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  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Leitner wrote: »
    It doesnt seem very useful to compare game sales to movie sales. You cant preorder a theater ticket months in advance (that I know of), and supply is rather limited to seats which is more harder to come by than copies of games (if desired)

    Agreed, DVD sales would be a more apt comparison and I highly doubt Halo 3 will get even near some of the best selling DVDs (then again, it won't get anywhere near the best selling games either).

    Sarcasm? Because if it's near to Halo 2 it'll still rank as one of the best selling games ever. By best selling I mean one of the top twenty most sold games ever.

    Actually, according to vgcharts (which I agree can be doubtful but it's still the best thing we've got) Halo 2 is the 32nd best selling game of all time. Hell, last gen Gran Turismo 3 and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas nearly sold twice as much as Halo 2 did (include the XB and PC San Andreas sales and it probably is).

    Halo 3 will sell really well but it's not going to suddenly become the best selling game evar!

    Wikipedia has Halo 2 as the eighteenth most sold game and about four million behind Sand Andreas. So less then half as much again, not nearly twice as much.

  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Leitner wrote: »
    Leitner wrote: »
    It doesnt seem very useful to compare game sales to movie sales. You cant preorder a theater ticket months in advance (that I know of), and supply is rather limited to seats which is more harder to come by than copies of games (if desired)

    Agreed, DVD sales would be a more apt comparison and I highly doubt Halo 3 will get even near some of the best selling DVDs (then again, it won't get anywhere near the best selling games either).

    Sarcasm? Because if it's near to Halo 2 it'll still rank as one of the best selling games ever. By best selling I mean one of the top twenty most sold games ever.

    Actually, according to vgcharts (which I agree can be doubtful but it's still the best thing we've got) Halo 2 is the 32nd best selling game of all time. Hell, last gen Gran Turismo 3 and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas nearly sold twice as much as Halo 2 did (include the XB and PC San Andreas sales and it probably is).

    Halo 3 will sell really well but it's not going to suddenly become the best selling game evar!

    Wikipedia has Halo 2 as the eighteenth most sold game and about four million behind Sand Andreas. So less then half as much again, not nearly twice as much.

    VGcharts may not be completely accurate but it's still a hell of a lot more reliable than Wikipedia. So sorry but I'm going to stick with the ~15 million numbers for GTA: SA (PS2 version) and GT3 and the ~8 million for Halo 2.

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  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Leitner wrote: »
    Leitner wrote: »
    It doesnt seem very useful to compare game sales to movie sales. You cant preorder a theater ticket months in advance (that I know of), and supply is rather limited to seats which is more harder to come by than copies of games (if desired)

    Agreed, DVD sales would be a more apt comparison and I highly doubt Halo 3 will get even near some of the best selling DVDs (then again, it won't get anywhere near the best selling games either).

    Sarcasm? Because if it's near to Halo 2 it'll still rank as one of the best selling games ever. By best selling I mean one of the top twenty most sold games ever.

    Actually, according to vgcharts (which I agree can be doubtful but it's still the best thing we've got) Halo 2 is the 32nd best selling game of all time. Hell, last gen Gran Turismo 3 and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas nearly sold twice as much as Halo 2 did (include the XB and PC San Andreas sales and it probably is).

    Halo 3 will sell really well but it's not going to suddenly become the best selling game evar!

    Wikipedia has Halo 2 as the eighteenth most sold game and about four million behind Sand Andreas. So less then half as much again, not nearly twice as much.

    VGcharts may not be completely accurate but it's still a hell of a lot more reliable than Wikipedia. So sorry but I'm going to stick with the ~15 million numbers for GTA: SA (PS2 version) and GT3 and the ~8 million for Halo 2.

    (February 2005) "Big Sales for Halo 2 and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas". GamePro (197): 24. Has Halo 2 at 9.2 million.

    Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. Reports First Quarter Fiscal 2005 Financial Results. Take-Two Interactive (2005-03-03). Retrieved on 2006-11-26. Has Sandreas at 12 million for the PS2.

  • Inglorious CoyoteInglorious Coyote Registered User
    edited September 2007
    Halo 2 has sold 9.2 million at this point.

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Don't feel bad though, in another thread cloudeagle called Ninja Gaiden a huge series in Japan, when the original release didn't even sell 100k (in fact Sigma took about a month to outsell it). <img class=" title=":lol:" class="bbcode_smiley" />

    Actually I was referring to the PS3 version. Plus both versions was enough to cause a significant spike in system sales. So, nyah.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Leitner wrote: »
    Leitner wrote: »
    It doesnt seem very useful to compare game sales to movie sales. You cant preorder a theater ticket months in advance (that I know of), and supply is rather limited to seats which is more harder to come by than copies of games (if desired)

    Agreed, DVD sales would be a more apt comparison and I highly doubt Halo 3 will get even near some of the best selling DVDs (then again, it won't get anywhere near the best selling games either).

    Sarcasm? Because if it's near to Halo 2 it'll still rank as one of the best selling games ever. By best selling I mean one of the top twenty most sold games ever.

    Actually, according to vgcharts (which I agree can be doubtful but it's still the best thing we've got) Halo 2 is the 32nd best selling game of all time. Hell, last gen Gran Turismo 3 and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas nearly sold twice as much as Halo 2 did (include the XB and PC San Andreas sales and it probably is).

    Halo 3 will sell really well but it's not going to suddenly become the best selling game evar!

    Wikipedia has Halo 2 as the eighteenth most sold game and about four million behind Sand Andreas. So less then half as much again, not nearly twice as much.

    VGcharts may not be completely accurate but it's still a hell of a lot more reliable than Wikipedia. So sorry but I'm going to stick with the ~15 million numbers for GTA: SA (PS2 version) and GT3 and the ~8 million for Halo 2.
    Wikipedia requires sources for their numbers. VGcharts pulls their numbers out of their ass.

  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    The 1.25 million preorder figure, does anyone know how trustworthy it is? Because 6 weeks ago Microsoft said a million, and since only 250k? I figured it would be way more.

  • tachyontachyon Registered User
    edited September 2007
    What if the wikipedia sources are VGCharts!?!

    P A R A D O X

  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    VGChartz is banned from neoGAF for a reason.

    That reason being all its data is made up.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    tachyon wrote: »
    What if the wikipedia sources are VGCharts!?!

    P A R A D O X

    VGcharts is banned as a source from wikipedia.

  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Leitner wrote: »
    (February 2005) "Big Sales for Halo 2 and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas". GamePro (197): 24. Has Halo 2 at 9.2 million.

    Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. Reports First Quarter Fiscal 2005 Financial Results. Take-Two Interactive (2005-03-03). Retrieved on 2006-11-26. Has Sandreas at 12 million for the PS2.

    Are there any sources you can find that I can actually read? Referencing a two year old magazine isn't exactly very helpful.

    But assuming that Halo 2 sold 9.2 million and even excluding packed-in games (like Super Mario Bros and Tetris), Halo 2 still wouldn't be in the top 20 best selling games. Wikipedia's list excludes PC games, which means Halo 2 would be knocked out after The Sims and The Sims 2 were added to the list. So there.

    As for San Andreas, that number is from two freaking years ago. It's not hard to believe that they've sold another couple of million in that time frame. In fact the San Andreas page mentions that as of June 2007, it's sold over 14 million (and even references another bloody magazine).

    Also, the Gran Turismo 3 number they've got listed is wrong. According to Polyphony's own sales list GT3 has sold around 14.87 million and GT4 around 9.2 million (not including the Prologue and Concept's).

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    On a slight tangent, does anyone think that the sales boost from Halo 3 will be enough to put the hardware sales for the 360 back ahead of the Wii?

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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Spoit wrote: »
    On a slight tangent, does anyone think that the sales boost from Halo 3 will be enough to put the hardware sales for the 360 back ahead of the Wii?

    I think it'll be really close, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it happen.

  • chasmchasm Ill-tempered Texan Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Maybe they should release 3 different versions of Halo 3 where each version has different monsters in the campaign that can be traded for with other versions. Or they could give you a limited selection of weapons, and you have to trade for the rest.

    It might get further up the best selling games list.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Leitner wrote: »
    (February 2005) "Big Sales for Halo 2 and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas". GamePro (197): 24. Has Halo 2 at 9.2 million.

    Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. Reports First Quarter Fiscal 2005 Financial Results. Take-Two Interactive (2005-03-03). Retrieved on 2006-11-26. Has Sandreas at 12 million for the PS2.

    Are there any sources you can find that I can actually read? Referencing a two year old magazine isn't exactly very helpful.


    As for San Andreas, that number is from two freaking years ago.

    :|

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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Don't feel bad though, in another thread cloudeagle called Ninja Gaiden a huge series in Japan, when the original release didn't even sell 100k (in fact Sigma took about a month to outsell it). <img class=" title=":lol:" class="bbcode_smiley" />

    Actually I was referring to the PS3 version. Plus both versions was enough to cause a significant spike in system sales. So, nyah.

    You specifically said that Ninja Gaiden was a huge name in Japan and the problem with that is none of the them have even managed to sell 100k over there (Sigma might be close though).

    As for the spike in PS3 sales, it was probably due to how few good PS3 titles came out, rather than the actual game franchise itself.

    bruin: While looking through Wikipedia, I did notice that Halo 2 supposedly recorded 1.5 million pre-orders (which I believe Microsoft also announced). Both could indeed be genuine or it might just be Microsoft spin. Who knows?

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  • tarnoktarnok Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Did anyone point out the the PSP seems to have enjoyed a 533% increase in sales over last week? Is this due to Final Fantasy, the release of the new PSP or both?

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I'd attribute all of that growth to Crisis Core.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    tarnok wrote: »
    Did anyone point out the the PSP seems to have enjoyed a 533% increase in sales over last week? Is this due to Final Fantasy, the release of the new PSP or both?

    The Final Fantasy game is the reason for it. There was also a bundle that came with the game so a lot of people probably bought the bundle.

  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.

  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.

    Welcome to any encyclopedia ever. It's links, however, do tend to be reliable.

  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Leitner wrote: »
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.

    Welcome to any encyclopedia ever. It's links, however, do tend to be reliable.

    Other encyclopedias are not editable by anyone with an internet connection.

  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.

    You could not be more wrong.

    scarab you have mental problems
  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Spoit wrote: »
    On a slight tangent, does anyone think that the sales boost from Halo 3 will be enough to put the hardware sales for the 360 back ahead of the Wii?

    For a month until Mario comes out, sure.

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.

    You could not be more wrong.

    You have no way of backing up that statement.
    Because it's wrong.


    Hell, EA edited it to make themselves look better.

  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything. [citation needed]

  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Xagarath wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.

    You could not be more wrong.

    You have no way of backing up that statement.
    Because it's wrong.


    Hell, EA edited it to make themselves look better.

    Ok, so you have shown example of one article which is unreliable out of nearly 2 million.

    Do you fully understand the sheer amount of articles based on science, chemistry, history and whatnot that are 100% factually accurate. They account for well over half of all wikipedia articles.

    What you SHOULD have said to not be wrong is 'Take all wikipedia articles with a grain of salt' because while ostensibly they are accurate they could be altered.

    saying wikipedia is unreliable on everything is stupid and naive.

    scarab you have mental problems
  • Inglorious CoyoteInglorious Coyote Registered User
    edited September 2007
    Xagarath wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.

    You could not be more wrong.

    You have no way of backing up that statement.
    Because it's wrong.


    Hell, EA edited it to make themselves look better.
    And got found out rather quickly.

    Yes, anyone can edit Wiki. And anyone can re-edit Wiki to fix the biased crap that appears, which is what those anal folks who police wiki do.

  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    LewieP wrote: »
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything. [citation needed]

    Could not have said it better. <img class=" title=":lol:" class="bbcode_smiley" />

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  • chasmchasm Ill-tempered Texan Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Didn't some independent group find that Wikipedia is no less accurate than the average encyclopedia?

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    LewieP wrote: »
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything. [citation needed]

    Could not have said it better. <img class=" title=":lol:" class="bbcode_smiley" />

    hmm, this might have been better

  • Inglorious CoyoteInglorious Coyote Registered User
    edited September 2007
    chasm wrote: »
    Didn't some independent group find that Wikipedia is no less accurate than the average encyclopedia?
    They found that it has less errors on average than the Encyclopedia Brittanica.

  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Leitner wrote: »
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.

    Welcome to any encyclopedia ever. It's links, however, do tend to be reliable.

    Other encyclopedias are not editable by anyone with an internet connection.

    Which is why I'll use wikipedia over a standard encyclopedia any day of the week.

    p.s. Wikipedia has been found in various studies to be as reliable facts wise as print encyclpedias, averaging the same number of errors in various samples.

  • PureauthorPureauthor Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    First off:

    You people who insist on denying that Wikipedia holds any worth whatsoever, have you people actually visited it within the past... I dunno, ever? While anyone can edit it and mess it up, this also means that (SHOCK!) anyone can edit it back to make it correct again! Not to mention the people dedicating to fixing the site's info would see it as more of a job than some pastime, and so would be more persistent in fixing the site than some obnoxious preteen who wants to insist that Martin Luther King Jr. had three heads. (Which is a bit of stretch, considering that I'm unsure most preteens know who Martin Luther King Jr. is.)

    Secondly, the large majority of Wikipedia's information is sourced to other sites that are not Wikipedia. And that's why Wikipedia is a godsend - you go to the main page, and you'll generally have links up the wazoo to -gasp!- other pages! That aren't Wikipedia! And may even be reliable! And Wikipedia uses these links and sources for their information!

    Thirdly, Wikipedia has been, in various tests, found to be as accurate, if not moreso, than your average encyclopedia. Perception =/= reality, otherwise the PSP has no games, and the XBox 360 has nothing but shooters.

    Secondly:
    toxk_02 wrote: »
    Mario Strikers just got released in Japan so this week we'll see how far demand is really down or if they're just waiting for games. This depends if Mario Strikers is popular or not, I don't have a clue how the Gamecube predecessor held up.

    Mario Strikers Charged absolutely bombed on first day sales according to the sinobi blog. Maybe it'll pick up over the week, but... enh. Not looking good.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I got banned from editing Wikipedia entries for 2 years after changing the article on avalanches, specifically the section on how to survive an avalanche by adding 'Grab hold of yetis dick' yeah that was me and it lasted a few weeks but this was back before wikipedia was anywhere near as moderated as it is now.

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  • darleysamdarleysam Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    LewieP wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    LewieP wrote: »
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything. [citation needed]

    Could not have said it better. <img class=" title=":lol:" class="bbcode_smiley" />

    hmm, this might have been better

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  • JimothyJimothy Not in front of the fox he's with the owlRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    chasm wrote: »
    Maybe they should release 3 different versions of Halo 3 where each version has different monsters in the campaign that can be traded for with other versions. Or they could give you a limited selection of weapons, and you have to trade for the rest.

    It might get further up the best selling games list.

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Xagarath wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.

    You could not be more wrong.

    You have no way of backing up that statement.
    Because it's wrong.


    Hell, EA edited it to make themselves look better.

    Ok, so you have shown example of one article which is unreliable out of nearly 2 million.

    Do you fully understand the sheer amount of articles based on science, chemistry, history and whatnot that are 100% factually accurate. They account for well over half of all wikipedia articles.

    What you SHOULD have said to not be wrong is 'Take all wikipedia articles with a grain of salt' because while ostensibly they are accurate they could be altered.

    saying wikipedia is unreliable on everything is stupid and naive.
    I didn't say it was unreliable on everything. I said it wasn't reliable for anything. There's a clear distinction of meaning.
    Learn to read.

    And for all those rabbiting on about regular encyclopedias by contrast, they don't generally contain things like sales figures at all, not would I rely on them for them if they did.

    By the way, the test referred to showed it was more grammatically accurate than the Enclopedia Britannica online, which was neither a comparison with the (different) print version nor at all relevant to the issue of factual accuracy.

  • PureauthorPureauthor Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Xagarath wrote: »
    I didn't say it was unreliable on everything. I said it wasn't reliable for anything. There's a clear distinction of meaning.
    Learn to read.

    Apparently I need to learn to read, then. If it's not reliable for Subject (A), (A) being a variable, then by extension it must be unreliable for Subject (A). In the case of 'anything', Subject (A) then covers the entire spectrum, which is, well, everything.

    So what's the clear 'distinction of meaning' here?

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  • WickerBasketWickerBasket Registered User
    edited September 2007
    Jimothy wrote: »
    chasm wrote: »
    Maybe they should release 3 different versions of Halo 3 where each version has different monsters in the campaign that can be traded for with other versions. Or they could give you a limited selection of weapons, and you have to trade for the rest.

    It might get further up the best selling games list.

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    So what are you so afraid of?

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    Edit: Also, stop arguing about the reliability of Wikipedia. It's a hell of a lot more reliable than vgchartz and thats all that needs to be said. Games numbers are really hard to comeby outside of the US and Japan, I wouldn't really trust anything other than the NPD and Media Create.

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