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Assuming abortion is illegal, how much time does she serve?
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But think of the children.
Do you really think godless science cares about the children? Or course not.
And now I have mental images of Eliot Ness busting open barrels full of fetuses, much to Al Capone's chagrin.
Thanks a lot.
Then we can expand this debate thus:
Except in cases of rape, the woman already granted her say over use of her reproductive organs when she had sex with a man.
People know how babies are made. It's not an accident. You have to do a very conscious act to get the ball rolling. When you make that choice, you should be a real fucking adult and live with the consequences.
(now before anyone jumps my shit about "but what about in cases where the mom may die?", you know that's not what I'm talking about)
Well, that's a good question. Are we assuming you'll dump it off at the nearest adoption center, or actually take care of it for 18 years or so?
Whoops, condom broke. Well shit, there goes my life for the next two decades.
I should think anyone would be aware that falling down the stairs can easily cause a miscarriage.
And since up to 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage... they're going to be very busy.
Do you understand the reasonable person standard for negligence? If I remember my tort law right (it's been 10 years), your example is not even remotely prosecutable or covered under the law.
So can tripping and falling forward.
Every woman who walks anywhere is putting their child in danger.
I'd assume that giving a child you don't want up for adoption would work basically the same way it works...right now.
http://www.adoption.org/adopt/giving-a-child-up-for-adoption.php
An extremely complex, difficult, and trying emotional and physical rollercoaster culminating with a watermelon coming out your pee hole. Go talk to someone who's recently had a kid and ask them what their last year was like. Bonus points if they didn't really want the bastard.
I... I really don't want to be the one to have to tell you this.
See, he just wants to be Cat's "special friend".
Only much, much worse, because now the massively underfunded, overtaxed social services are going to have an even bigger influx of unwanted babies, because abortion isn't an option anymore?
Are you willing to accept the notion that an abortion can potentially represent a woman acting responsibly? Being an adult?
I'm guessing no, but thought I'd ask.
I'd explain to you that adoption is not the cure-all you think it to be, especially if the kid isn't blue eyed and blonde haired. But considering your first comment, I'm just going to go with "idiot".
"An inconvenience"?
She can't eat or drink the things she might like to. She can't participate in the physical activities she used to, even if it's her hobby - or her job. Her career might be jeopardized anyway, as her bosses might feel she doesn't now have the time for more duties at a promotion or handling a new client. At best she'll be puking every morning for a while, feel huge and uncomfortable, and either have her vagina tear or her great big belly cut open - at worst she might suffer other health problems, such as vision damage. Hopefully she doesn't like reading, or have computer work to do! It's possible she'll also suffer from post-partum depression, and might have trouble getting her life back on track, even if the baby's placed with an adoption agency. Her entire body gets co-opted for 9 months to provide life support for a life she never wanted.
Oh, and that baby? Hopefully he or she actually gets placed with a loving family. But there's a metric fuckton of unwanted children with agencies throughout the country. Too bad for the kid if she isn't white and healthy, too. Good luck finding a forever home then!
Fuck your "inconvenience", and fuck you too. A woman's body belongs to her, not to you and not to the fetus and not to the government.
Except even worse, one would assume.
Maybe you'll think a little harder before you have sex again next time. But hey people are stupid and never learn. I missed the part where thats any different than any other number of accidents (assuming the pregnancy is accidental) that can occur to someone, like say getting hit by a car, or losing a limb. Its an inconvenience.
Good thing I scrolled down and read this before posting another angry tirade. <3 <3 Wouldn't my face have been red then!
This is why I feel men's views on abortion shouldn't weigh heavily.
"Hey it's only 9 months it's not that bad" D:
Don't be silly, its really very fun and enjoyable. Hell, I'd get 2 of 'em every day if I could.
So pregnancy is punishment for sex.
You must really love children.
no actually I don't. I was just playing along with the original arguement that criminal negligence should apply to a pregnant woman tripping.
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Getting hit by a car has all of the same above affects.
... Okay? Would you also deny medical treatment to someone who'd been hit by a car, then?
Right, we have lots of options to prevent pregnancy, some 100% effective. So if you don't want to deal with the consequences, get fixed.
:lol: You really are just adorable.
So let me see if I have this straight:
Getting pregnant=hiit by a car or losing a limb
Getting pregnant="inconvenient"
so:
Getting hit by a car or losing a limb = "inconvenient"
Spyder what the fuck are you on.
Okay, you passed "idiot", and waved bye-bye to "moron". You're nearing "stupid moronic fuckwad" territory now, buddy.
What the fuck do you think abortion is, ignoring the pregnancy so it will go away?
LAWL!
Here cause you were too lazy to google.
http://pregnancy.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Birth_Control_Permanent_Sterilization
I say we wrap him up in ribbons and bow and give him as a present for Cat. She really needed a new scratching post.
Nope.
Abstinence.
Now... let's all go read the bible.
EDIT - I think I'm done in this thread, it's hard to debate folks when they merely ignore your arguments.
-Robert E. Howard
Tower of the Elephant
I can prove that criminalizing abortion increases the maternal death rate. Then again, who cares about saving their lives, those whores.
While women should be responsible with their sexual activities this doesn't mean that woman should not have the option of abortion because a bunch of old white men(who don't know anything about pregnancy) can't let go of the vestiges of archaic social standards that take away a woman's ability to control her body and her life.
According to the First Amendment, the government should not be influenced by religion (separation of church and state). This means that judges are suppose to interpret the Constitution the best they can without letting personal beliefs and other influences interfere with their decision. According to the Constitution individuals that are not 18(or emancipated) are not of the age where they can serve the government and therefore do not receive full benefit from the law. Why should a fetus who has contributed nothing to society receive more benefit from the law than the mother(if she's not an illegal immigrant) who technically has rights provided by the constitution?
The only justification I can find for the origin of the "pro-life" amendments is within the confines of religion, which shouldn't have such a strong influence on the law anyways. While the law should protect children. the law should prioritize protection for legal adults because they already exist/have contributed to society. Children are gifts that should be received responsibly and in a situation where they are wanted and cared for properly. Children should not be a tool to "punish" women that may have made a mistake/been a victim because an institution that has no place in legal affairs influences judges' decisions.
OP:
Abortion should not be encouraged as the "best" solution to pregnancy, but it should be available to women along with required counseling if they so choose to go through with it. And even if abortion becomes "illegal" and the law needs to determine a "punishment", incarceration will not prevent pregnancy->abortion from occurring again. Long term psychiatric help and better sex education would be a better solution because it would prevent the situation from happening again.