"There's the legal complications," Sparkman High principal Michael Campbell told the news station WHNT on Tuesday, October 1. Streaking was not just a harmless prank, he said. "Public lewdness and court consequences outside of school with the legal system, as well as the school consequences that the school system has set up."
Can we hang him?
We really need higher standards for who gets put on sex offender registries...
I don't mean to be the wet blanket, but according to the article he was like 5 steps away from being put on the registries. All it said was that the school was trying to get him prosecuted as an adult.
That in and of itself seems over the top. Fuck it prosecuting someone for streaking is over the top.
It astounds me that the people telling a fifteen year old "Whelp, that prank of yours means your life is effectively over, you'll be reviled by society forever" feel no shame about it.
If you want a very light, portable, easy as fuck, low maintenance, long battery life laptop, get a MacBook Air. There are no rivals in this category, full stop. You can get away with the lowest end model and still have a powerhouse of a machine that will last you an entire work day and change on battery life.
and if you absolutely need windows, you can install that too, though you will probably want to upgrade to 256GB of SSD space.
Also, since you already have an iPhone.... iTunes is butt in windows compared to Mac, where it is great. Also, all the other iCloud stuff like synched iMessage, synced notes, reminders, Photo Stream... its a really well made integrated experience.
Thanks Yeah all I have had for the past couple months is my iPhone, but now I have money coming in again and want to have something functional for my computering needs! I do like the idea of a Mac, if only because it'll integrate with all my accounts, etc so well.
I was just trying to be cheap about this purchase though, but maybe now's not the time to be cheap?
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TL DRNot at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered Userregular
desc is a stone-cold motherfucker
once saw him flip a cop car onto a family of 4, because the teenage daughter said that liquid drum and bass was preferable to jungle
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TTODewbackPuts the drawl in ya'llI think I'm in HellRegistered Userregular
No one is in the office this afternoon *commits to an hour long unending fart*
Bless your heart.
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ElldrenIs a woman dammitceterum censeoRegistered Userregular
"There's the legal complications," Sparkman High principal Michael Campbell told the news station WHNT on Tuesday, October 1. Streaking was not just a harmless prank, he said. "Public lewdness and court consequences outside of school with the legal system, as well as the school consequences that the school system has set up."
Can we hang him?
We really need higher standards for who gets put on sex offender registries...
I don't mean to be the wet blanket, but according to the article he was like 5 steps away from being put on the registries. All it said was that the school was trying to get him prosecuted as an adult.
Ooh yes
All of the fucking authority figures in that kid's life were trying to give him a scarlet letter but they hadn't yet so it's ok
I have my laptop and my iPad mini (and my Android phone, naturally)
the iPad absolutely gets more day-to-day use than my laptop. I use my iPad every day, even if it's just to read on the train or play Puzzle & Dragons or something
but when I need my laptop, I need my laptop and there's no way the iPad could fill that void
Yeah, I do a significant amount of stuff on my iPad... and for a while I was doing almost everything on it (including coding, with textastic and a bluetooth keyboard).
You can do work on an iPad, but there are a few tasks where the workarounds are too cumbersome, and a laptop absolutely excels. I still think I would have a hard time running my business without the iPad, as a significant amount of my proposal work and billing management happens on there, even if I do most of the work on my iMac or Macbook Air.
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Let's play Mario Kart or something...
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Ell 95 is fucking awesome. God damn.
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TL DRNot at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered Userregular
"There's the legal complications," Sparkman High principal Michael Campbell told the news station WHNT on Tuesday, October 1. Streaking was not just a harmless prank, he said. "Public lewdness and court consequences outside of school with the legal system, as well as the school consequences that the school system has set up."
Can we hang him?
We really need higher standards for who gets put on sex offender registries...
I don't mean to be the wet blanket, but according to the article he was like 5 steps away from being put on the registries. All it said was that the school was trying to get him prosecuted as an adult.
That in and of itself seems over the top. Fuck it prosecuting someone for streaking is over the top.
It astounds me that the people telling a fifteen year old "Whelp, that prank of yours means your life is effectively over, you'll be reviled by society forever" feel no shame about it.
"There's the legal complications," Sparkman High principal Michael Campbell told the news station WHNT on Tuesday, October 1. Streaking was not just a harmless prank, he said. "Public lewdness and court consequences outside of school with the legal system, as well as the school consequences that the school system has set up."
Can we hang him?
We really need higher standards for who gets put on sex offender registries...
I don't mean to be the wet blanket, but according to the article he was like 5 steps away from being put on the registries. All it said was that the school was trying to get him prosecuted as an adult.
That in and of itself seems over the top. Fuck it prosecuting someone for streaking is over the top.
It astounds me that the people telling a fifteen year old "Whelp, that prank of yours means your life is effectively over, you'll be reviled by society forever" feel no shame about it.
He had not actually been prosecuted...
No, he was being threatened with it. That's what I'm saying. It was and is an absurd overreaction that terrified a child into suicide, and they should be ashamed of themselves.
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TavIrish Minister for DefenceRegistered Userregular
Apple's student discount is nice, btw. Here it is like 12%, which is very nice considering how overpriced they are :bz
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Podlyyou unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered Userregular
new bad lip reading of game of thrones is god damn hilarious
I get the idea that everyone can be a journalist now, but i still like the idea that there are credentials so we can weed through the nutters typing furiously in dark cellars.
That model has been blown up though. "Credentials" are meaningless...
... well not meaningless. But they're an outdated and very restrictive way to identify your trusted proxies. I'm not saying that journalism shouldn't be a profession, or that you should ONLY look to the lone scrivener instead of the big media outlet.
I'm just saying there's no functional difference between the two.
Example: This guy has done far better work reporting from the field than most of the major media outlets. http://www.michaelyon-online.com/
If you let "credentials" and "legitimacy" be defined in the same way today as you did before crowdfunding, pervasive personal recording, and everywhere internet became a thing, then you are doing something wrong.
I mean... if you're considering the alphabet networks and Fox News as major media outlets, yeah... they're shit... because they're run like businesses.
But there are plenty of other outlets that still hire real journalists with training and pedigrees out there.
One dude going it on his own and doing well (I'm not that familiar with his work, but I'll take it for granted for the sake of argument) doesn't mean the entire system should be scrapped.
The entire system is scrapped. It's a corpse that doesn't realize it's dead yet. It's a zombie!
What makes a "real" journalist, besides the quality of his work?
I suppose maybe we disagree less than I thought at first.
I am just not comfortable with the idea of a Wild West of journalism because we already have a massive problem in this country with tens of millions of people being actively misinformed.
Yeah, I don't think we're too far off. My problem comes when you have the Capital J Journalists doing things like expecting special protection from the courts that isn't afforded to small-b bloggers doing basically the same exact quality of work.
wat
do you have a for instance, because I feel like any protection journalists receive should fall under bill of rights stuff
For instance Journalists get shielding from prosecution when they don't reveal sources, but average people cannot retain anonymity for themselves or others without a contempt citation.
are you arguing that... this is something that shouldn't be?
Absolutely yes. Why should a "journalist" get that protection and I don't?
did you miss everything I posted afterwards?
also do you not like western democracy or something? :P
Yes I had to walk out...
Here is what I'm talking about. This is special protection for a class of people!
The states that have adopted shield laws, and the courts that have found similar protections deriving from either the First Amendment or common law, have taken one or both of two approaches to this question. Some have adopted a “functional definition,” whereby the protection is available to anyone who is functioning as a journalist—that is, someone collecting information for the purpose of distributing it to the public. Others have adopted a “status definition,” in which the person entitled to the protection is defined by his or her employment or other affiliation with a media organization. We have before expressed concern that status definitions often fail to cover non-traditional journalists such as self-publishing bloggers and citizen journalists.
If you're going to formalize it like that, I vastly prefer the functional definition.
But the "special protection for a class of people" line is bull. It's not a class of people by the status definition, it's a line of work. Doctors have special protection, too.
Because they need to have it.
Journalism is not like doctoring. It is super egalitarian and requires no special or formalized training beyond the ability to ask questions and string together a coherent sentence.
There is no accreditation for journalists beyond their employment itself. There is no standard of quality and no licensing. It's nothing like being a doctor!
Nothing at all!
edit: if they need to have it, why don't I?
because no sources that need protection are coming to you. It is exactly like being a doctor in this respect. The training, accreditation, standard of quality, and licensing do not matter.
The reason doctors are able to keep shut about stuff other people would be legally compelled to share, is because to do their job, people need to be able to tell them everything. That's how it's just like this.
Not that the journalists are important here. The important thing is that the protected sources have a way to get their important shit out there without risk.
with journalists protected, then hey, look, there are people they can go to who can safely share it! Awesome! The important shit gets shared, we benefit.
Well, how do you know I'm not a journalist on the side. I even wrote a column once!
But you're saying that if a source came to me that needed protection, I suddenly become a journalist?
Why do we need a special class of people who have the legal right to hide sources anyway? Why not do that for, you know, everybody who wants to publish sensitive information? I'm asking you to explain why journalists should be treated differently from randos who publish things on the internet, and you are telling me how they are treated differently.
Also, it's still nothing like a doctor because you no longer need to go through the anointed gatekeepers to tell your story, as you do if you get sick.
If you are doing journalism, then you become a journalist, yes. Perhaps as important may be that others recognise what you are doing as journalism, which could be by doing your thing through a traditional publication or because you are a notable contributor the public discourse in a particular area.
There are multiple tests that can be applied to decide that, as has already been discussed. As far as I was aware, pleading journalistic status only ever comes up in the context of presenting a defence: you don't decide in advance who is and isn't a journalist, the question is irrelevant until that person wishes to exempt themselves from some liability or culpability for the reasons set aside as exemptions in those cases.
I'm not sure it is a good idea to create a checklist definition for journalistic status, that kind of thing almost invariably leads to people using the letter of the law to abuse its spirit.
What I don't understand is the basic argument that there should be a test at all. Why are trying to make value judgments about my past Contributions To The Realm Of Journalism when I break a story? I don't believe there should be any functional difference between me breaking a story about a cop stomping in a guy's face for no reason because I recorded it on my phone and posted about it on Reddit, and Wolf Blitzer doing the exact same thing.
Why does he get to conceal the source of the video, and I don't? What's the concept there that grants him special protection, that should not also apply to me?
I don't believe there is one.
Are you saying that you don't think that journalistic protection would apply in your example?
I mean, it would in any sane formulation of the law.
Currently there are some formulations of the law where it would, assuming the judge decided I was doing Capital J Journalism (and not protected if I failed in my attempt to prove I was), and there are some formulations where I would need to be working for An Official News Reporting Company Place to get protection, and otherwise I'm boned.
I'm saying that I think everyone should get that protection by default because the days when there were information gatekeepers who reported the news are gone. We all carry video cameras, we all have the ability to reach a global audience. We should all be protected in the same way.
"There's the legal complications," Sparkman High principal Michael Campbell told the news station WHNT on Tuesday, October 1. Streaking was not just a harmless prank, he said. "Public lewdness and court consequences outside of school with the legal system, as well as the school consequences that the school system has set up."
Can we hang him?
We really need higher standards for who gets put on sex offender registries...
I don't mean to be the wet blanket, but according to the article he was like 5 steps away from being put on the registries. All it said was that the school was trying to get him prosecuted as an adult.
Ooh yes
All of the fucking authority figures in that kid's life were trying to give him a scarlet letter but they hadn't yet so it's ok
silly goose
fucking edict
...
Whatever, i'm sorry for bring facts into this.
Yes, it was totally the Sex offender registry that caused this kid to kill himself. The registry that he could maybe get on if somebody maybe decided to prosecute as an adult, then a judge maybe decided that was reasonable, then he was maybe convicted as an adult.
The fact that this kid killed himself is horrible. I just detest it when someone decides to use such a thing to advance a political goal that is only tangentially related.
See that? This is why I am not really concerned with the minor power differential between the PS4 and the XBO - the games are going to be ridiculously beautiful on both. That is a launch title.
This was a launch title on the xbox 360:
Now think about Halo 4 or Grand Theft Auto or whatever other recent 360 games and what they look like.
Next gen is going to be fucking beautiful.
SW-4158-3990-6116
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
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TL DRNot at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered Userregular
Rent?
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"There's the legal complications," Sparkman High principal Michael Campbell told the news station WHNT on Tuesday, October 1. Streaking was not just a harmless prank, he said. "Public lewdness and court consequences outside of school with the legal system, as well as the school consequences that the school system has set up."
Can we hang him?
We really need higher standards for who gets put on sex offender registries...
I don't mean to be the wet blanket, but according to the article he was like 5 steps away from being put on the registries. All it said was that the school was trying to get him prosecuted as an adult.
Ooh yes
All of the fucking authority figures in that kid's life were trying to give him a scarlet letter but they hadn't yet so it's ok
silly goose
fucking edict
...
Whatever, i'm sorry for bring facts into this.
Yes, it was totally the Sex offender registry that caused this kid to kill himself. The registry that he could maybe get on if somebody maybe decided to prosecute as an adult, then a judge maybe decided that was reasonable, then he was maybe convicted as an adult.
The fact that this kid killed himself is horrible. I just detest it when someone decides to use such a thing to advance a political goal that is only tangentially related.
How is the atrocious state of the sex offenders laws only tangentially related?
Tav on
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Donkey KongPutting Nintendo out of business with AI nipsRegistered Userregular
This whole streaking thing reminds me of Aaron Swartz. There are so many assholes who take the law WAY too literally. A rigid law and order sense of ethics should be mocked so hard. That principal should lose his job and get something more on his level of ethical development. Maybe middle manager at cinnabon. Apply that moronic rigidity to the frosting of cinnamon buns.
Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
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ElldrenIs a woman dammitceterum censeoRegistered Userregular
"There's the legal complications," Sparkman High principal Michael Campbell told the news station WHNT on Tuesday, October 1. Streaking was not just a harmless prank, he said. "Public lewdness and court consequences outside of school with the legal system, as well as the school consequences that the school system has set up."
Can we hang him?
We really need higher standards for who gets put on sex offender registries...
I don't mean to be the wet blanket, but according to the article he was like 5 steps away from being put on the registries. All it said was that the school was trying to get him prosecuted as an adult.
Ooh yes
All of the fucking authority figures in that kid's life were trying to give him a scarlet letter but they hadn't yet so it's ok
silly goose
fucking edict
...
Whatever, i'm sorry for bring facts into this.
Yes, it was totally the Sex offender registry that caused this kid to kill himself. The registry that he could maybe get on if somebody maybe decided to prosecute as an adult, then a judge maybe decided that was reasonable, then he was maybe convicted as an adult.
The fact that this kid killed himself is horrible. I just detest it when someone decides to use such a thing to advance a political goal that is only tangentially related.
We know the facts
Fuck you
fuck gendered marketing
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TehSlothHit Or MissI Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered Userregular
See that? This is why I am not really concerned with the minor power differential between the PS4 and the XBO - the games are going to be ridiculously beautiful on both. That is a launch title.
This was a launch title on the xbox 360:
Now think about Halo 4 or Grand Theft Auto or whatever other recent 360 games and what they look like.
"There's the legal complications," Sparkman High principal Michael Campbell told the news station WHNT on Tuesday, October 1. Streaking was not just a harmless prank, he said. "Public lewdness and court consequences outside of school with the legal system, as well as the school consequences that the school system has set up."
Can we hang him?
We really need higher standards for who gets put on sex offender registries...
I don't mean to be the wet blanket, but according to the article he was like 5 steps away from being put on the registries. All it said was that the school was trying to get him prosecuted as an adult.
Ooh yes
All of the fucking authority figures in that kid's life were trying to give him a scarlet letter but they hadn't yet so it's ok
silly goose
fucking edict
...
Whatever, i'm sorry for bring facts into this.
Yes, it was totally the Sex offender registry that caused this kid to kill himself. The registry that he could maybe get on if somebody maybe decided to prosecute as an adult, then a judge maybe decided that was reasonable, then he was maybe convicted as an adult.
The fact that this kid killed himself is horrible. I just detest it when someone decides to use such a thing to advance a political goal that is only tangentially related.
I don't even know what your point is.
You're suggesting that a child should have had the emotional maturity to deal with the most significant authority figures in his life setting out to destroy it by trusting that a system that had already massively overreacted would respond proportionately?
Interesting thing about Ryze, they actually dropped it to 960p or i. I can find the article. Mostly because at full 1080p it wouldn't get 60 fps which is what they are shooting for.
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21stCenturyCall me Pixel, or Pix for short![They/Them]Registered Userregular
I HAVE NO MOUTH AND I MUST SCREAM is now on the Steam Digital Distribution Service
What's with Steam adding all those old-ass game for olds?
Interesting thing about Ryze, they actually dropped it to 960p or i. I can find the article. Mostly because at full 1080p it wouldn't get 60 fps which is what they are shooting for.
I remember reading a thing ages ago which asserted that Lamborghinis which are written off are almost invariably being driven by people other than their owners - car park attendants, mechanics, valeters, etc.
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He had not actually been prosecuted...
Thanks Yeah all I have had for the past couple months is my iPhone, but now I have money coming in again and want to have something functional for my computering needs! I do like the idea of a Mac, if only because it'll integrate with all my accounts, etc so well.
I was just trying to be cheap about this purchase though, but maybe now's not the time to be cheap?
once saw him flip a cop car onto a family of 4, because the teenage daughter said that liquid drum and bass was preferable to jungle
Ooh yes
All of the fucking authority figures in that kid's life were trying to give him a scarlet letter but they hadn't yet so it's ok
silly goose
fucking edict
Yeah, I do a significant amount of stuff on my iPad... and for a while I was doing almost everything on it (including coding, with textastic and a bluetooth keyboard).
You can do work on an iPad, but there are a few tasks where the workarounds are too cumbersome, and a laptop absolutely excels. I still think I would have a hard time running my business without the iPad, as a significant amount of my proposal work and billing management happens on there, even if I do most of the work on my iMac or Macbook Air.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
goddamn Ryse if anything looks fucking gorgeous
http://i.minus.com/ibw6vQyQPUz3Nm.gif
... yet
Stop
Just
Fucking
Stop
No, he was being threatened with it. That's what I'm saying. It was and is an absurd overreaction that terrified a child into suicide, and they should be ashamed of themselves.
Currently there are some formulations of the law where it would, assuming the judge decided I was doing Capital J Journalism (and not protected if I failed in my attempt to prove I was), and there are some formulations where I would need to be working for An Official News Reporting Company Place to get protection, and otherwise I'm boned.
I'm saying that I think everyone should get that protection by default because the days when there were information gatekeepers who reported the news are gone. We all carry video cameras, we all have the ability to reach a global audience. We should all be protected in the same way.
Whatever, i'm sorry for bring facts into this.
Yes, it was totally the Sex offender registry that caused this kid to kill himself. The registry that he could maybe get on if somebody maybe decided to prosecute as an adult, then a judge maybe decided that was reasonable, then he was maybe convicted as an adult.
The fact that this kid killed himself is horrible. I just detest it when someone decides to use such a thing to advance a political goal that is only tangentially related.
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R&S is having it's 30 anniversary next week
madness
See that? This is why I am not really concerned with the minor power differential between the PS4 and the XBO - the games are going to be ridiculously beautiful on both. That is a launch title.
This was a launch title on the xbox 360:
Now think about Halo 4 or Grand Theft Auto or whatever other recent 360 games and what they look like.
Next gen is going to be fucking beautiful.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Move along, Citizen
There has never been a forumer by that name
Something something East Asia
How is the atrocious state of the sex offenders laws only tangentially related?
@surrealitycheck
We know the facts
Fuck you
There's nothing new under the [chat]
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hells yeah
I don't even know what your point is.
You're suggesting that a child should have had the emotional maturity to deal with the most significant authority figures in his life setting out to destroy it by trusting that a system that had already massively overreacted would respond proportionately?
and I was fucking happy
now I'm crying
What's with Steam adding all those old-ass game for olds?
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Uh, my understanding of the patch from the thread.
SHIT JUST GOT CRAZY!
Also still not 100% certain if the crazy is real.
and then he pulled off a full combo penta
Hmm.
I remember reading a thing ages ago which asserted that Lamborghinis which are written off are almost invariably being driven by people other than their owners - car park attendants, mechanics, valeters, etc.
It's an animated movie where you push buttons sometimes.
I was going to respond to this by posting happy music, but I don't think I actually know any happy music
I can do wistfully introspective music
(hugs)