Note, adding to Veevee's comment, that Madison had a police brutality moment of its own in 1967, when UW students were protesting Dow Chemical. It ended up radicalizing a ton of the students and culminated in a bombing in protest of Vietnam in 1970.
The Madison police have since learned their lesson. And they've had annual practice regarding what to do when things do get rowdy.
There's also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Street_Halloween_Party for large crowd control, which did have riots 2 years in a row in 2002 and 2003 because one drunken idiot decided to start shit by throwing a beer bottle and mob mentality took over. I know that because I was there and got the fuck out of dodge when I started to hear angry shouts and saw the first bottle thrown in 02. 2003 was because of drunk college kids being drunk idiots and wanting to have "fun".
I grew up in Madison in the poorest neighborhood where I was a white minority. I saw first hand as police walked up and down the blocks, talking to kids and being incredibly friendly, and then personally apologizing for any arrests that were done and explaining why it happened and why it had to be done from their (the police's) perspective. It created a sense of understanding and acceptance between the police and the people they had to serve and protect. It wasn't a perfect solution, but none of my minority friends growing up ever expressed a feeling of being targeted because of their race instead of their actions.
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Let's not allow SKFM2 to derail a thread like the original SKFM. To get back on track, two things:
1) Things seem to be going better tonight. Reporters seem to agree that the police have been less confrontational tonight, intervening in one fight, but not in such a way to make everything worse.
2) This, from the New York Times, seems to be a pretty good summary of what is known and what various witnesses conflict on at the moment.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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It's OK dudes. I asked mod to delete my account. This isn't going anywhere and I feel the need to defend myself when things are drawn in from multiple threads not related to the exact one. There are other gaming forums and while this has been fun I do think continuing after this isn't productive for anyone. Though I'll get one more shot in
I'm writing this on my smartphone so i can't really elaborate, but
essentially he's reducing both national and international tragedies/atrocities into a numbers game, a cost/benefit analysis for the good of the democratic party, of which he is a consultant
this goes beyond cynical. it is straight up sociopathic
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I'm not a DNC consultant, I'm an consultant. The clients do not matter.
I'm not a DNC consultant, I'm an consultant. The clients do not matter.
so you're an amoral mercenary
kinda reinforces my assertion
why are you still talking to him about it
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It's OK dudes. I asked mod to delete my account. This isn't going anywhere and I feel the need to defend myself when things are drawn in from multiple threads not related to the exact one. There are other gaming forums and while this has been fun I do think continuing after this isn't productive for anyone. Though I'll get one more shot in
For example: dead people can't pay you.
Nor do the poor!
You don't have to leave the forums, and honestly please don't go, but when you express an opinion in one thread it doesn't just stay in that thread. When you state an opinion and then appear to contradict yourself in another, we will call bullshit.
I find your opinions reprehensible and while I wish to never have to read them again, I would rather have them expressed here so we (the community) can discuss them because they are opinions that is shared among many people beyond just yourself. Opinions like yours will be incredibly polarizing, and honestly we may not be able to handle them (as evidenced by SKFM), but please don't feel like you have to leave.
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I'm not a DNC consultant, I'm an consultant. The clients do not matter.
so you're an amoral mercenary
kinda reinforces my assertion
This is derailed and I asked for the comment that derailed it to be removed and I've asked two sherrifs to ban/remove my account. Because I will defend myself... but it's like lawyering. You're job is not the morality of it, it's the effectiveness of the job you do which is contractually bound. The broken eggs don't factor into it.
If for one second your personal values play a part in it, you fail at your job. Why do you think David Axelrod is part of an anti teachers union and pro charter firm... cause he's a consultant, and a good and honest one.
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I'm not a DNC consultant, I'm an consultant. The clients do not matter.
so you're an amoral mercenary
kinda reinforces my assertion
Nothing wrong with being a "mercenary", especially if you're a consultant.
Oddly enough, this is the second time I've heard the word "mercenary" being used as an insult in regards to working for money. Weird.
The amoral thing I'm not going to touch. Trying to deduce someone's world view based on a couple of posts on a forum is not conducive to a fruitful conversation.
As for Fuerguson, any update on tonight's situation? Usually by this time there's several posts on things happening.
Things have been mostly peaceful. It's gone well, but any single idiot can fuck things up. Not sure what to credit with the improvement.
Could be Holder coming tomorrow, could be news of the grand jury convening tomorrow, could be community leaders really forcefully got the assholes to stop, could be the police are exercising restraint for one of the first times in the last 11 days, could be the out of town assholes who want to piggyback off this for their own separate cause were dealt with last night (a large number of the non-journalist arrests last night were not from St. Louis or Ferguson).
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So hey guys what's going on in Ferguson tonight?
More of the same, or is it getting better?
Inquiring minds want to know!
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is there a shirt company based in Ferguson or something
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As for Fuerguson, any update on tonight's situation? Usually by this time there's several posts on things happening.
So far, it's remained largely peaceful. There's been the occasional flareup, usually related to either too big a group coming to a stop or the police forming in too big a line, but every time thus far it's managed to get defused.
So far.
I have a new soccer blog The Minnow Tank. Reading it psychically kicks Sepp Blatter in the bean bag.
I reading that community leaders are trying to get people to head home and go to the DA's office tomorrow morning for a demonstration at 9am. And also that a "large" (no idea how large) group of people are currently headed from Ferguson to the site of the shooting earlier today.
really the cops are just pissed because they don't have a train too
well this isn't the 1900s, the feds don't have a surplus of locomotives
though Ferguson PD probably already has their request in for the next available one of these
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There's also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Street_Halloween_Party for large crowd control, which did have riots 2 years in a row in 2002 and 2003 because one drunken idiot decided to start shit by throwing a beer bottle and mob mentality took over. I know that because I was there and got the fuck out of dodge when I started to hear angry shouts and saw the first bottle thrown in 02. 2003 was because of drunk college kids being drunk idiots and wanting to have "fun".
I grew up in Madison in the poorest neighborhood where I was a white minority. I saw first hand as police walked up and down the blocks, talking to kids and being incredibly friendly, and then personally apologizing for any arrests that were done and explaining why it happened and why it had to be done from their (the police's) perspective. It created a sense of understanding and acceptance between the police and the people they had to serve and protect. It wasn't a perfect solution, but none of my minority friends growing up ever expressed a feeling of being targeted because of their race instead of their actions.
you should be a politician or something
A CSIS (Center for Strategic & International Studies, the Johns Hopkins school in DC) Intern tweeted this today under the CSIS's banner:
I'd offer some analysis about was this says about the nature of the DC thinktank community but we've been sidetracked enough.
I'm a consultant.
that's the scariest thing I've read today
For example: dead people can't pay you.
1) Things seem to be going better tonight. Reporters seem to agree that the police have been less confrontational tonight, intervening in one fight, but not in such a way to make everything worse.
2) This, from the New York Times, seems to be a pretty good summary of what is known and what various witnesses conflict on at the moment.
Nor do the poor!
Can someone give me the jist of what he said?
I'm writing this on my smartphone so i can't really elaborate, but
essentially he's reducing both national and international tragedies/atrocities into a numbers game, a cost/benefit analysis for the good of the democratic party, of which he is a consultant
this goes beyond cynical. it is straight up sociopathic
so you're an amoral mercenary
kinda reinforces my assertion
why are you still talking to him about it
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
You don't have to leave the forums, and honestly please don't go, but when you express an opinion in one thread it doesn't just stay in that thread. When you state an opinion and then appear to contradict yourself in another, we will call bullshit.
I find your opinions reprehensible and while I wish to never have to read them again, I would rather have them expressed here so we (the community) can discuss them because they are opinions that is shared among many people beyond just yourself. Opinions like yours will be incredibly polarizing, and honestly we may not be able to handle them (as evidenced by SKFM), but please don't feel like you have to leave.
This is derailed and I asked for the comment that derailed it to be removed and I've asked two sherrifs to ban/remove my account. Because I will defend myself... but it's like lawyering. You're job is not the morality of it, it's the effectiveness of the job you do which is contractually bound. The broken eggs don't factor into it.
If for one second your personal values play a part in it, you fail at your job. Why do you think David Axelrod is part of an anti teachers union and pro charter firm... cause he's a consultant, and a good and honest one.
Nothing wrong with being a "mercenary", especially if you're a consultant.
Oddly enough, this is the second time I've heard the word "mercenary" being used as an insult in regards to working for money. Weird.
The amoral thing I'm not going to touch. Trying to deduce someone's world view based on a couple of posts on a forum is not conducive to a fruitful conversation.
As for Fuerguson, any update on tonight's situation? Usually by this time there's several posts on things happening.
It’s not a very important country most of the time
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In general, dismissing groups of people usually means you should check your privelege business model.
Could be Holder coming tomorrow, could be news of the grand jury convening tomorrow, could be community leaders really forcefully got the assholes to stop, could be the police are exercising restraint for one of the first times in the last 11 days, could be the out of town assholes who want to piggyback off this for their own separate cause were dealt with last night (a large number of the non-journalist arrests last night were not from St. Louis or Ferguson).
More of the same, or is it getting better?
Inquiring minds want to know!
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
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Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
So far, it's remained largely peaceful. There's been the occasional flareup, usually related to either too big a group coming to a stop or the police forming in too big a line, but every time thus far it's managed to get defused.
So far.
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Finally got that one down, just petition left, though at some point someone's probably done that too.
though Ferguson PD probably already has their request in for the next available one of these
Just wait. Dammit.
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