So you may have heard of a little movie that came out a couple weeks ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPoHPNeU9fc
It starts some people who you probably haven't heard of before:
And the rest
And the film recently made over a billion dollars in box office returns, from two weekends in 'Murica (though it has been out in Not America much longer)
But that's not all that's going on in the world of Marvel Comics, no sir it is not. There's some
cool cartoons and a couple possible live action shows such as the fast tracked Hulk show ABC could be airing soon (though perhaps Ruffalo less). A few of the other possible shows have, sadly, not been picked up.
LAST TIME, IN THE AVENGERS THREAD...
Phillishere and Atomic Ross were worried that a Punisher show would be hard to make, while Harry Dresden and FroThulhu were a bit more hopeful. We join our chatters for this conversation in progress...
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Although with the Avengers' new found profitability, he needs to have shitloads of cash raining out the window as he drives by.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
Audience enjoyment is what the rating and money-grossing is reflecting. 95 RT isn't a rating of quality, its the percentage of critics who liked it.
Not to offend, but that sounds kind of terrible.
Punisher just isn't the kind of character that even really fits in with the rest of the Marvel universe. What stakes are there to a rogue assassin going after a mid-level mob boss when rock monsters and Norse gods are out there battling aliens with cosmic powers?
Punisher should be street level, and in as realistic a context as you can hope for.
The recent spate of Marvel movies have sort of convinced me that this isn't a hard and fast rule, but in general, if its live action I think realism is what you should strive for. I'll take the Nolan films over the Burton Batmans any day.
Right. Nolan's tone in the Bat-films would be just peachy for a Punisher film or TV show, just with a little harder edge for the necessary R rating.
Agreed. I wouldn't be interested in a broadcast Punisher. He belongs right along side Sons of Anarchy or Breaking Bad on cable.
That's why he mainly stays street level in the comics. Occasionally he'll assist super-heroes, usually Spider-man or Daredevil, against super-villains and fight things out of his weight class on team titles he's in like Marvel Knights. These are exceptions, of course.
The film wasn't Iron Man and Friends, he was a major player but the other characters got proper screen time IMO. The script was excellent, everyone was written correctly (which is great for Black Widow), they all got their time to shine, the plot wasn't complex yet it wasn't needed the film was too busy letting the characters be the focus, brilliant special effects, the fight scenes were glorious to watch & it had funny moments. When did you find it campy? I didn't get that at all.
...hmmm, maybe it was just Captain America who was corny. I guess that is kinda his character.
True. I can understand why you'd think he's corny and those events. They definitely are comic booky, though the movie has various moments like that from several characters
Well, if you take the Punisher out of the MU at large, he's not so much the Punisher any more. What's been missing for me, among other things, from the Punisher movies is that there's really no indication of comicness. They've just been generic action movies, with a skull logo.
But whatevs. I'm waiting for Heroes for Hire, and I've made my dreamteam known.
Frank not being in the Marvel universe works better IMO. Less restrictions. Though I do like when he's butting heads with super-heroes.
It's like you live in Bizarro World. :shock:
But now I'll always know now that there was at least one dude who left the theater after watching the shitty Tom Jane Punisher going, "You know what you would have made that much better? Moon Knight."
I mean, the real world has Disney and Detroit.
True.
Yeah, but you'll notice neither of the Disney parks feature an area called, "PovertyLand!," littered with trash and hobos pushing shopping carts around.
We root for this psychopath to destroy every other psycho in his path, and in the comics that sometimes includes madmen wearing costumes.
Is this really what Punisher comics are about now?
No wonder I quit reading them.
To share the universe you'd need Daredevil or Spiderman. It's a damn shame that Marvel doesn't have Spiderman because Spidey can bridge that gap fairly well I think.
I don't think AMFA meant Frank was going to start participating in alien invasions or stopping
AMFA:
They have other heroes, like Moon Knight or Black Widow.
I don't mind in theory, but given that Frank will likely having nothing to do with any of that, folding him into the greater MCU just kind of seems like a needless fanwank.
This is what I meant.
I'm just into the potential juxtaposition of realism and fantasy that the Punisher, as a Marvel Comics character allows for.
It's all in the execution and the right characters & organizations. Grounded versions of Hydra, SHIELD should be fine. AIM, the Avengers & Thor wouldn't be. With Captain America it depends on how well they could make him work with the series.
Just because The Punisher gets shoehorned into the comic universe with the others doesn't mean it should be done in the movies, that'd just be poor in taste.
The comics have gone in crazy directions from Frank being resurrected to be an agent from heaven by angels to reborn a Frankenstein style monster. This is only a temporarily thing, which can be fun to read for a new take on the character. Nothing the tv series should explore, of course.
Amirite? Huh?
You know what I'm talkin' 'bout.
All I'm really saying is that if you had to have a Punisher TV show, it should be focused on just the Punisher and his immediate familiars, and the conflicts should be limited to political corruption and street-level crime. It should basically be The Wire meets The Sopranos.
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He's a man living among corrupt gods, and his only possible response is to shoot at them.
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Isn't the publisher's thing murdering or severely punishing the guilty? Doesn't seem like it would do well with a recurring cast like the sopranos. it doesn't seem like he could really have many inter personal conflicts with people, as he would be killing them all the time. Hard to have drama there.
I think part I the reason the avengers was so successful was that all the Pre quel movies fleshes out the characters. So even though the thor didnt get that much time, I get connected to his character and struggle with his brother. This wasn't true for everyone, but it made he movie a lot more enjoyable for me.
I just meant a more character-oriented approach where a lot of time is spent exploring the psyches of people who knowingly choose to do bad things.
"Watch out, Frank! Kingpin will shoot you with his golden moon laser! From a blimp! Quick, get to your snowmobile as fast as you can! And mind the alligators!"
I'm there.
"Oh . . Frank. Punish me."[/barbarabach]
Actually, his thing is to handle the manufacturing, distribution and advertising of various forms of entertainment media.
The Punisher, on the other hand...