with their economy being shit. So its not all one way.
At least the Falklands have got a small selfsufficent population with a viable if small economy. Sure the British government is financing it, but if not for Argentina, it would be a lot less then it is currently.
Would Argentina place any value on the Falklands if it wasn't for nationalist pride? Would all those offshore resources on the continental shelf in the Falklands Economic zone be used to benefit the people of the Falklands or would it all go to Buenos Aires?
I think not.
Since no one lived there between the Spanish abandoning the islands and the British setting up a port, I think you're on the right track.
There have been a few hundred years of population pressure and "Hey, would ya look at that nice view". Surely it would be currently populated regardless of the actions and settlements of the British.
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The Falklands? Probably not. There are lots of low-pop areas of Argentina that suck slightly but are still easier than the Falklands. Until Patagonia gets crowded, I don't think anyone except oil people would be on the Falklands.
French Guiana I don't know much about, but it seems to have completely different issues than either, and also to have had an original indigenous population.
The Falklands is not.
The only thing I can see that would make people side with Argentina is some kind of misplaced and overblown post-colonial guilt. But that may be unfair of me to think.
Wait, awesome compromise. Argentina can have the Falklands when they kneel to the Spanish again!
It is absolutely fair to think that. Show me one argument in Argentina's favour that doesn't boil down to Argentina re-writing history to fit their case and pretentious gooses swallowing it wholesale because "hell, whiteys been wrong in the past so they're wrong now!". Example: Sean fucking Penn, he may be the most high profile goose doing this but he's far from the only one.
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Spain's Med coast is pretty mental, or at least, the bits I've been to anyway. I took a bus between Malaga and Gibraltar in 08 or 09 (I forget) and that entire coast line (about 138 km door to door according to Google Maps) has housing built alongside it. I imagine a lot of it empty too. That was a pretty graphic demonstration about how important construction was to Spain until quite recently
Even now I rather suspect it's a pretty significant intel gathering point.
Don't forget its value as a tax shelter.
and the quaint British pubs! In Spain!
It is a lovely little port though, but standing on the Rock one can easily accept that the main port of Algiciras across the bay is better suited as a commercial port.
and the quaint British pubs! Near Spain!
It is a lovely little port though, but standing on the Rock one can easily accept that the main port of Algiciras across the bay is better suited as a commercial port.
Isn't that in Wales?
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Incidentally, as far as exposure to cultural diversity is concerned, yeah I think we don't really need Gibraltar for that when we have London.
It was slightly odd though, talking to an employee on the cable car about his time deployed in Ulster
The saga continues...
You should go to Israel. Everyone has a military story. A random bus driver will tell you how they send machinery without anyone knowing where it's going or where it's from (a brick on the accelerator and nobody behind the wheel) and the time he just decided to see where it was going for shits and giggles.
Prett slick, Cammo can be a pretty good troll when he wants to be, he has to tone it down for PMQ's.
Not suprised she had no retort of value, it's hard when you are not appealing to jingoist sentiment.
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Pretty much this. There is no middle ground to be reached here, the Falklands isn't a holiday villa, we can't do a time share soverignty agreement. It either belongs to the UK or it belongs to Argentina, both countries are set on their individual positions so I really don't see what purpose negotiations would serve.
I do actually have a small amount of praise for the way Cameron has adressed this because it's the only way to adress it. We're having a referendum, the inhabitants of the islands will let their will be known, if Argentina has any pretentions of being a democracy then they will have to accept whatever the results will be.
Personally, I predict when the referendum produces a pretty firm "fuck off Argentina", Kirchner will handwave it away and continue to babble incoherantly about a 50 year old resolution advising talks to take place. She honestly could not give less of a fuck what the islanders want, her government seems baffled by the entire concept of self determination.
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But hey guys, Sean Penn agree's with her!
Man, fuck Sean Penn. If Sean Penn said "oxygen is good" I'd seriously consider choking myself out of spite.
He lives on as cheezburger grease in our hearts.
He lives on as cheezburger grease in our hearts.