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Shadowfire · June 2012

shryke wrote: »

Shadowfire wrote: »

am0n wrote: »

override367 wrote: »

Unfortunately I'm incapable of growing a beard anywhere above my navel

Bet you can grow more than I can.

I have a patchy five o'clock shadow.

The last time I shaved was nine or ten days ago.

Savour that time in your life.

Fast growing facial hair is not a blessing.

I'm over 30. It's not changing.

This seems like siblings... people like me without siblings wish we had one or two, the ones who have them wish they don't.

Cyrondin · June 2012

I have siblings, and i do enjoy having them.

Kai_San · June 2012

Is there anyone here that has experience with the G510 keyboard? We came into some "found" money and so I have been able to do a few upgrades. New speakers, mouse, keyboard and massively upgraded RAM.

I always liked the G keyboards with their screen, but I just want a reassurance that it might be worth it for the long haul.

Joshmvii · June 2012

My wife and I both have the G510. It's a great keyboard. I would only buy it if you're going to make use of the extra keys and all that stuff though, otherwise I don't think it'd be worth the cost.

LordOfMeep · June 2012

Speaking of logitech and their keyboards and gameboards with LCD screens, I noticed they added support for the screen in the last BWE. The screen displays stats and stuff, most of the time it was map completion stuff like waypoints, skill points, etc. Though otherwise it's just a nice little Guild Wars 2 logo. Dunno if it displays anything else in sPvP or WvW.

Kai_San · June 2012

Im sure I will find some use for macroable keys. Plus I know the screen will be very nice if not just for the voicechat support. And the sound controls seem boss. I had a keyboard with sound controls before but it was cheapo and they never worked right. Assuming they work, it seems like it would be awesome.

Also it was the update that the screen would be supported that prompted me to get one. However I dont know if its just the G19 (the big color screen) or if it supports older ones like the G510 I plan to get.

Also getting a G400 mouse. I am trying to stay cheap on mice and simply trying to upgrade to higher precision and more than 3 buttons.

LordOfMeep · June 2012

Well I'm using a G13, which has a similar screen, so I don't think you'll have any problems there.

Shadowfire · June 2012

Kai_San wrote: »

Is there anyone here that has experience with the G510 keyboard? We came into some "found" money and so I have been able to do a few upgrades. New speakers, mouse, keyboard and massively upgraded RAM.

I always liked the G keyboards with their screen, but I just want a reassurance that it might be worth it for the long haul.

My wife had one for a while and really liked it. We just replaced both of our keyboards with some nice mechanical ones, though. Never going back to non-clickety-clackety ones again.

Kai_San · June 2012

I need quiet keyboards for nighttime.

Angry · June 2012

The g510 is only a hundred bucks so the price isn't bad. I'm just wondering if the g19 would be worth it considering it's double the price.

My keyboards w and a are buggered and this things F1 keys are impossible to hit with any accuracy.

I was also looking at the razer keyboards priced around 100$

Marslo · June 2012

I'll propably dish out a few bucks for a new screen and keyboard.

Anyone else tryed to dual screen with gw2 ?

Kai_San · June 2012

Angry wrote: »

The g510 is only a hundred bucks so the price isn't bad. I'm just wondering if the g19 would be worth it considering it's double the price.

My keyboards w and a are buggered and this things F1 keys are impossible to hit with any accuracy.

I was also looking at the razer keyboards priced around 100$

I actually found the G510 on Amazon for 77 bucks. So that was basically a steal.

Syrionus · June 2012

Wassermelone wrote: »

Seriously. I did EVERYTHING in Queensdale and I was still underleveled.

There are other options. After I felt I finished the Norn starting area, I moved over to the Charr starting area. If needed, I would have moved over to the Human starting area.

shryke wrote:

There is also the issue, as you say, of people ignoring the background shit. But in GW2, much of that can be important. When an event starts, many NPCs run out and yell at passing players to go over and join in. It's a really neat system but it runs somewhat counter to the way people play (ie - they ignore background chatter) They might need to make the NPCs a bit more forceful or something.

Background chatter? I had NPC's run up to my face and say "Hey, we need your help." Hell, in the Charr starting area, I had one run up and order me to report to an area to defend it. The system works, people just choose to ignore it. Plus, like I said above, plenty of other areas to quest at.

Kai_San · June 2012

And crafting, dont forget crafting.

Huggles · June 2012

The design could still be improved. We know all of these are options because we've been salivating over this game for years. Doesn't mean that a completely new player is going to know about them. The NPCs running up to you telling you about stuff happening is a step in the right direction, but there's still nothing to indicate crafting is even a thing beyond curiosity at strange symbols on the map. For that, and for informing players that they can access the other races' starting areas for free from the moment they step outside of their first instance, there still could be some improvement.

Wassermelone · June 2012

Syrionus wrote: »

Wassermelone wrote: »

Seriously. I did EVERYTHING in Queensdale and I was still underleveled.

There are other options. After I felt I finished the Norn starting area, I moved over to the Charr starting area. If needed, I would have moved over to the Human starting area.

As I've said before, although thats what I eventually did, its not at all intuitive and is not good design. Fortunately, fixing the xp curve is probably easier than implementing enough tutorial content to make it clear that going to another starter area is what you should do.

If an area says its 1-17, it should take you from 1 to 17. Which the Norn and Charr areas do. So I'm REALLY not sure why people are trying to argue that the human area is fine when we already have two examples that ARE fine and as such can clearly be done.

Bullhead · June 2012

Wassermelone wrote: »

Syrionus wrote: »

Wassermelone wrote: »

Seriously. I did EVERYTHING in Queensdale and I was still underleveled.

There are other options. After I felt I finished the Norn starting area, I moved over to the Charr starting area. If needed, I would have moved over to the Human starting area.

As I've said before, although thats what I eventually did, its not at all intuitive and is not good design. Fortunately, fixing the xp curve is probably easier than implementing enough tutorial content to make it clear that going to another starter area is what you should do.

If an area says its 1-17, it should take you from 1 to 17. Which the Norn and Charr areas do. So I'm REALLY not sure why people are trying to argue that the human area is fine when we already have two examples that ARE fine and as such can clearly be done.

Also, you are not intended to have to go to the other areas to level - you should be able to level properly in your own races zones without needing to jump around to other areas. The human zones are not tuned right, and they now know this. Beta is beta and all that. I would expect to see some adjustments to the human zones in the next bwe.

shryke · June 2012

Syrionus wrote: »

shryke wrote:

There is also the issue, as you say, of people ignoring the background shit. But in GW2, much of that can be important. When an event starts, many NPCs run out and yell at passing players to go over and join in. It's a really neat system but it runs somewhat counter to the way people play (ie - they ignore background chatter) They might need to make the NPCs a bit more forceful or something.

Background chatter? I had NPC's run up to my face and say "Hey, we need your help." Hell, in the Charr starting area, I had one run up and order me to report to an area to defend it. The system works, people just choose to ignore it. Plus, like I said above, plenty of other areas to quest at.

Anything talking in the world I didn't initiate is background chatter. It's no different then the NPC running through his conversation next to the crafting stations I tuned out. That's what people do.

Hewn · June 2012

I like the kids in the street yelling LIGHTNING BOLT! LIGHTNING BOLT!

Marslo · June 2012

Wassermelone wrote: »

Syrionus wrote: »

Wassermelone wrote: »

Seriously. I did EVERYTHING in Queensdale and I was still underleveled.

There are other options. After I felt I finished the Norn starting area, I moved over to the Charr starting area. If needed, I would have moved over to the Human starting area.

As I've said before, although thats what I eventually did, its not at all intuitive and is not good design. Fortunately, fixing the xp curve is probably easier than implementing enough tutorial content to make it clear that going to another starter area is what you should do.

If an area says its 1-17, it should take you from 1 to 17. Which the Norn and Charr areas do. So I'm REALLY not sure why people are trying to argue that the human area is fine when we already have two examples that ARE fine and as such can clearly be done.

se
I really don't know what to tell you. I only pveed and stayed in the human starting zone the whole time. Entered kjesses hills around level 18. I really didn't experience any proplemes with the experience.

But if I could throw in my two cents the only time if felt frustrated by a zone/gameplay was when I tried to rush to level 35, with other people last beta weekend. Only advice I'd have for you is stop trying to chase a level and just stop to enjoy the zone. At least that what I did and the only time iv seen there was a proplemes with experience is when other people brought it up.

Darkewolfe · June 2012

shryke wrote: »

Syrionus wrote: »

shryke wrote:

There is also the issue, as you say, of people ignoring the background shit. But in GW2, much of that can be important. When an event starts, many NPCs run out and yell at passing players to go over and join in. It's a really neat system but it runs somewhat counter to the way people play (ie - they ignore background chatter) They might need to make the NPCs a bit more forceful or something.

Background chatter? I had NPC's run up to my face and say "Hey, we need your help." Hell, in the Charr starting area, I had one run up and order me to report to an area to defend it. The system works, people just choose to ignore it. Plus, like I said above, plenty of other areas to quest at.

Anything talking in the world I didn't initiate is background chatter. It's no different then the NPC running through his conversation next to the crafting stations I tuned out. That's what people do.

And you are playing the game wrong!

steejee · June 2012

Marslo wrote: »

Wassermelone wrote: »

Syrionus wrote: »

Wassermelone wrote: »

Seriously. I did EVERYTHING in Queensdale and I was still underleveled.

There are other options. After I felt I finished the Norn starting area, I moved over to the Charr starting area. If needed, I would have moved over to the Human starting area.

As I've said before, although thats what I eventually did, its not at all intuitive and is not good design. Fortunately, fixing the xp curve is probably easier than implementing enough tutorial content to make it clear that going to another starter area is what you should do.

If an area says its 1-17, it should take you from 1 to 17. Which the Norn and Charr areas do. So I'm REALLY not sure why people are trying to argue that the human area is fine when we already have two examples that ARE fine and as such can clearly be done.

se
I really don't know what to tell you. I only pveed and stayed in the human starting zone the whole time. Entered kjesses hills around level 18. I really didn't experience any proplemes with the experience.

But if I could throw in my two cents the only time if felt frustrated by a zone/gameplay was when I tried to rush to level 35, with other people last beta weekend. Only advice I'd have for you is stop trying to chase a level and just stop to enjoy the zone. At least that what I did and the only time iv seen there was a proplemes with experience is when other people brought it up.

I had the same issue with Queensland - when I reached the point where there were no more hearts to grab, and I didn't see any event nearby, I looked for where to go next, and saw that the next two zones where both a few levels up from me. It doesn't need a *huge* XP change, but given that I did every DE I ran across (golding typically in participation) I shouldn't have been coming up short.

am0n · June 2012

Marslo wrote: »

Wassermelone wrote: »

Syrionus wrote: »

Wassermelone wrote: »

Seriously. I did EVERYTHING in Queensdale and I was still underleveled.

There are other options. After I felt I finished the Norn starting area, I moved over to the Charr starting area. If needed, I would have moved over to the Human starting area.

As I've said before, although thats what I eventually did, its not at all intuitive and is not good design. Fortunately, fixing the xp curve is probably easier than implementing enough tutorial content to make it clear that going to another starter area is what you should do.

If an area says its 1-17, it should take you from 1 to 17. Which the Norn and Charr areas do. So I'm REALLY not sure why people are trying to argue that the human area is fine when we already have two examples that ARE fine and as such can clearly be done.

se
I really don't know what to tell you. I only pveed and stayed in the human starting zone the whole time. Entered kjesses hills around level 18. I really didn't experience any proplemes with the experience.

But if I could throw in my two cents the only time if felt frustrated by a zone/gameplay was when I tried to rush to level 35, with other people last beta weekend. Only advice I'd have for you is stop trying to chase a level and just stop to enjoy the zone. At least that what I did and the only time iv seen there was a proplemes with experience is when other people brought it up.

I am in the same boat as Marslo on Queensdale. I did do some crafting (maybe had Armorsmithing up to like 50 by time I left Queensdale), but otherwise didn't touch wuwuv until after Queensdale and exited the area around 18 or 19.

Now, this was BWE1 (as I imagine it was the same for Marslo). And people have mentioned it seems like a BWE1 -> BWE2 change. If you cannot currently get close to 15 or 17 (or whatever level the next zone is) just doing all the hearts, passing DEs, and story quests, it does need to be tuned.

Huggles · June 2012

Hewn wrote: »

I like the kids in the street yelling LIGHTNING BOLT! LIGHTNING BOLT!

I couldn't help but imagine them throwing coloured beanbags at each other.

Joshmvii · June 2012

I didn't do queensdale in BWE1, but in BWE2 the tuning wasn't good, period. Doing every heart in order and all personal story, and doing every dynamic event you see should have you in line for exp, and for me, the next hearts I could do were recommended level 10 and I had JUST turned level 7. If the problem was not enough dynamic events popping up, that's cool, they just need to make more of them happen. In BWE1 I never had any sort of issue in the Charr area.

I also kill basically every enemy I pass by even if it's not part of a DE/heart, just because my thief is awesome and I like the fighting in GW2. Just beta, so I'm sure they'll get the tuning better.

Xagar · June 2012

You're probably leveling slower because you keep stopping to kill things.

Darkewolfe · June 2012

I had limited experience, but two hours as a human in BWE2 Queensdale definitely was slower leveling than two hours as Norn in BWE1. I would say, actually, that I'm pretty sure I encountered dynamic events significantly less often as a human. As a Norn I seemed to be constantly ending up in them accidentally. As a human that wasn't true. Also, the Norn events seemed to make me travel further during them. For instance, lots would lead you down into caves. This would lead to you staying engaged with mobs more often, and more likely to follow on with the next quest. The above ground ones made it more likely that you'd actually wander off.

Dr_Keenbean · June 2012

Marslo wrote: »

I'll propably dish out a few bucks for a new screen and keyboard.

Anyone else tryed to dual screen with gw2 ?

Since it looks like no one else touched on this, I have a dual monitor setup. I don't span games across the 2 because ew. But I generally run all games in a fullscreen window so I can easily manage internets surfing and music/netflix management.

Can't comment on how this would affect performance if your system isn't up to par. I imagine it would?

Arryn · June 2012

Dr_Keenbean wrote: »

Marslo wrote: »

I'll propably dish out a few bucks for a new screen and keyboard.

Anyone else tryed to dual screen with gw2 ?

Since it looks like no one else touched on this, I have a dual monitor setup. I don't span games across the 2 because ew. But I generally run all games in a fullscreen window so I can easily manage internets surfing and music/netflix management.

Can't comment on how this would affect performance if your system isn't up to par. I imagine it would?

I've got my hdtv set up as a dual screen. This past BWE I threw GW2 up there so my wife could check it out without having to constantly look over my shoulder.

I experienced no decline in performance, but my system's only about a year or so old.

Darkewolfe · June 2012

Arryn wrote: »

Dr_Keenbean wrote: »

Marslo wrote: »

I'll propably dish out a few bucks for a new screen and keyboard.

Anyone else tryed to dual screen with gw2 ?

Since it looks like no one else touched on this, I have a dual monitor setup. I don't span games across the 2 because ew. But I generally run all games in a fullscreen window so I can easily manage internets surfing and music/netflix management.

Can't comment on how this would affect performance if your system isn't up to par. I imagine it would?

I've got my hdtv set up as a dual screen. This past BWE I threw GW2 up there so my wife could check it out without having to constantly look over my shoulder.

I experienced no decline in performance, but my system's only about a year or so old.

Were you mirroring or running an extended monitor?

Arryn · June 2012

Darkewolfe wrote: »

Arryn wrote: »

Dr_Keenbean wrote: »

Marslo wrote: »

I'll propably dish out a few bucks for a new screen and keyboard.

Anyone else tryed to dual screen with gw2 ?

Since it looks like no one else touched on this, I have a dual monitor setup. I don't span games across the 2 because ew. But I generally run all games in a fullscreen window so I can easily manage internets surfing and music/netflix management.

Can't comment on how this would affect performance if your system isn't up to par. I imagine it would?

I've got my hdtv set up as a dual screen. This past BWE I threw GW2 up there so my wife could check it out without having to constantly look over my shoulder.

I experienced no decline in performance, but my system's only about a year or so old.

Were you mirroring or running an extended monitor?

Good point. Usually it's set up as extended, but I was mirroring for that particular instance.

riz · June 2012

I suddenly find myself super excited about this game.

Question: if I never bothered playing GW in the past, is it worth picking up all these years later in the meantime just to check it out? Or will I just be annoyed at outdated mechanics and not being able to jump and all that?

Darkewolfe · June 2012

riz wrote: »

I suddenly find myself super excited about this game.

Question: if I never bothered playing GW in the past, is it worth picking up all these years later in the meantime just to check it out? Or will I just be annoyed at outdated mechanics and not being able to jump and all that?

You will PROBABLY be super annoyed by the outdated mechanics. You absolutely have to spend a decent chunk of time reading the wiki on every little thing you try to do to be particularly successful in GW1. You have to look up builds and hero builds and understand why you can't buy this particular item from certain players for plat, because they want ecto, and the price on ecto always fluctuates, BUT THE CONVERSION BETWEEN ITEMS NEVER CHANGES WHY IS THIS?, and WHY IS IT LIKE 50 PLAT FOR THAT, I NEED THAT, and WHY DID I WIPE ON THE LAST BOSS HERE THIS IS BULLSHIT.

Granted, I have been playing the crap out of GW1. But it's a challenge. Also, you'd probably end up wanting to dump at least $40 to get all the packs and eye of the north so you could get some of the cosmetic items for your GW2 account.

ironzerg · June 2012

riz wrote: »

I suddenly find myself super excited about this game.

Question: if I never bothered playing GW in the past, is it worth picking up all these years later in the meantime just to check it out?

No.

riz wrote: »

Or will I just be annoyed at outdated mechanics and not being able to jump and all that?

Yes.

I had a friend try to explain to me that the best thing I can do to stay excited about GW2 is NOT play GW1.

Darkewolfe · June 2012

Yeah, GW1 is not GW2. They are not even remotely similar games in terms of gameplay. The only thing that carries over is plot.

Dr_Keenbean · June 2012

Darkewolfe wrote: »

Yeah, GW1 is not GW2.

They really need this as part of their marketing. Make it a subtitle or something.

GW2: Totally Not Like GW1

The GW name is what kept me from bothering to look into 2 for so long, and boy am I glad I bothered.

steejee · June 2012

For a movie comparison, think Alien VS Aliens. Both good in their own right, clearly part of the same series and mythos, but completely different in every other way.

ironzerg · June 2012

Dr_Keenbean wrote: »

Darkewolfe wrote: »

Yeah, GW1 is not GW2.

They really need this as part of their marketing. Make it a subtitle or something.

GW2: Totally Not Like GW1

The GW name is what kept me from bothering to look into 2 for so long, and boy am I glad I bothered.

No shit. Same here. I, for some random reason, stumbled upon the Manifesto video, and then my life changed...I've been trying to make as much noise about it as possible soley for that reason.

Hewn · June 2012

Like you guys, the manifesto video swayed my opinion. I wasn't big on Guild Wars, so Guild Wars 2 didn't even get my attention until 2012.

I've had to tell all my friends it's not GW1. I compare it to the Tim Burton Batman vs the Christopher Nolan Batman.

steejee · June 2012

Hewn wrote: »

Like you guys, the manifesto video swayed my opinion. I wasn't big on Guild Wars, so Guild Wars 2 didn't even get my attention until 2012.

I've had to tell all my friends it's not GW1. I compare it to the Tim Burton Batman vs the Christopher Nolan Batman.

If you want to add more weight to that comparison, use 'Joel Schumacher Batman' instead =)

(Granted, I liked GW1, but a lot of people loathe it, so not a bad idea to sink it a little)

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