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Well coming from a post-Barthesian perspective, one could argue that his outside essays and views are intrinsic to the novel
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
@honk @sparvy @echo This is a Swedish accent, yes?
Okay, that would get annoying pretty quickly. Proposed solution: Footnote the especially dense stuff the same way you would older works technically written in English but still likely to confuse modern readers, like Shakespeare or Chaucer.
For reals. How is this an issue for anyone???
I know, it's totally a Somebody Else's Problem Field.
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I can't speak to the book being enriched (or diminished) by the inclusion.
What I'm saying is, nakedness is basically the default state for young children, especially in an environment without much adult supervision.
You're making it sound like he goes out of his way to mention their nakedness in detail. Which is simply not how I remember it.
As I recall, it was mentioned, in passing, perhaps one or two times.
i mean sure there was a columbus day and all and maybe as a 2nd grader he was deified
but in general it was pretty firmly instructed that we fucked them over, and they weren't clueless mooks
I wish I had some.
Beating on retards is not nice Sark.
Sentence seems clear to me, and I'm now interested in reading the book in question.
edit: of course, I liked the [Red | Green | Blue] Mars trilogy by ... Kim Robinson. Dry, but fascinating.
Come on Sarks, this is a puerile question and you know it. How was Gravity's Rainbow enriched by the relentless depictions of sexual perversion? Obviously Pynchon was the devil, and possibly the super-devil.
It's literature.
:^:
Yeah. I didn't like it as much the other couple of Mieville books I've read, but it might've been a bit ruined because I knew what was going on ahead of time. The City and the City was a fairly mediocre book, the others were awesome. The whole appeal is built around the unique setting.
Wait, what?
The relentless depictions of sexual perversion were entirely intentional methods of making a point.
If you'd suggest it's somehow analogous then you'd be implying that Orson Scott Card's inclusion of preteen male nudity was intentionally making a point.
So I ruined the book for myself
Thanks
ObamaWikipediain his pants.
The point can also be misconstrued or used for ends that revile the author (see: devil joke)
Which is any day now.
Pynchon's description of dominatrix poop was tough for young me to read.
Card was so brief in mentioning it that I didn't even notice it the first time I read it (Or I should say, listened to the audio book of it, since that's the first version of it that I experienced)
Origin ID: jazzmess
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Maybe, I don't know if that's really the reason I didn't care for it, it could just be part of a bigger issue. I've been on an epic quest to read all Hugo award winning novels, so it was on my list by default. I checked it on Wikipedia beforehand to see what it was about, and *bam* spoilers.
I guess the question that I'd ask is:
how old were you guys when you read Ender's Game?
Maybe it's not something you would've found strange at a younger age.
Whereas I listened to it a year or two ago.
I'm 34. I first listened to it a couple of years ago.
I also didn't sense any incestual overtones in the Valentine and Ender relationship. You want weird incestual overtones, watch River and Simon Tam.
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Yeah, I don't remember it in the least and I've read it a couple of times. Probably just me thinking "Okay, this is just how little kids behave" and immediately wiping it from my mind as an irrelevant detail. No big deal.
Proposed solution: Listen to The Crying of Lot G by Yo La Tengo and then make yourself a cocktail.
ALL OVER THAT LAKE
Uh seriously?
You thought River and Simon were incestual and Valentine and Ender weren't?
edit:
Well there's that scene at the end of Serenity, but I thought that was more "River is fucking creepy" and less "they want to do each other".
you know, if we're attaching literary sexual deviancy to authorial sexual deviancy