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Avengers have assembled! (pretty much just the Marvel movie thread now with some comics)

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The PIT, level 26Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Interesting. Reading the wiki.
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    Re. the above spoiler (Avengers ending spoiler)
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  • Form of Monkey!Form of Monkey! Registered User regular
    Golden Yak wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Interesting. Reading the wiki.
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    Re. the above spoiler (Avengers ending spoiler)
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    Okay I'm confused. Those are DC properties, right, not Marvel?

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    Golden Yak wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Interesting. Reading the wiki.
    Spoiler:
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    Re. the above spoiler (Avengers ending spoiler)
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    Okay I'm confused. Those are DC properties, right, not Marvel?

    Yes, but
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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Golden Yak wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Interesting. Reading the wiki.
    Spoiler:
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    Re. the above spoiler (Avengers ending spoiler)
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    Okay I'm confused. Those are DC properties, right, not Marvel?
    Spoiler:

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Golden Yak wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Interesting. Reading the wiki.
    Spoiler:
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    Re. the above spoiler (Avengers ending spoiler)
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    Marvel already beat them to a "Justice League" movie with Avengers. Avengers spoiler
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  • AtomikaAtomika Hypercritical Queen Bitch of Cinema Registered User regular
    Golden Yak wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Interesting. Reading the wiki.
    Spoiler:
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    Re. the above spoiler (Avengers ending spoiler)
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    Okay I'm confused. Those are DC properties, right, not Marvel?

    Darkseid is basically the DC version of Marvel's Thanos, i.e., a giant ugly space-god who doesn't have much of a goal or plan beyond tearing shit up and making life miserable for everyone who isn't himself.

    They're actually pretty terrible villains, from the standpoint of being able to use them in a dynamic narrative. "Because I'm an evil bastard" is a fairly thin motivation.

  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Golden Yak wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Interesting. Reading the wiki.
    Spoiler:
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    Re. the above spoiler (Avengers ending spoiler)
    Spoiler:

    So far all the wiki plotline summaries I've read barely even mention the Avengers though. It's like
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    wat

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  • Form of Monkey!Form of Monkey! Registered User regular
    Ah OK, that's what I thought. I'm just unclear about the logistics of comic book universe crossovers. If it's even doable, if it's doable but prohibitively expensive, since the asking price to the rights to a character can often be too high, etc.

    I thought maybe somebody had new information regarding Disney's production company purchases. Pixar, Marvel...what's next, you know?

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    Ross, dude, spoiler that.

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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Registered User regular
    Golden Yak wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Interesting. Reading the wiki.
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    Re. the above spoiler (Avengers ending spoiler)
    Spoiler:

    Okay I'm confused. Those are DC properties, right, not Marvel?

    Darkseid is basically the DC version of
    Spoiler:
    , i.e., a giant ugly space-god who doesn't have much of a goal or plan beyond tearing shit up and making life miserable for everyone who isn't himself.

    They're actually pretty terrible villains, from the standpoint of being able to use them in a dynamic narrative. "Because I'm an evil bastard" is a fairly thin motivation.

    Hey, hey, hey...one of them clearly has motivation/goal:
    Spoiler:

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Spoiler:
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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Golden Yak wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Interesting. Reading the wiki.
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    Re. the above spoiler (Avengers ending spoiler)
    Spoiler:

    So far all the wiki plotline summaries I've read barely even mention the Avengers though. It's like
    Spoiler:

    wat
    Spoiler:

  • MatriasMatrias Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    In regards to a potential Justice League movie, Marvel pretty much shot DC in the foot before they could even start.
    Spoiler:

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  • Form of Monkey!Form of Monkey! Registered User regular
    Matrias wrote: »
    In regards to a potential Justice League movie, Marvel pretty much shot DC in the foot before they could even start.
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    A great observation. It is literally a comic book universe Space Race.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Matrias wrote: »
    In regards to a potential Justice League movie, Marvel pretty much shot DC in the foot before they could even start.
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    DC has many incredible villains, they just need to execute them well. It can be done like the Justice League, Teen Titans & Young Justice cartoons have proved.

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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Spoiler:

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  • MatriasMatrias Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Matrias wrote: »
    In regards to a potential Justice League movie, Marvel pretty much shot DC in the foot before they could even start.
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    DC has many incredible villains, they just need to execute them well. It can be done like the Justice League, Teen Titans & Young Justice cartoons have proved.
    They have serviceable villains, but aside from Luther or the Joker they don't have anything iconic like Marvel does. Meanwhile Marvel is rolling it in with guys Dr. Doom, Loki, Magneto, Red Skull, the Kingpin, and the Green Goblin.

    Shame Magneto, Doom, and Osborn are tied up in other studios.

    Matrias on
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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Golden Yak wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Interesting. Reading the wiki.
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    Re. the above spoiler (Avengers ending spoiler)
    Spoiler:

    So far all the wiki plotline summaries I've read barely even mention the Avengers though. It's like
    Spoiler:

    wat
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    Spoiler:

    Ringo wrote: »
    Well except what see317 said. That guy's always wrong.
  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    see317 wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Golden Yak wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Interesting. Reading the wiki.
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    Re. the above spoiler (Avengers ending spoiler)
    Spoiler:

    So far all the wiki plotline summaries I've read barely even mention the Avengers though. It's like
    Spoiler:

    wat
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    I agree with that. The next Avengers movie is supposed to be
    Spoiler:
    Matrias wrote: »
    They have serviceable villains, but aside from Luther or the Joker they don't have anything iconic like Marvel does. Meanwhile Marvel is rolling it in with guys Dr. Doom, Loki, Magneto, Red Skull, the Kingpin, and the Green Goblin.

    Shame Magneto, Doom, and Osborn are tied up in other studios.

    The only reason they aren't iconic yet is because they haven't been in good films. There's plenty with the potential to be the next Luthor or Magneto with the proper execution. WB/DC has made it easier over the last decade by giving the obscure super-villains places to show their stuff in animation. Smallville was hit and miss, with a few promising versions. It's a good first step to being iconic. The hard part is getting the film division to do their end competently, which they've failed miserably excluding Burton's & Nolan's Batman films and Superman 1 & 2.

    Doom, Magneto & Osborn being with another company is good for everybody. Marvel gets to reap the profits and keep their franchises going while they focus on brining the obscure super-villains to the public. It's already worked wonders with their films so far. I'd like to see the FF back eventually, Marvel's Doom would be incredible.

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    Civil War was a pretty bad story idea for the Marvel Universe. I am all for the team beating each other up in the traditional fashion over a misunderstanding, but I want to see them fucking up Kang, or Ultron, or the Masters of Evil at the end of the movie.

    I agree that Civil War doesn't really work in the MCU, at least for the foreseeable future.

    I would counter, however, that I do want to see Captain America beat the shit out of Iron Man.

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  • MatriasMatrias Registered User regular
    see317 wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Golden Yak wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Interesting. Reading the wiki.
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    Re. the above spoiler (Avengers ending spoiler)
    Spoiler:

    So far all the wiki plotline summaries I've read barely even mention the Avengers though. It's like
    Spoiler:

    wat
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    I agree with that. The next Avengers movie is supposed to be
    Spoiler:
    Matrias wrote: »
    They have serviceable villains, but aside from Luther or the Joker they don't have anything iconic like Marvel does. Meanwhile Marvel is rolling it in with guys Dr. Doom, Loki, Magneto, Red Skull, the Kingpin, and the Green Goblin.

    Shame Magneto, Doom, and Osborn are tied up in other studios.

    The only reason they aren't iconic yet is because they haven't been in good films. There's plenty with the potential to be the next Luthor or Magneto with the proper execution. WB/DC has made it easier over the last decade by giving the obscure super-villains places to show their stuff in animation. Smallville was hit and miss, with a few promising versions. It's a good first step to being iconic. The hard part is getting the film division to do their end competently, which they've failed miserably excluding Burton's & Nolan's Batman films and Superman 1 & 2.

    Doom, Magneto & Osborn being with another company is good for everybody. Marvel gets to reap the profits and keep their franchises going while they focus on brining the obscure super-villains to the public. It's already worked wonders with their films so far. I'd like to see the FF back eventually, Marvel's Doom would be incredible.
    Those Marvel villains were iconic before they were ever featured in films.

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    jdarksun wrote: »
    I think you mean "get his shit beat by", because there's no other way that makes sense.

    Nope.
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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Tomanta wrote: »
    jdarksun wrote: »
    I think you mean "get his shit beat by", because there's no other way that makes sense.

    Nope.
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  • ThisThis Registered User regular
    I think Cobie Smulders was great in the movie despite not having a big part.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    This wrote: »
    I think Cobie Smulders was great in the movie despite not having a big part.

    Agreed.

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus I didn't want to wake you up but I really want to show you somethingRegistered User regular
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  • Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    Was that fight after Extremis? Cause that makes it even more ludicrous.

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Was that fight after Extremis? Cause that makes it even more ludicrous.

    Yes. It's from the end of Civil War.
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  • MatriasMatrias Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
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    looking at the character at a really high-level, when who he is because he is the 'God of Evil'... Well, that is pretty simplistic and one-dimensional.

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  • ForarForar #432 Already prepping for Toronto Fan Expo!Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Mvrck wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    I learned that the only thing that can upstage the Tony Stark Show: Starring Tony Stark are Hulk Sight Gags.

    I kind of felt the USS Impractical jumped the shark. Giant flying cloaking air craft carrier? Can we have flaming skeletons with dice for eyes doing dirt bike tricks on it while Slash plays a sweet solo on guitar? Get the 8-year-old boy out of the brainstorming meeting for my superhero movie please.

    You are not allowed to brain storm for movies. Ever.


    I mean, completely disregarding it's established canon, was done superbly, and visually looked amazing, as well as actually feeling like a proper HQ...

    It is still a fucking cool idea.

    My favourite part was when my girlfriend leaned over and whispered "oh, is it a submarine too?"

    I didn't even try to hold back my glee when I simply replied "Nope."

    I did have to admit shortly thereafter that
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    Edit: and I now notice I'm responding to people from 7 pages back. Oh well, more of that; I too love Coulson.

    Forar on
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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    I had to remind mother who was after the credits, and that jogged her memory. She loved The Avengers back in the day.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Hypercritical Queen Bitch of Cinema Registered User regular
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    It's still a pretty hollow thing to build a narrative around.

    Even in The Avengers, the central villain has a personal stake in his plan, as well as a personal connection to the protagonists.

    I'm not saying you CAN'T build a good story around Darkseid or Thanos, but they don't immediately lend themselves to interesting character dynamics that can be imparted to an audience of actual human beings without significant tweaking of their modes and methods. Which is why stories with those guys always end up being compartmentalized and fought through proxies.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Atomic Ross:
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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    Okay, has no one made a wallpaper out of the veeeeeeery last scene yet? My Google-fu is turning up nothing.

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  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    The Chitauri really shouldn't have bought their weapons from the Trade Federation.
    Atomic Ross:
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    Just because Darkseid is the god of evil does not mean he doesn't have personality or depth.

    Darkseid's goal isn't just to dominate all life, it's to make his enemies see the weakness and hypocrisy of their own beliefs and to admit that they were wrong to hold such beliefs in the first place. He is not just a god who tempts or tricks people into committing evil, he is a force that unites the conflicting facets of one's nature and drives it toward a greater goal. His empire exists within the hearts and minds of all sentient beings and every man, woman, and child is a battlefield upon which he wages his war.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    The Chitauri really shouldn't have bought their weapons from the Trade Federation.
    Atomic Ross:
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    Just because Darkseid is the god of evil does not mean he doesn't have personality or depth.

    Darkseid's goal isn't just to dominate all life, it's to make his enemies see the weakness and hypocrisy of their own beliefs and to admit that they were wrong to hold such beliefs in the first place. He is not just a god who tempts or tricks people into committing evil, he is a force that unites the conflicting facets of one's nature and drives it toward a greater goal. His empire exists within the hearts and minds of all sentient beings and every man, woman, and child is a battlefield upon which he wages his war.

    The reason I keep saying
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    is superior is that he's more then what he began as.
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  • AtomikaAtomika Hypercritical Queen Bitch of Cinema Registered User regular
  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    Domination for domination's sake is a boring motivation.

    But does that really matter? The Joker causes chaos and death for its own sake but he's still an interesting villain.

  • AtomikaAtomika Hypercritical Queen Bitch of Cinema Registered User regular
    Domination for domination's sake is a boring motivation.

    But does that really matter? The Joker causes chaos and death for its own sake but he's still an interesting villain.

    Controlling something and destroying something are different things, and pretty much the Joker's whole shtick is how little anything matters.

    The Joker doesn't "cause death for its own sake." He causes chaos. Different things.

  • MvrckMvrck Registered User regular
    Domination for domination's sake is a boring motivation.

    But does that really matter? The Joker causes chaos and death for its own sake but he's still an interesting villain.

    Controlling something and destroying something are different things, and pretty much the Joker's whole shtick is how little anything matters.

    The Joker doesn't "cause death for its own sake." He causes chaos. Different things.

    With the Joker he'll kill or let live on any whim. He's random and out of control, especially his latest incarnation.

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