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It came across to me like JMS had been warned not to do anything to Kingpin that would muck up the continuity of other comics, like Daredevil. (Isn't he out of jail already in Daredevil actually?) So he had to be satisfied with making the beating as brutal as possible without leaving Fisk with any damage that wouldn't heal in a day or two.
Which sucks, because honestly I'd be okay with losing a character as cool as Kingpin if it meant Spidey got to kill him. Hell, I've been satisfied if he'd been stuck in a coma for a while, with Spidey planning to pull the plug on him when Aunt May died.
Spidey has been through enough unnecessary revamping or tampering (depending on your perspective) but this is one part of the character that doesn't need changing: he's not a killer.
yeah, that's going to far
Planet 'Pin?
Only on a much smaller scale, and instead of coming back with Warbound he returns with a bunch of Skrulls with Tommy Guns.
as long as they're wearing zoot suits
*snorts coffe*
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World War Kingpin.
"The man you call Spider-man sent me into space, destroyed my planet, and my alien wife.
I have come back for him.
With zoot-suit wearing Skrull gangsters."
Best.
Crossover.
Ever.
"I could kill you at any moment. I could snap your neck, rip out your heart, or even just suffocate you with webbing. I could even kill YOUR family...But I won't. And you know why? I don't need to remind myself who I am stronger than. I'm not going to kill you because I want you to live, knowing that you had kill an old woman just to hurt me. Because you are weaker than me. You are BENEATH me. You are nothing."
And then throw him down.
Kingpin gets to live, Spidey doesn't kill, and we still get the "Don't fuck with Spider-man's family" vibe.
And eventually, you'll get to the point where Peter either gives up and resigns himself to simply letting the justice system handle Fisk or, worse yet, straight out kills the guy.
The third option would be someone else killing Fisk as Peter goes, "NO!"
Think about it.
Have it as an arc.
Kingpin retaliates. MJ is nearly killed, but since she's younger she makes a full recovery.
Spidey goes back, grabs Kingpin, who has that "Go on. Beat me up and let me live" look, and Spidey/Peter stares him down and says "You made me a murderer."
Then have the comic/arc end with Spidey holding Kingpin up in the air, and "SNAP" across the panel.
And "THE END" in the corner.
Or, if we'd rather not have Spidey kill someone.
"I said I'd never kill you, Fisk. I won't take that back."
"*Snikt*But his friends never made that promise, bub."
Maybe have Pete pissed at Logan for doing what he never wanted to see done.
or some other suitably horrific-but-not-outright-murder something.
or maybe just like, kidnap him, then punch him in the head daily until he's permanently retarded.
maybe i should stop thinking about what i would do to people if i had superpowers and wanted to take revenge on someone.
It'd be a powerful moment, but it's just not worth it in the long run for what it does to the character and the series. I mean, we'll pretty have to ask ourselves again and again why he doesn't just kill every villain who's ever endangered a human life.
Good lord, they're multiplying.
well, Pete has always snapped when his loved ones are hurt.
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I had the same impression.
He dosen't need a moral compass anymore. He has his own.
I am getting kinda sick of reading about her. That and shes been 80 something for the past 20 years.
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in comic books or real life?
But since these are comic book characters and blah blah blah they represent whats good and noble about the human spir-yadda yadda- I can see why you wouldn't want Spider-Man torturing Kingpin to death for the death of Aunt May.
I guess Peter is a closet buddhist or somehthing.
I think Keith is onto something.
YOU DON"T SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!
I kid, I kid.
Never!. More on how heroes are corruting our youth at 9.
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I think the decent thing to do would be to kill Norman Osborn so he doesn't kill any more innocent folk.
Technically, the decent thing would be for the police to lock Norman up and never let him out again.
This is always what gets me about people arguing superheroes (especially Batman, as people always bring this up in relation to The Joker) are immoral for not killing villains. In a general sense Spider-Man et al act as a supplement to the law, capturing those it would be difficult for the regular police to take down. While this raises tricky issues about vigilantism, it can still be seen as "moral" for the purposes of a comic.
However, if Spider-Man goes around killing people, he stops supplementing the law and instead becomes the law. Suddenly he gets to decide who lives and dies, just because he was bitten by a radioactive spider? At this point he becomes a fascist. For Spider-Man to remain a hero in the stories, he has to defer to a larger societal framework to decide questions of guilt and punishment.
In real life, this system would work pretty well. After all the shit they've done, would Osbourne or The Joker really get out of jail again? Probably not. But in the world of comics they have to keep coming back to menace the hero, and so traditional law has to be shown to be insufficient. Just another example of how applying real-world standards to comics is fraught with peril.
If and when he takes out Kingpin, it won't be Spider-Man who does it, because that defeats the purpose of Spider-Man, the hero. It's going to be Peter Parker, pissed off badass getting revenge for what happened to May.
Or the Authority?
Or Wolverine?
Are they just anti-heroes?
No, they're just all assholes.
"I know what I want to be when I grow up, Mummy!"
"What's that, dear?"
"An ASSHOLE!"
You're conflating different topics.
Punisher/Wolverine are, in fact, only at best "anti-heroes" because they believe that while the current laws are just, they (Punisher/Wolverine) are not required to obey those laws. They (and "heroes" like them) believe that they have the right to violate the very laws that they are punishing people for violating.
The Authority, on the other hand, decided that the laws (and legal system) were in fact invalid and unjust. They decided to completely overthrow the government, and install a more valid system.
Now, the Authority broke the law (see our discussions re: Civil War, secession and armed rebellion). However, they are different from Punisher/Wolverine because the Authority denied the legality of those laws, as opposed to paradoxically affirming the validity of the laws while violating the same.
That doesn't mean the Authority were morally correct (there's the standard "why don't you put the whole world in a bottle" response), but it does mean that they're morally distinct from Punisher et al.