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The Obama Administration: Re-Elected! 332-206 (Probably)
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Well, the next time I have my time machine I'll go back to the 1870s and stop this kind of thing from happening then.
But I do agree with you.
Life isn't worth living without a jerb and the pursuit of wealth! Geez, you really do hate Amerka.
That's the point.
The people funding the conservative movement aren't stupid. The just don't want to spend the money necessary to fix the problems. So I guess in a sense they are stupid. Hmm
They aren't stupid, they simply don't care. These people know they are poisoning water tables, just like the coal power plant industry knows that coal tar is killing people. The fact of the matter is: They don't care, even a little bit. They live in mansions hundreds or thousands of miles away from these ecological disasters. Most of the people who live near frac sites and plants are lower income, or rural. The people in charge just...don't...care. They are willing to sacrifice a "handful" of human lives in the pursuit of profit. It's not their families directly effected.
If you forced CEO's and their families of a lot of these companies to live near where their company was doing work, they'd change their stance so fast your head would spin. Not that I support forcing people to live someplace, but you get my point.
I agree with you completely, of course, I just think it's a pretty stupid way to look at the world. If that makes sense.
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Iran was in the middle of the Iran-Iraq war. The Contras were a right wing guerilla (read terrorist) force that was committing war crimes and atrocities to overthrow the elected leftist government of Nicaragua. The Reagan Administration plotted in contravention of US law to secretly sell at a profit weapons to an enemy of the United States in order to fund a group of war criminals who were also declared enemies of the United States in contravention of US law. Iran was an enemy of the United States. The Contras were enemies of the United States. In violation of law using government assets in secret, they gave aid to enemies of the United States.
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That was my first thought too. Must be because I like boobs and looked for boobs and thought, "Man those boobs are weird."
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You were right, we can do it here.
I think you're partially right.
I think he does have a genuine personal conflict about the question of gay marriage. He's always been pro civil unions, but the party wants to go whole hog.
And now I'm reading that there are some progressive who are holding off donating money until the same sex marriage question gets the answer they want it to.
I think that the party will add it to the platform, but I'm not expecting Obama to voluntarily talk about it much.
It amazes me that the tide can turn this fast, not five years ago this kind of thing would've been unheard of. I think people forget that a lot.
1) Gay voters aren't going to vote Republican.
2) Blacks and Hispanics aren't keen on gay marriage.
3) Gays get thrown under the bus.
My guess is President Obama will quietly disregard the issue of gay marriage until 2013.
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Yet another terrorist goes down before being able to blow up Americans. That continues the string of 0 attacks from foreigners on American soil under the socialist nazi commie who hates America.
WHY DOES HE HATE AMERICA SO
I don't believe the party wants to go whole hog - Dems will lose a solid chunk of the black and hispanic vote if they do, for at least a couple of cycles.
If Obama believes the GOP will peel off 3-4% of the black vote as a result, gays will be thrown under the bus until after the election.
Because that just takes one more thing away from the GOP to use as a bludgeon or a wedge.
I get that the community wants a show of faith and friendship, but at the moment I can agree with the campaign keeping quiet.
The less wedges available to the GOP, the stronger the Campaign will be.
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They wouldn't vote for the GOP, they wouldn't show up. But it's not a motivating factor in minority communities, as far as I can tell. Actively working to ban gay marriage is a white people problem, minorities are more concerned with fundamental economic justice and what not. And for black people, not letting the first black President be voted out of office because the GOP made shit up about him.
I think you underestimate the level of anti-gay sentiment in the black community, particularly in the southern black community. a 4% hit would be significant and Obama needs everyone to show up at the polls this year.
There's a reason Obama supported Prop 8 during the 2008 election, and opposition to gay marriage is a component in GW Bush getting the level of support from southern black folks that he did.
Let me put it like this: people have been talking about how Texas might get a lot more purple this year - if Obama comes out for gay marriage he will lose East Texas Democrats, and the state will stay bright red.
2008 was different. He had to win primaries then.
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He more refused to actively campaign against it.
ok, well I guess I'd say that's different than supporting it
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He also allowed Prop 8 supporters to use his likeness in mailers.
Here is Obama back in 2008 dancing around the issue like crazy: http://www.queerty.com/obama-prop-8-unnecessary-but-doesnt-believe-in-gay-marriage-20081103/
There's this interesting angle as well, suggesting he succeeded in squaring the circle: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2008/11/props_to_obama.html
Took 15 seconds on Google. This shit isn't hard.
Yes, and he declined to stop it, unlike a couple of other instances where he did stop people from using it.
Don't be coy, we both know he was worried about depressing the black vote and did a good job of dodging the issue.
dodging isn't supporting, which is what you originally claimed
Bush lost the black vote 90-9 against Gore. He lost the black vote 88-11 when there was a national fuck the gays campaign going on. And that's obviously with a dull white candidate no one was enthusiastic about. And I won't even go into margin of error issues here.
EDIT: More facts: Dole got 12% of the black vote
HW got 10% against Clinton
And 10% against Dukakis.
Yeah, gay marriage has affected the black vote exactly not at all. It was stable for 20 years, and then Obama got about half the black Republicans to vote for him, either because they're more moderate and he did a good job winning black Republicans or the obvious historical reasons they might have decided to vote for him.
1) Evidence, please. Google is not helpful
2) Check the date. The election was in less than a week.
EDIT: Here's an entire article (with links to more!) about how the black vote doesn't really give a shit about gay marriage when evaluating candidates.
The best I can find for you EB is the slate article I already linked to, which showed both a strong surge in black participation in CA and a concurrent surge in support for prop 8. When you have a nontrivial cohort of new voters who support you and oppose gay marriage enough to vote for a ban, it's at least reasonable to conclude that gay marriage might factor into the political identity of that cohort.
Is it enough of a factor to cause that cohort to vote Romney? I'm going to guess no. Is it enough to turn them lukewarm on Obama and depress turnout, or at least contribute to a weakening of enthusiasm? I'm going to guess yes.
You'd think time would have dampened this, but you'd be wrong.
Turns out people aren't idiots, and look out for their interests.