You people who insist on denying that Wikipedia holds any worth whatsoever, have you people actually visited it within the past... I dunno, ever? While anyone can edit it and mess it up, this also means that (SHOCK!) anyone can edit it back to make it correct again! Not to mention the people dedicating to fixing the site's info would see it as more of a job than some pastime, and so would be more persistent in fixing the site than some obnoxious preteen who wants to insist that Martin Luther King Jr. had three heads. (Which is a bit of stretch, considering that I'm unsure most preteens know who Martin Luther King Jr. is.)
Secondly, the large majority of Wikipedia's information is sourced to other sites that are not Wikipedia. And that's why Wikipedia is a godsend - you go to the main page, and you'll generally have links up the wazoo to -gasp!- other pages! That aren't Wikipedia! And may even be reliable! And Wikipedia uses these links and sources for their information!
Thirdly, Wikipedia has been, in various tests, found to be as accurate, if not moreso, than your average encyclopedia. Perception =/= reality, otherwise the PSP has no games, and the XBox 360 has nothing but shooters.
Mario Strikers just got released in Japan so this week we'll see how far demand is really down or if they're just waiting for games. This depends if Mario Strikers is popular or not, I don't have a clue how the Gamecube predecessor held up.
Mario Strikers Charged absolutely bombed on first day sales according to the sinobi blog. Maybe it'll pick up over the week, but... enh. Not looking good.
I got banned from editing Wikipedia entries for 2 years after changing the article on avalanches, specifically the section on how to survive an avalanche by adding 'Grab hold of yetis dick' yeah that was me and it lasted a few weeks but this was back before wikipedia was anywhere near as moderated as it is now.
Maybe they should release 3 different versions of Halo 3 where each version has different monsters in the campaign that can be traded for with other versions. Or they could give you a limited selection of weapons, and you have to trade for the rest.
It might get further up the best selling games list.
You have no way of backing up that statement.
Because it's wrong.
Hell, EA edited it to make themselves look better.
Ok, so you have shown example of one article which is unreliable out of nearly 2 million.
Do you fully understand the sheer amount of articles based on science, chemistry, history and whatnot that are 100% factually accurate. They account for well over half of all wikipedia articles.
What you SHOULD have said to not be wrong is 'Take all wikipedia articles with a grain of salt' because while ostensibly they are accurate they could be altered.
saying wikipedia is unreliable on everything is stupid and naive.
I didn't say it was unreliable on everything. I said it wasn't reliable for anything. There's a clear distinction of meaning.
Learn to read.
And for all those rabbiting on about regular encyclopedias by contrast, they don't generally contain things like sales figures at all, not would I rely on them for them if they did.
By the way, the test referred to showed it was more grammatically accurate than the Enclopedia Britannica online, which was neither a comparison with the (different) print version nor at all relevant to the issue of factual accuracy.
I didn't say it was unreliable on everything. I said it wasn't reliable for anything. There's a clear distinction of meaning.
Learn to read.
Apparently I need to learn to read, then. If it's not reliable for Subject (A), (A) being a variable, then by extension it must be unreliable for Subject (A). In the case of 'anything', Subject (A) then covers the entire spectrum, which is, well, everything.
So what's the clear 'distinction of meaning' here?
Maybe they should release 3 different versions of Halo 3 where each version has different monsters in the campaign that can be traded for with other versions. Or they could give you a limited selection of weapons, and you have to trade for the rest.
It might get further up the best selling games list.
I...I think I love you.
So what are you so afraid of?
The power of love?
Edit: Also, stop arguing about the reliability of Wikipedia. It's a hell of a lot more reliable than vgchartz and thats all that needs to be said. Games numbers are really hard to comeby outside of the US and Japan, I wouldn't really trust anything other than the NPD and Media Create.
You have no way of backing up that statement.
Because it's wrong.
Hell, EA edited it to make themselves look better.
Ok, so you have shown example of one article which is unreliable out of nearly 2 million.
Do you fully understand the sheer amount of articles based on science, chemistry, history and whatnot that are 100% factually accurate. They account for well over half of all wikipedia articles.
What you SHOULD have said to not be wrong is 'Take all wikipedia articles with a grain of salt' because while ostensibly they are accurate they could be altered.
saying wikipedia is unreliable on everything is stupid and naive.
I didn't say it was unreliable on everything. I said it wasn't reliable for anything. There's a clear distinction of meaning.
Learn to read.
Nope. Wrong again.
If you say it is not reliable for anything, that means all wikipedia articles are classed as unreliable. therefore everything is unreliable by virtue of you saying that all wikipedia articles are the opposite of reliable, which is unreliable.
which is bullshit, because the wikipedia article on ME is accurate. so that shoots down your argument first off. secondly, like i said, you are taking one tiny miniscule fraction of the wikipedia articles, they have thousands, nay, millions of articles which are copied verbatim from textbooks and science journals. Wikipedia, like I said, should always be studied carefully and never used as a primary source for debate, but to say it is all unreliable is plain wrong. wikipedia is a source of a shitton of reliable, concrete evidence on all manner of subjects. sure, SOME articles are unreliable, but nowhere fucking near all.
dismissing wikipedia are innacurate in the same thread where people are citing vgchartz numbers smacks os insanity. one is clearly orders of magniture more reliable than the other.
wiki works well as a springboard to other sites and information and a great place to head to if you need some quick facts. That said, even if a lot (I might even venture to say most) of the information there is accurate, you can never assume that it is all accurate. In that sense you really do have to have an air of suspicious when using wiki as a source. That's why it's not accepted as a valid resource in schools and institutions of higher learning. Wiki is awesome and I wholeheartedly support citing it in a relaxed environment such as the PA forums but I would never advise taking it as concrete evidence.
Anywho, strikers bombed in japan? That's a damn shame. Don't they love soccer over there? Or is that just in Korea? Strikers deserves solid sales...I hope it picks back up.
wiki works well as a springboard to other sites and information and a great place to head to if you need some quick facts. That said, even if a lot (I might even venture to say most) of the information there is accurate, you can never assume that it is all accurate. In that sense you really do have to have an air of suspicious when using wiki as a source. That's why it's not excepted as a valid resource in schools and institutions of higher learning. Wiki is awesome and I wholeheartedly support citing it in a relaxed environment such as the PA forums but I would never advise taking it as concrete evidence.
Anywho, strikers bombed in japan? That's a damn shame. Don't they love soccer over there? Or is that just in Korea? Strikers deserves solid sales...I hope it picks back up.
should do really well in europe mind you. we love our football here. nintendo has also done a pretty big marketing push on it. ive seen TV ads. and I NEVER see nintendo tv ads. ever.
galaxy with break 1 mil before the end of the year. 2 mil before the end of the 4rth quarter (which ends at the start of Feb or something like that, right?)
While nintendo won't have half as much advertising, why do you think that Galaxies won't be half as sucessful as halo? The sales bases are about the same size, and if anything, mario is a stronger brand. I'd say at least 3 mil before the new years.
galaxy with break 1 mil before the end of the year. 2 mil before the end of the 4rth quarter (which ends at the start of Feb or something like that, right?)
Im going to guess it will sell less. I think most people are waiting on Brawl over Galaxy. Well I am. Didnt people also predict the same kind of high sales for Prime 3?
galaxy with break 1 mil before the end of the year. 2 mil before the end of the 4rth quarter (which ends at the start of Feb or something like that, right?)
Im going to guess it will sell less. I think most people are waiting on Brawl over Galaxy. Well I am. Didnt people also predict the same kind of high sales for Prime 3?
Except...all we know is the first 3 days of sales for prime 3, which were good, if not bioshock levels. It'll definately break 1M with the september NPD. And besides that, if any "hardcore" game is going to sell to the casuals, it'd be mario.
galaxy with break 1 mil before the end of the year. 2 mil before the end of the 4rth quarter (which ends at the start of Feb or something like that, right?)
Im going to guess it will sell less. I think most people are waiting on Brawl over Galaxy. Well I am. Didnt people also predict the same kind of high sales for Prime 3?
Except...all we know is the first 3 days of sales for prime 3, which were good, if not bioshock levels. It'll definately break 1M with the september NPD. And besides that, if any "hardcore" game is going to sell to the casuals, it'd be mario.
I dont think Prime 3 will break 1 million in the September NPD. People are attributing too much to the August NPD being 'just the first 3 days'
Big name franchies stack their sales early. for example, Halo 2 had over 2 million sales in the first 3 days.
Prime 3 is not going to trend as high as it did for those 3 days. You cant just extend those sales for another month at that rate to get over 1 million.
galaxy with break 1 mil before the end of the year. 2 mil before the end of the 4rth quarter (which ends at the start of Feb or something like that, right?)
Im going to guess it will sell less. I think most people are waiting on Brawl over Galaxy. Well I am. Didnt people also predict the same kind of high sales for Prime 3?
Except...all we know is the first 3 days of sales for prime 3, which were good, if not bioshock levels. It'll definately break 1M with the september NPD. And besides that, if any "hardcore" game is going to sell to the casuals, it'd be mario.
I dont think Prime 3 will break 1 million in the September NPD. People are attributing too much to the August NPD being 'just the first 3 days'
Big name franchies stack their sales early. for example, Halo 2 had over 2 million sales in the first 3 days.
Prime 3 is not going to trend as high as it did for those 3 days. You cant just extend those sales for another month at that rate to get over 1 million.
this isn't a bad asessment. However, I do think it's possible MP:3 could break a mil this month, and if not this month then definitely by the year's end. It sold better than Bioshock on the 360 on a weekly basis. Whether it has any staying power, well, that's yet to be determined.
but whatever, this meme is as baseless and as persistant as the "Gamecube is teh kiddy" meme.
It's not a Meme, I'm from Europe. Paper Mario JUST came out. There's nothing worth buying that I haven't played.
Edit: Also, Zelda wasn't very good.
stuff worth buying that you haven't played does not equal no good games.
I'm aware of that, but of the ones I have played none of them are good. Or they are party games.
Shit you didn't like also doesn't equal no good games. You argued that Super Mario Galaxy would sell well because there are no good games for the Wii and then when you were called on it you just added a bunch of qualifiers that make no sense considering the original argument. It is like arguing that there are no good games for the 360 and dismissing them because they are just shooters and racers or you didn't like the games.
Also, lets remember how badly Metroid Prime 2 sold.
The difference is sales is as much a testimant to the Wii as a viable platform for games that are not party games olol as it is a testament to the quality of the game.
I'm aware of that, but of the ones I have played none of them are good.
that is such a bullshit statement. You can say that for any console. By that account, the 360 has no good games because I haven't played any good games for it. And verily, I haven't. There are no games for the 360 that I've played that I have enjoyed enough to deam "good." But that doesn't mean squat. Your ignorance does not equate with fact.
Shit you didn't like also doesn't equal no good games. You argued that Super Mario Galaxy would sell well because there are no good games for the Wii and then when you were called on it you just added a bunch of qualifiers that make no sense considering the original argument. It is like arguing that there are no good games for the 360 and dismissing them because they are just shooters and racers or you didn't like the games.
Well in Europe there's what? Not much of anything. Should I play wii sports more, or ravin rabbits? My wii's in my closet right now because I'm disgusted with it.
Just like how the PS3 has a ton of great games out right now. Too bad it doesn't have more Halo though
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Shit you didn't like also doesn't equal no good games. You argued that Super Mario Galaxy would sell well because there are no good games for the Wii and then when you were called on it you just added a bunch of qualifiers that make no sense considering the original argument. It is like arguing that there are no good games for the 360 and dismissing them because they are just shooters and racers or you didn't like the games.
Well in Europe there's what? Not much of anything. Should I play wii sports more, or ravin rabbits? My wii's in my closet right now because I'm disgusted with it.
Mario Strikers, Excite Truck, Elebits, Metal Slug Anthology, RE4:Wii, MySims, etc. Whether or not you actually like these games doesn't really matter. You not liking these games doesn't make them bad games and saying that Mario Galaxy will sell well because there aren't any good games on the system is idiotic.
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You people who insist on denying that Wikipedia holds any worth whatsoever, have you people actually visited it within the past... I dunno, ever? While anyone can edit it and mess it up, this also means that (SHOCK!) anyone can edit it back to make it correct again! Not to mention the people dedicating to fixing the site's info would see it as more of a job than some pastime, and so would be more persistent in fixing the site than some obnoxious preteen who wants to insist that Martin Luther King Jr. had three heads. (Which is a bit of stretch, considering that I'm unsure most preteens know who Martin Luther King Jr. is.)
Secondly, the large majority of Wikipedia's information is sourced to other sites that are not Wikipedia. And that's why Wikipedia is a godsend - you go to the main page, and you'll generally have links up the wazoo to -gasp!- other pages! That aren't Wikipedia! And may even be reliable! And Wikipedia uses these links and sources for their information!
Thirdly, Wikipedia has been, in various tests, found to be as accurate, if not moreso, than your average encyclopedia. Perception =/= reality, otherwise the PSP has no games, and the XBox 360 has nothing but shooters.
Secondly:
Mario Strikers Charged absolutely bombed on first day sales according to the sinobi blog. Maybe it'll pick up over the week, but... enh. Not looking good.
Platinum FC: 2880 3245 5111
So what are you so afraid of?
Learn to read.
And for all those rabbiting on about regular encyclopedias by contrast, they don't generally contain things like sales figures at all, not would I rely on them for them if they did.
By the way, the test referred to showed it was more grammatically accurate than the Enclopedia Britannica online, which was neither a comparison with the (different) print version nor at all relevant to the issue of factual accuracy.
Apparently I need to learn to read, then. If it's not reliable for Subject (A), (A) being a variable, then by extension it must be unreliable for Subject (A). In the case of 'anything', Subject (A) then covers the entire spectrum, which is, well, everything.
So what's the clear 'distinction of meaning' here?
Platinum FC: 2880 3245 5111
The power of love?
Edit: Also, stop arguing about the reliability of Wikipedia. It's a hell of a lot more reliable than vgchartz and thats all that needs to be said. Games numbers are really hard to comeby outside of the US and Japan, I wouldn't really trust anything other than the NPD and Media Create.
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Nope. Wrong again.
If you say it is not reliable for anything, that means all wikipedia articles are classed as unreliable. therefore everything is unreliable by virtue of you saying that all wikipedia articles are the opposite of reliable, which is unreliable.
which is bullshit, because the wikipedia article on ME is accurate. so that shoots down your argument first off. secondly, like i said, you are taking one tiny miniscule fraction of the wikipedia articles, they have thousands, nay, millions of articles which are copied verbatim from textbooks and science journals. Wikipedia, like I said, should always be studied carefully and never used as a primary source for debate, but to say it is all unreliable is plain wrong. wikipedia is a source of a shitton of reliable, concrete evidence on all manner of subjects. sure, SOME articles are unreliable, but nowhere fucking near all.
dismissing wikipedia are innacurate in the same thread where people are citing vgchartz numbers smacks os insanity. one is clearly orders of magniture more reliable than the other.
Anywho, strikers bombed in japan? That's a damn shame. Don't they love soccer over there? Or is that just in Korea? Strikers deserves solid sales...I hope it picks back up.
should do really well in europe mind you. we love our football here. nintendo has also done a pretty big marketing push on it. ive seen TV ads. and I NEVER see nintendo tv ads. ever.
Platinum FC: 2880 3245 5111
I heard it had something like 400k preorders a few weeks ago. Any truth to that?
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Platinum FC: 2880 3245 5111
Im going to guess it will sell less. I think most people are waiting on Brawl over Galaxy. Well I am. Didnt people also predict the same kind of high sales for Prime 3?
Yeah...It'll sell more than that. Sunshine did 5 million lifetime, and Wii is quickly going to catch and pass the LTD sales of the Cube.
It comes with a good game in the box.
and tonnes more on the shelves of stores.
Except...all we know is the first 3 days of sales for prime 3, which were good, if not bioshock levels. It'll definately break 1M with the september NPD. And besides that, if any "hardcore" game is going to sell to the casuals, it'd be mario.
I mean real games, not party games.
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Though I have a feeling Brawl will outsell it.
I dont think Prime 3 will break 1 million in the September NPD. People are attributing too much to the August NPD being 'just the first 3 days'
Big name franchies stack their sales early. for example, Halo 2 had over 2 million sales in the first 3 days.
Prime 3 is not going to trend as high as it did for those 3 days. You cant just extend those sales for another month at that rate to get over 1 million.
but whatever, this meme is as baseless and as persistant as the "Gamecube is teh kiddy" meme.
Edit: Also, Zelda wasn't very good.
PSN = Wicker86 ________ Gamertag = Wicker86
stuff worth buying that you haven't played does not equal no good games.
I'm aware of that, but of the ones I have played none of them are good. Or they are party games.
PSN = Wicker86 ________ Gamertag = Wicker86
Halo non-game confirmed.
this isn't a bad asessment. However, I do think it's possible MP:3 could break a mil this month, and if not this month then definitely by the year's end. It sold better than Bioshock on the 360 on a weekly basis. Whether it has any staying power, well, that's yet to be determined.
you sir are neither a gentleman nor a scholar.
Shit you didn't like also doesn't equal no good games. You argued that Super Mario Galaxy would sell well because there are no good games for the Wii and then when you were called on it you just added a bunch of qualifiers that make no sense considering the original argument. It is like arguing that there are no good games for the 360 and dismissing them because they are just shooters and racers or you didn't like the games.
The difference is sales is as much a testimant to the Wii as a viable platform for games that are not party games olol as it is a testament to the quality of the game.
that is such a bullshit statement. You can say that for any console. By that account, the 360 has no good games because I haven't played any good games for it. And verily, I haven't. There are no games for the 360 that I've played that I have enjoyed enough to deam "good." But that doesn't mean squat. Your ignorance does not equate with fact.
Well in Europe there's what? Not much of anything. Should I play wii sports more, or ravin rabbits? My wii's in my closet right now because I'm disgusted with it.
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shut up
SALES SALES SALES
In comparison to the Wii, yeah it does. There's probably 3 or 4 games I'd pick up for it. Shame about the price.
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You're ruining my plan! I'm injection interest into the thread! 20 pages within the hour!
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Mario Strikers, Excite Truck, Elebits, Metal Slug Anthology, RE4:Wii, MySims, etc. Whether or not you actually like these games doesn't really matter. You not liking these games doesn't make them bad games and saying that Mario Galaxy will sell well because there aren't any good games on the system is idiotic.