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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    BSoB wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Mortious wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Do you believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God and died to save mankind from their sins?

    If you answered yes, you are a Christian.

    Sorry, but any sort of (im)moral behavior does not somehow exclude a person from being a Christian. In fact, it's kind of a big deal in Christianity about how you can be a terrible person and still be saved.

    Seriously, man, you either really know nothing about Christianity or you've purposefully warped it. Answering yes to that is like Step 1 of over 1,000,000 and yeah they're probably gonna make mistakes on the whole "be a better person" route. Granted some of those mistakes are deal breakers for me too, see above story, but that still doesn't mean the whole group goes down.

    What are the 999,999 other steps to being a Christian?

    I think you're misinterpreting my point about what it takes to be a Christian, which is that being a Christian says pretty much nothing else about what you do as a person, unless you explicitly point out that you're doing X because "the Bible says so". Which brings me to my other point, about the Bible being a moral mirror.

    Step 2: Don't be a dick.

    While that's certainly something Jesus preached, it's not required that you be a nice person to be a Christian. I'm not talking about what sort of guidelines people are supposed to follow to be "a good Christian", I'm talking strict definitions here. A true Scotsman comes from Scotland; it doesn't matter if he puts sugar in his porridge, if he's a dick, or if he's a teetotaler. Some of those things might make people consider him to not be much of a Scotsman, but a Scotsman he would be nonetheless.

    The second best thing about this is that the wiki article on no true Scotsman, specifically list religion under its "Mis-attributing the Fallacy" section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman

    The best thing about this is, i get to call this a not true "no true Scotsman".

    Religion is even more complicated, since there's so many different religious sects, and often religion is defined in one's own personal way. So saying "No True Christian ..." is not necessarily a "No True Scotsman" fallacy if the person making the statement defines their religion in such a way that really does preclude people who they do not deem to be "True Christians".

    It doesn't invalidate my definition, it just means that some peoples' definition of Christian are more personalized and aren't as widely applicable. And as I've said previously, not behaving in "a Christian manner" does not mean one is not a Christian.

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  • BSoBBSoB Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    BSoB wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Mortious wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Do you believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God and died to save mankind from their sins?

    If you answered yes, you are a Christian.

    Sorry, but any sort of (im)moral behavior does not somehow exclude a person from being a Christian. In fact, it's kind of a big deal in Christianity about how you can be a terrible person and still be saved.

    Seriously, man, you either really know nothing about Christianity or you've purposefully warped it. Answering yes to that is like Step 1 of over 1,000,000 and yeah they're probably gonna make mistakes on the whole "be a better person" route. Granted some of those mistakes are deal breakers for me too, see above story, but that still doesn't mean the whole group goes down.

    What are the 999,999 other steps to being a Christian?

    I think you're misinterpreting my point about what it takes to be a Christian, which is that being a Christian says pretty much nothing else about what you do as a person, unless you explicitly point out that you're doing X because "the Bible says so". Which brings me to my other point, about the Bible being a moral mirror.

    Step 2: Don't be a dick.

    While that's certainly something Jesus preached, it's not required that you be a nice person to be a Christian. I'm not talking about what sort of guidelines people are supposed to follow to be "a good Christian", I'm talking strict definitions here. A true Scotsman comes from Scotland; it doesn't matter if he puts sugar in his porridge, if he's a dick, or if he's a teetotaler. Some of those things might make people consider him to not be much of a Scotsman, but a Scotsman he would be nonetheless.

    The second best thing about this is that the wiki article on no true Scotsman, specifically list religion under its "Mis-attributing the Fallacy" section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman

    The best thing about this is, i get to call this a not true "no true Scotsman".

    Religion is even more complicated, since there's so many different religious sects, and often religion is defined in one's own personal way. So saying "No True Christian ..." is not necessarily a "No True Scotsman" fallacy if the person making the statement defines their religion in such a way that really does preclude people who they do not deem to be "True Christians".

    It doesn't invalidate my definition, it just means that some peoples' definition of Christian are more personalized and aren't as widely applicable. And as I've said previously, not behaving in "a Christian manner" does not mean one is not a Christian.

    Both of your definitions are valid, which is the point. You and others in the thread were trying to imply that calling bigot "not a true christian" was a "no true Scotsman" fallacy, it is not.

  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    In a couple of weeks I'll be in lovely Canada and won't have to deal with a lot of this gay-hatin' BS 8-)

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    BSoB wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    BSoB wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Mortious wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Do you believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God and died to save mankind from their sins?

    If you answered yes, you are a Christian.

    Sorry, but any sort of (im)moral behavior does not somehow exclude a person from being a Christian. In fact, it's kind of a big deal in Christianity about how you can be a terrible person and still be saved.

    Seriously, man, you either really know nothing about Christianity or you've purposefully warped it. Answering yes to that is like Step 1 of over 1,000,000 and yeah they're probably gonna make mistakes on the whole "be a better person" route. Granted some of those mistakes are deal breakers for me too, see above story, but that still doesn't mean the whole group goes down.

    What are the 999,999 other steps to being a Christian?

    I think you're misinterpreting my point about what it takes to be a Christian, which is that being a Christian says pretty much nothing else about what you do as a person, unless you explicitly point out that you're doing X because "the Bible says so". Which brings me to my other point, about the Bible being a moral mirror.

    Step 2: Don't be a dick.

    While that's certainly something Jesus preached, it's not required that you be a nice person to be a Christian. I'm not talking about what sort of guidelines people are supposed to follow to be "a good Christian", I'm talking strict definitions here. A true Scotsman comes from Scotland; it doesn't matter if he puts sugar in his porridge, if he's a dick, or if he's a teetotaler. Some of those things might make people consider him to not be much of a Scotsman, but a Scotsman he would be nonetheless.

    The second best thing about this is that the wiki article on no true Scotsman, specifically list religion under its "Mis-attributing the Fallacy" section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman

    The best thing about this is, i get to call this a not true "no true Scotsman".

    Religion is even more complicated, since there's so many different religious sects, and often religion is defined in one's own personal way. So saying "No True Christian ..." is not necessarily a "No True Scotsman" fallacy if the person making the statement defines their religion in such a way that really does preclude people who they do not deem to be "True Christians".

    It doesn't invalidate my definition, it just means that some peoples' definition of Christian are more personalized and aren't as widely applicable. And as I've said previously, not behaving in "a Christian manner" does not mean one is not a Christian.

    Both of your definitions are valid, which is the point. You and others in the thread were trying to imply that calling bigot "not a true christian" was a "no true Scotsman" fallacy, it is not.

    It is when the goal posts for the definition of a Christian were being moved, which they were.

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    I'm going to be done with the are they/aren't they Christian business now, as we're approaching CFA levels of side-topic.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Have we talked about this:
    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/08/08/655951/bryan-fischer-children-of-same-sex-couples-must-be-saved-through-underground-railroad-kidnapping/
    The American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer has sunk to a new, disturbing low with his anti-gay statements. In two separate tweets last night, he called for an “Underground Railroad to deliver innocent children from same-sex households.” In one tweet he was referring to the sad story of Lisa Miller, who, after declaring herself ex-gay, kidnapped her daughter away to Central America to prevent her former partner from having any custody. (She is still being tracked by federal agents as a fugitive of the law.)

    ...
    So crazy.

  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom It's a brand new day and the sun is high All the birds are singing that you're gonna dieRegistered User regular
    This was messed up too

    Basically, the dude had his birthday over the weekend, and came back the next day with photos of his busted up face that he put on Facebook and gave to police, saying he was beaten by 3 guys because he was gay. He convinced the whole Internet of this, and then a video came out proving that he actually suffered the injury attempting a backflip off a curb.

  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    This was messed up too

    Basically, the dude had his birthday over the weekend, and came back the next day with photos of his busted up face that he put on Facebook and gave to police, saying he was beaten by 3 guys because he was gay. He convinced the whole Internet of this, and then a video came out proving that he actually suffered the injury attempting a backflip off a curb.

    So, attention whore?

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Registered User regular
    BSoB wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Mortious wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Do you believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God and died to save mankind from their sins?

    If you answered yes, you are a Christian.

    Sorry, but any sort of (im)moral behavior does not somehow exclude a person from being a Christian. In fact, it's kind of a big deal in Christianity about how you can be a terrible person and still be saved.

    Seriously, man, you either really know nothing about Christianity or you've purposefully warped it. Answering yes to that is like Step 1 of over 1,000,000 and yeah they're probably gonna make mistakes on the whole "be a better person" route. Granted some of those mistakes are deal breakers for me too, see above story, but that still doesn't mean the whole group goes down.

    What are the 999,999 other steps to being a Christian?

    I think you're misinterpreting my point about what it takes to be a Christian, which is that being a Christian says pretty much nothing else about what you do as a person, unless you explicitly point out that you're doing X because "the Bible says so". Which brings me to my other point, about the Bible being a moral mirror.

    Step 2: Don't be a dick.

    While that's certainly something Jesus preached, it's not required that you be a nice person to be a Christian. I'm not talking about what sort of guidelines people are supposed to follow to be "a good Christian", I'm talking strict definitions here. A true Scotsman comes from Scotland; it doesn't matter if he puts sugar in his porridge, if he's a dick, or if he's a teetotaler. Some of those things might make people consider him to not be much of a Scotsman, but a Scotsman he would be nonetheless.

    The second best thing about this is that the wiki article on no true Scotsman, specifically list religion under its "Mis-attributing the Fallacy" section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman

    The best thing about this is, i get to call this a not true "no true Scotsman".

    The discussion part is basically nonsense, but that's hardly unexpected from a non specialist encyclopedia.

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  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Have we talked about this:
    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/08/08/655951/bryan-fischer-children-of-same-sex-couples-must-be-saved-through-underground-railroad-kidnapping/
    The American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer has sunk to a new, disturbing low with his anti-gay statements. In two separate tweets last night, he called for an “Underground Railroad to deliver innocent children from same-sex households.” In one tweet he was referring to the sad story of Lisa Miller, who, after declaring herself ex-gay, kidnapped her daughter away to Central America to prevent her former partner from having any custody. (She is still being tracked by federal agents as a fugitive of the law.)

    ...
    So crazy.

    That's a sad story. And would be just as fucked up if one of the parents had happened to have a penis. AFA's ideas of an underground railroad is ridiculous.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    This was messed up too

    Basically, the dude had his birthday over the weekend, and came back the next day with photos of his busted up face that he put on Facebook and gave to police, saying he was beaten by 3 guys because he was gay. He convinced the whole Internet of this, and then a video came out proving that he actually suffered the injury attempting a backflip off a curb.

    (facepalm)

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  • shrykeshryke Registered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Ironically, I chiefly use my RayBans to "hide" the fact that my eyes are frequently staring at boobies.

    I thought thats the main use of sunglasses in general

    Nah, some of us are freaking vampires and can't expose our eyes directly to sunlight without mad squinting.

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  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    A friend of mine posted this to his Facebook:



    I've said it before, and I'll say it again: There is no organization that poses a greater threat to gay rights than the Catholic Church.

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  • InfidelInfidel It's not Infidel, it's INNNNNFIDELRegistered User regular
    Wow, "vote right or you'll burn in hell." :^:

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    Melkster wrote: »
    A friend of mine posted this to his Facebook:



    I've said it before, and I'll say it again: There is no organization that poses a greater threat to gay rights than the Catholic Church.

    There needs to be a parody movie of that with the background music replaced with kazoos.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    I'm getting a "Pope Pedophile-Nazi is ALSO Sauron" vibe off this.

    Seriously, why doesn't the Catholic Church pay taxes again?

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    Stuff that looks like hot pokers really shouldn't be the imagery they're going for there.

    If that woman's cleavedge made one more person pick the game up off the shelf, it was a net positive for microprose. And to be blunt, if taking her top off could have increased sales enough to get a sequel, I'd endorse it 100000% because I like playing great games.
  • XobyteXobyte Registered User regular
    Melkster wrote: »
    A friend of mine posted this to his Facebook:



    I've said it before, and I'll say it again: There is no organization that poses a greater threat to gay rights than the Catholic Church.

    I think the IRS needs to maybe start reevaluating the tax-exempt status of a few religions next year.

  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    That video is actually maid by what looks like a PAC, and not the Catholic Church itself.

    However, it is most definitely full of derp.

  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Wow that could straight up be an ad from a post apocalyptic movie.
    Strength through unity, unity through faith

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  • LovelyLovely Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Melkster wrote: »
    A friend of mine posted this to his Facebook:



    I've said it before, and I'll say it again: There is no organization that poses a greater threat to gay rights than the Catholic Church.

    There needs to be a parody movie of that with the background music replaced with kazoos.

    Parody video's of that need to be made in general. Over-dramatics like that has the potential to be hilarious.

    Also, it's somewhat amusing and a bit sad that all the related video's for that vid lead to more wack-a-doo stuff. Heh.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Melkster wrote: »
    A friend of mine posted this to his Facebook:



    I've said it before, and I'll say it again: There is no organization that poses a greater threat to gay rights than the Catholic Church.

    There needs to be a parody movie of that with the background music replaced with kazoos.

    Maybe Funny or Die will do one like they did with A Gathering Storm back in 2010.

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  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Oh my god, that's hilarious. How did I never see that.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    That is brilliant.

    Although the second you see George Takei standing the background sort of ruins it because after that you're just waiting for him to say something funny.

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  • SmoogySmoogy Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    It doesn't matter how many Christians aren't being Christian. Lumping them all together and whining about it is incredibly immature and puts the whole GLBT cause back so fucking grow up. You're doing exactly what you're already bitching about.

    People who are actually Christian, and no that does not mean people who believe Christ died for their sins, and actually try to follow that do-unto-others way or whatever deserve a hell of a lot better. I've suffered at the hands of fake Christians just as much as anyone else but I at least don't have the fucking gall to spit in the faces of the ones trying to actually change things.
    This "no-true-Scotsman" thing is getting really old.

    From what I can tell, 99%+ of Christians are members of denominations which don't support gay marriage. Period. Full stop. Even if I'm off by a factor of 20 (and I really don't think I am), that's still more than enough to be able to say that Christians are, generally speaking, bigots.

    Well, you are making the incorrect assumption that if you are a member of a denomination then you follow that denominations tenets completely. I grew up Presbyterian, I now go mostly to Methodist churches, but I've also been to Catholic, Episcopalian, and Baptist services with friends. I couldn't really tell you what each denomination believes about x minute thing, but I do know that the all think Christ died for our sins. Typically, I go to the one with the best contemporary music/band :)

    Don't make lazy generalizations. Equating all Christians with the beliefs of organized Christianity is just that. There are plenty of Christians who support gay marriage even if official church doctrine does not.

    Edit: didn't mean to derail anything, but a bigot calling others a bigot should be pointed out.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    As has been pointed out repeatedly, such a vast majority of denominations in this country are anti-gay that it isn't an unfair generalization.

    It sure as hell isn't bigotry, and that third-grade level of deflection isn't going to be very effective in this thread.

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  • AtomikaAtomika (citation needed)Registered User regular
    The internet is just chock-full of people with nuanced religious beliefs. It's really amazing, especially given how little you actually see of it in real life.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    I actually am quite willing to believe that lots and lots of Christians don't share the bigoted views of their parent churches.

    But they are still attending these churches and giving them money, which the churches in turn use to craft and support anti-gay legislation.

    So the private views of these non-bigoted Christians doesn't amount to much.

  • poshnialloposhniallo Registered User regular
    Smoogy wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    It doesn't matter how many Christians aren't being Christian. Lumping them all together and whining about it is incredibly immature and puts the whole GLBT cause back so fucking grow up. You're doing exactly what you're already bitching about.

    People who are actually Christian, and no that does not mean people who believe Christ died for their sins, and actually try to follow that do-unto-others way or whatever deserve a hell of a lot better. I've suffered at the hands of fake Christians just as much as anyone else but I at least don't have the fucking gall to spit in the faces of the ones trying to actually change things.
    This "no-true-Scotsman" thing is getting really old.

    From what I can tell, 99%+ of Christians are members of denominations which don't support gay marriage. Period. Full stop. Even if I'm off by a factor of 20 (and I really don't think I am), that's still more than enough to be able to say that Christians are, generally speaking, bigots.

    Well, you are making the incorrect assumption that if you are a member of a denomination then you follow that denominations tenets completely. I grew up Presbyterian, I now go mostly to Methodist churches, but I've also been to Catholic, Episcopalian, and Baptist services with friends. I couldn't really tell you what each denomination believes about x minute thing, but I do know that the all think Christ died for our sins. Typically, I go to the one with the best contemporary music/band :)

    Don't make lazy generalizations. Equating all Christians with the beliefs of organized Christianity is just that. There are plenty of Christians who support gay marriage even if official church doctrine does not.

    Edit: didn't mean to derail anything, but a bigot calling others a bigot should be pointed out.

    Did you mean to imply that gay rights are a 'minute thing', that you are happy to be unaware of the actions of the groups you support, and that you either financially support those churches and thus their anti-gay activities or just leech off their charity in putting on musical shows...

    ... or was that unintentional?

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  • NocrenNocren Still AwesomeRegistered User regular
    Wow that could straight up be an ad from a post apocalyptic movie.
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    "Peace through Power"?

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  • BSoBBSoB Registered User regular
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    It is when the goal posts for the definition of a Christian were being moved, which they were.
    Do you guys just name fallacies at random in the hopes one will fit?
    I actually am quite willing to believe that lots and lots of Christians don't share the bigoted views of their parent churches.

    But they are still attending these churches and giving them money, which the churches in turn use to craft and support anti-gay legislation.

    So the private views of these non-bigoted Christians doesn't amount to much.

    What is your guess on the percentage of Christians that go to church more than once or twice a year?

    How about on the percentage of Christians who tithe?

    My guess is the real number is lower than you think.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    BSoB wrote: »
    I actually am quite willing to believe that lots and lots of Christians don't share the bigoted views of their parent churches.

    But they are still attending these churches and giving them money, which the churches in turn use to craft and support anti-gay legislation.

    So the private views of these non-bigoted Christians doesn't amount to much.

    What is your guess on the percentage of Christians that go to church more than once or twice a year?

    How about on the percentage of Christians who tithe?

    My guess is the real number is lower than you think.

    Half the country cares enough to vote Republican against personal interest. I'd say the hooks go pretty deep.

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  • AtomikaAtomika (citation needed)Registered User regular
    I actually am quite willing to believe that lots and lots of Christians don't share the bigoted views of their parent churches.

    But they are still attending these churches and giving them money, which the churches in turn use to craft and support anti-gay legislation.

    So the private views of these non-bigoted Christians doesn't amount to much.

    Pretty much this.

    I don't have a lot of respect to hand out to people who say things like, "Oh, I'm a Catholic, but I don't support their positions on gay marriage or abortion or child abuse." It's like saying, "Oh, I pay to watch pornography, but I don't support the sex industry's treatment of women," or "Hey, the Klan does a lot of good stuff for the community, too!"

    Are you going to a church that espoused bigoted viewpoints? Are you tithing to them? Are you a surrogate for them in your community? Guess what? You're supporting bigotry.

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  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    More then anything I've noticed that most folks aren't so against gay rights, its just the ones who actually turn out for voting are also the most vocal about it.

    Unfortunately a lot of youth just don't give two craps about elections other than getting smug about "my guy beat your guy" ideal. So while most of te country might be accepting-to-neutral on gay rights, it's the ones who are against the idea that end up turning in ballot numbers, which results in under-represented cultural opinions and a false consensus.

    I'm actually amazed that things like the Health Care Act got as far as it did personally.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Smoogy wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    It doesn't matter how many Christians aren't being Christian. Lumping them all together and whining about it is incredibly immature and puts the whole GLBT cause back so fucking grow up. You're doing exactly what you're already bitching about.

    People who are actually Christian, and no that does not mean people who believe Christ died for their sins, and actually try to follow that do-unto-others way or whatever deserve a hell of a lot better. I've suffered at the hands of fake Christians just as much as anyone else but I at least don't have the fucking gall to spit in the faces of the ones trying to actually change things.
    This "no-true-Scotsman" thing is getting really old.

    From what I can tell, 99%+ of Christians are members of denominations which don't support gay marriage. Period. Full stop. Even if I'm off by a factor of 20 (and I really don't think I am), that's still more than enough to be able to say that Christians are, generally speaking, bigots.

    Well, you are making the incorrect assumption that if you are a member of a denomination then you follow that denominations tenets completely. I grew up Presbyterian, I now go mostly to Methodist churches, but I've also been to Catholic, Episcopalian, and Baptist services with friends. I couldn't really tell you what each denomination believes about x minute thing, but I do know that the all think Christ died for our sins. Typically, I go to the one with the best contemporary music/band :)

    Don't make lazy generalizations. Equating all Christians with the beliefs of organized Christianity is just that. There are plenty of Christians who support gay marriage even if official church doctrine does not.

    Edit: didn't mean to derail anything, but a bigot calling others a bigot should be pointed out.

    So... the type of music at the church is more important to you than how much they oppress people?

    And you guys insist that you don't understand why we react so negatively to the faithful.
    BSoB wrote: »
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    It is when the goal posts for the definition of a Christian were being moved, which they were.
    Do you guys just name fallacies at random in the hopes one will fit?

    No true scotsman involves setting or having an established threshold for "Scotsmanhood," which is then revised because the actions taken by someone who previously fit within your definition of the identity is not one you want to associate with, which is sort of an inverse "moving the goal posts." "Christians have to accept Christ as their savior, that makes them Christians." Well, ok, then, the majority of Christians oppress homosexuals, and virtually all of their leadership advocates doing so. "Well, REAL Christians wouldn't do that, they'd donate all their money and hang out with prostitutes because Christ loved everyone." NO ONE IS DOING THAT. MOSTLY YOU PICK YOUR FAVORITE CONTEMPORARY MUSIC CHURCH, STARE OFF INTO SPACE WHILE BEING HANDED YOUR MORAL GUIDANCE, THEN PITCH FIVE BUCKS INTO THE "OPPRESS A GAY PERSON" BOWL.

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  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom It's a brand new day and the sun is high All the birds are singing that you're gonna dieRegistered User regular
  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    Yeah, and straight actors aren't allowed to play gay characters.

    Fuck off Sean Penn, Heath Ledger, James Franco, Jake Gyllenhaal, guy from Dexter, Colin Firth. Your performances were absolutely ludicrous.

  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    Who the fuck is Bret Easton Ellis?

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  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom It's a brand new day and the sun is high All the birds are singing that you're gonna dieRegistered User regular
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Who the fuck is Bret Easton Ellis?

    Dude who wrote The Rules of Attraction and American Psycho

  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    But Matthew Bomer is the single most attractive man in the history of men and seeing him do naughty things with a girl fulfills both my hetero-gay crush on him and my desire to see women in the throes of pleasure.

    "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline."

    "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor


    My new novel:

    Maledictions: The Offering.

    Now in Paperback!
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