I love these because Wonder Girl is dark skinned and Supergirl is plus sized
Whereas those characters in the comics for the past 20 years could switch costumes and still look the same.
Yeah Batgirl is super hyper and fun, Supergirl looks like a girl who can punch you through a wall, and Wonder Girl actually looks like she could be Greek
Yeah that Cap article was crazy silly. The response to it I read on some site I cannot remember was pretty great though. It boils down to pointing out that Cap is better characterized as a young socialist who was inspired to travel to fight in WW2 before America even got in the fight based on the tenor of the times and the inspiration for the character.
He really doesn't make that much sense as a jingoistic old-grandpa-racist guy unless you think that 100% of the past is populated exclusively by upper-class white conservative men.
Socialist doesn't really work for me either. Or at most, it works for me in the Chestertonian sense of "I called myself a Socialist; because the only alternative to being a Socialist was not being a Socialist. And not being a Socialist was a perfectly ghastly thing."
He doesn't fit neatly into any particular "-ist" category, except maybe "humanist". "Socialist", in particular, doesn't work unless they've added a hell of a lot more economic/political strategies to comics that I missed.
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Cap is straight out not interesting if he's just hardass ultra nationalist soldier dude. The whole "well that is more realistic to how a soldier from the 40s would be" might not even be wrong, but it's not a dude I am remotely interested in reading about.
Cap is supposed to be the best of us, and when he's written well that is what makes him an interesting character.
It's incredibly cynical think that these characters need to be so strongly defined by their flaws.
It wasn't good, but it was okay. Probably better than early The Batman, but admittedly that's a pretty low bar. I always felt it was overly knocked for replacing two legitimately good shows (GL and Young Justice). Animation was rough, but got better each episode.
I think people were unfairly tough on the show for using lesser known villains too. And the animation definitely hurt. The CG just didn't work. Gotham looked way too clean and empty.
However, the writing wasn't that bad and improved quite a bit later on.
I didn't mind the use of lesser-villains, but in some cases the lesser villain was used as a simple replacement for a mainstream one.
For example, the first episode dealt eco-terrorists and Poison Ivy would have been a pretty obvious choice, but instead they used Professor Pyg and Mister Toad. Neither of those characters show any signs of caring about the environment in the comics, but were changed so they could fit into the archtype of eco-terrorist.
I liked the idea of lesser known villains, but shoehorning them in just to say they use lesser known villains was kinda dumb.
Stanley Tucci makes this point in the first dang movie
If Steve had been a strong man his whole life and had always been comfortable with power, it's entirely possible he could be a hardass macho jackass, just like what's his name from the SSR unit. Hodge? The bully
But it's because Steve came from a place of weakness and vulnerability that he is so decent and can be on the side of anyone who's been stepped on or held down their whole life, whether it be people of a different nationality or sexual orientation or whatever
Stanley Tucci makes this point in the first dang movie
If Steve had been a strong man his whole life and had always been comfortable with power, it's entirely possible he could be a hardass macho jackass, just like what's his name from the SSR unit. Hodge? The bully
But it's because Steve came from a place of weakness and vulnerability that he is so decent and can be on the side of anyone who's been stepped on or held down their whole life, whether it be people of a different nationality or sexual orientation or whatever
I watched Cap today cause I like it so much and also I kept getting woken up last night so I've had about an hour total of sleep and am emotionally vulnerable and cried at the end
Comics, at least, seem like they might finally be shaking it off, but in mass media, we have some moron claiming that a character like Captain America, a character created to represent the best of us and be an inspiration for the values that we’re supposed to believe in even if the reality doesn’t always measure up, can only be “interesting” if he’s a jingoistic, imperialist asshole.
This seems like a good time for one of my favorite quotes, from Greg Rucka
"…for the contingent out there who sneer at heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman and Captain America, those icons who still, at their core, represent selfless sacrifice for the greater good, and who justify their contempt by saying, oh, it’s so unrealistic, no one would ever be so noble… grow up. Seriously. Cynicism is not maturity, do not mistake the one for the other. If you truly cannot accept a story where someone does the right thing because it’s the right thing to do, that says far more about who you are than these characters."
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I used to be one of those people who thought Captain America was lame and goofy and whatever, and then I read Discworld and he is sort of Captain Carrot, he is a guy that makes you be a better version of yourself because you don't want to disappoint him, because he makes you want to try just by being himself and expecting that people will be good and decent
It all clicked for me and I got it and now I think he's great
I used to be one of those people who thought Captain America was lame and goofy and whatever, and then I read Discworld and he is sort of Captain Carrot, he is a guy that makes you be a better version of yourself because you don't want to disappoint him, because he makes you want to try just by being himself and expecting that people will be good and decent
It all clicked for me and I got it and now I think he's great
There's a bit during Civil War where spider-man goes up against him, and him describing how wrong that makes him feel is one of my favorite things ever
Quentin Quite teaming up with Cap on the psychic plane was one of my favorite things in A+X
Hell maybe the best thing to come out of the whole AvX thing
That'd be true for me if Cap+Jubilee wasn't even better
Loki+Mr. Sinister was pretty great also
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Right? Because if he's disappointed in you it's like your dad and your favorite teacher and I dunno, Jesus all rolled into one, not that you're going to be suicidal or anything but you're going to feel so awful
He kinda reminds me of like Dick Winters from Band of Brothers
Like everyone else is desperately trying to keep themselves alive
And then Winters comes along and he's not only not dying, he's spending twice as much energy urging everyone else on and looking out for his men
Even though he's actually just a normal dude who's going through his own shit, his selfless example is so, well, superheroic, that his men are more afraid of disappointing him than they are of dying.
Which is also btw why I really prefer a Captain America that kills people, btw. Not because it's more grimdark, but because he retains his optimism and innate goodness despite it.
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Sorry if I'm bringing up a subject we've argued over several pages back again but I saw a scan or two of the last issue of Uncanny X-Men and I'd like to know if there's any valid reason for...
...Cyclops to accuse Beast of using Cerebro to sic Sentinels against his (Cyclops') team. I know Henry's getting a lot of flak, due and undue, for bringing the original team into the present but there has to be a really GOOD reason why Scott would even think Henry would actually HELP Sentinels attack mutants, right?
well, I suppose Beast could just be at the point where he believe peace is impossible while rogue mutan groups are causing trouble and generally flipping off legitimate authorities, sort of basically going off the deep end opposite of Cyclops' deep end, but I doubt it.
Either Hank has nothing to do with it, or he's being mentally influenced by something.
Actually that makes me wonder: Has there ever been a human appeaser mutant villain? Like a mutant who kills or otherwise harms mutants who scare humans and make mutants look bad?
I wish I could see a live-action Batman move kind of like how the Arkham series' Batman does.
I'd like this
I would also love to see a Batman movie where every stealthy Batman scene is shot like a horror movie from the perspective of a particular thug
Yeah, a Batman movie in which Batman is legitimately scary and intimidating would be rad.
Even better! Cut in some scenes of Bruce Wayne being all detective-y in the bat cave (or maybe on the scene?)
And for extra kicks, cut it to make it look like Bruce Wayne is hunting some crazed maniac who keeps terrorizing street-level thugs. Give it a real Jekyll/Hyde vibe.
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Yeah Batgirl is super hyper and fun, Supergirl looks like a girl who can punch you through a wall, and Wonder Girl actually looks like she could be Greek
He doesn't fit neatly into any particular "-ist" category, except maybe "humanist". "Socialist", in particular, doesn't work unless they've added a hell of a lot more economic/political strategies to comics that I missed.
Well he kept doing them and this ones pretty good if only for the ending
Cap is supposed to be the best of us, and when he's written well that is what makes him an interesting character.
It's incredibly cynical think that these characters need to be so strongly defined by their flaws.
I didn't mind the use of lesser-villains, but in some cases the lesser villain was used as a simple replacement for a mainstream one.
For example, the first episode dealt eco-terrorists and Poison Ivy would have been a pretty obvious choice, but instead they used Professor Pyg and Mister Toad. Neither of those characters show any signs of caring about the environment in the comics, but were changed so they could fit into the archtype of eco-terrorist.
I liked the idea of lesser known villains, but shoehorning them in just to say they use lesser known villains was kinda dumb.
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If Steve had been a strong man his whole life and had always been comfortable with power, it's entirely possible he could be a hardass macho jackass, just like what's his name from the SSR unit. Hodge? The bully
But it's because Steve came from a place of weakness and vulnerability that he is so decent and can be on the side of anyone who's been stepped on or held down their whole life, whether it be people of a different nationality or sexual orientation or whatever
this is the whole point
love this speech
Coran Attack!
This seems like a good time for one of my favorite quotes, from Greg Rucka
"…for the contingent out there who sneer at heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman and Captain America, those icons who still, at their core, represent selfless sacrifice for the greater good, and who justify their contempt by saying, oh, it’s so unrealistic, no one would ever be so noble… grow up. Seriously. Cynicism is not maturity, do not mistake the one for the other. If you truly cannot accept a story where someone does the right thing because it’s the right thing to do, that says far more about who you are than these characters."
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It all clicked for me and I got it and now I think he's great
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There's a bit during Civil War where spider-man goes up against him, and him describing how wrong that makes him feel is one of my favorite things ever
Holy shit.
That would be the worst thing in the world.
Hell maybe the best thing to come out of the whole AvX thing
That'd be true for me if Cap+Jubilee wasn't even better
Loki+Mr. Sinister was pretty great also
Like everyone else is desperately trying to keep themselves alive
And then Winters comes along and he's not only not dying, he's spending twice as much energy urging everyone else on and looking out for his men
Even though he's actually just a normal dude who's going through his own shit, his selfless example is so, well, superheroic, that his men are more afraid of disappointing him than they are of dying.
Which is also btw why I really prefer a Captain America that kills people, btw. Not because it's more grimdark, but because he retains his optimism and innate goodness despite it.
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Either Hank has nothing to do with it, or he's being mentally influenced by something.
Actually that makes me wonder: Has there ever been a human appeaser mutant villain? Like a mutant who kills or otherwise harms mutants who scare humans and make mutants look bad?
Even better! Cut in some scenes of Bruce Wayne being all detective-y in the bat cave (or maybe on the scene?)
And for extra kicks, cut it to make it look like Bruce Wayne is hunting some crazed maniac who keeps terrorizing street-level thugs. Give it a real Jekyll/Hyde vibe.
That'd be amazing.