There's a pretty big difference between a self-published webcrumbler's career and the career of a guy who was just starting to break in to the comics industry.
The reaction to this has been disheartening. Websites like Twitter and Reddit are filled with voices demanding proof. People are supporting Yale and demonizing those who point out what he has done. Unleash the Fanboy has released one of the most shameful and disappointing pieces of comics journalism I have ever read. They minimize the behavior in question, stating that “any self respecting American male younger than 30 knows the pain of the regrettable dick slip”. The expectation is that the women harassed by Yale Stewart come forward before anyone acknowledges his action. The support and acknowledgement of comics journalists and professionals with nothing to gain is not enough. The public has made it clear that the women must step forward for this to be taken seriously. And by “the public”, I mostly mean men. The people defending Yale Stewart and demanding that the women step forward are mostly men, the people with the least to fear from this sort of behavior.
Demanding proof seems pretty reasonable, at least initially. An anonymous tweet that leads to a person being harassed online, random internet people stalking them and contacting their family members and likely the end of their career all seem like very real consequences to what just happened.
The reaction to this has been disheartening. Websites like Twitter and Reddit are filled with voices demanding proof. People are supporting Yale and demonizing those who point out what he has done. Unleash the Fanboy has released one of the most shameful and disappointing pieces of comics journalism I have ever read. They minimize the behavior in question, stating that “any self respecting American male younger than 30 knows the pain of the regrettable dick slip”. The expectation is that the women harassed by Yale Stewart come forward before anyone acknowledges his action. The support and acknowledgement of comics journalists and professionals with nothing to gain is not enough. The public has made it clear that the women must step forward for this to be taken seriously. And by “the public”, I mostly mean men. The people defending Yale Stewart and demanding that the women step forward are mostly men, the people with the least to fear from this sort of behavior.
Demanding proof seems pretty reasonable, at least initially. An anonymous tweet that leads to a person being harassed online, random internet people stalking them and contacting their family members and likely the end of their career all seem like very real consequences to what just happened.
I would disagree with demanding first hand proof.
If you have a well known name in the industry saying that they know women it's happened to, then no, demanding the assaulted party step forward (and inevitably receive their abuse) is not reasonable.
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UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
yeah, given how the comics community treats females, asking the women to step forward is asking them to open themselves up to a sickening pile of abuse.
First hand, and even second hand, accounts are pretty reliable in my opinion, depending on the situation in question. It's when you're dealing with rumor and hearsay from third or even fourth hand stuff that you really need someone more before smearing the name of a person.
the dude made, what seems to me at least, a pretty sincere apology
i don't expect him to ever be really forgiven by the women, and im not saying they should
but i dunno i just hope that like anytime he tries to do something a chorus of people don't rise up like OL DICK PIC YALE IS AT IT AGAIN REMEMBER WHEN HE SENT THE DICK PICS
like if he's apologized to the women and talked with them privately over it then let them handle it
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A bunch of 3rd parties (edit: who are well known public figures, and are connected to the circles in which the events occured) who probably don't have an unrelated grudge against Stewart speaking on the victims' behalf seems like reasonable proof to me in this kind of situation. The damn internet vigilante anonymous harassment needs to not happen, though.
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Magus`The fun has been DOUBLED!Registered Userregular
In his defense, he didn't do the "They totally acted like they wanted it, I'm sorry they're so vague and hard to understand!" backhanded apology I've seen before. 'course, it could be sincere, could not. Basically, if you think you'll ever be someone in the public eye, don't send photos like this to anyone, regardless of the situation. I mean, I'm not gonna tell anyone they can't take explicit photos/make sex tapes but know the risks, at least.
Personally I hope the apology is sincere and that he is forgiven (in time). Guess we'll find out. Maybe.
The reaction to this has been disheartening. Websites like Twitter and Reddit are filled with voices demanding proof. People are supporting Yale and demonizing those who point out what he has done. Unleash the Fanboy has released one of the most shameful and disappointing pieces of comics journalism I have ever read. They minimize the behavior in question, stating that “any self respecting American male younger than 30 knows the pain of the regrettable dick slip”. The expectation is that the women harassed by Yale Stewart come forward before anyone acknowledges his action. The support and acknowledgement of comics journalists and professionals with nothing to gain is not enough. The public has made it clear that the women must step forward for this to be taken seriously. And by “the public”, I mostly mean men. The people defending Yale Stewart and demanding that the women step forward are mostly men, the people with the least to fear from this sort of behavior.
Demanding proof seems pretty reasonable, at least initially. An anonymous tweet that leads to a person being harassed online, random internet people stalking them and contacting their family members and likely the end of their career all seem like very real consequences to what just happened.
I would disagree with demanding first hand proof.
If you have a well known name in the industry saying that they know women it's happened to, then no, demanding the assaulted party step forward (and inevitably receive their abuse) is not reasonable.
Having a name attached to it certainly helps. That this is all popping up through out-of-context public tweets that are being echoed from a variety of sources is the bit that's disquieting. I'm at least familiar with Kate Leth, who seems to know the victims. Trusting the picture from 4chan as a source of any crediblity is where warning alarms started going off.
The reaction to this has been disheartening. Websites like Twitter and Reddit are filled with voices demanding proof. People are supporting Yale and demonizing those who point out what he has done. Unleash the Fanboy has released one of the most shameful and disappointing pieces of comics journalism I have ever read. They minimize the behavior in question, stating that “any self respecting American male younger than 30 knows the pain of the regrettable dick slip”. The expectation is that the women harassed by Yale Stewart come forward before anyone acknowledges his action. The support and acknowledgement of comics journalists and professionals with nothing to gain is not enough. The public has made it clear that the women must step forward for this to be taken seriously. And by “the public”, I mostly mean men. The people defending Yale Stewart and demanding that the women step forward are mostly men, the people with the least to fear from this sort of behavior.
Demanding proof seems pretty reasonable, at least initially. An anonymous tweet that leads to a person being harassed online, random internet people stalking them and contacting their family members and likely the end of their career all seem like very real consequences to what just happened.
I would disagree with demanding first hand proof.
If you have a well known name in the industry saying that they know women it's happened to, then no, demanding the assaulted party step forward (and inevitably receive their abuse) is not reasonable.
Having a name attached to it certainly helps. That this is all popping up through out-of-context public tweets that are being echoed from a variety of sources is the bit that's disquieting. I'm at least familiar with Kate Leth, who seems to know the victims. Trusting the picture from 4chan as a source of any crediblity is where warning alarms started going off.
Neil Ciceriega too:
From the sound of Neil's comments, Yale's had a reputation within the industry as a creepy dude for a while now.
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UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
short of showing the dick pic, which I imagine most if not all of the women deleted, there's no way you can have solid proof outside of, I dunno, posting a chatlog where he mentions it or something?
Having a massive wave of comics professionals all saying the exact same thing is pretty conclusively damning
yeah I dunno twitter seems to blow up a lot with post-facto "I also heard this scandal guy/girl was a slut/jerk/murderer for years before it was cool" whenever a scandal happens
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UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
also, he's not being charged with a crime
people are sharing their opinions of him, and their reasons for feeling that way
if any of that is slander/libel, he's welcome to try and take them to court, but I imagine he won't
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Sounds more like a lynch mob and bandwaggoning to me.
If it was unsolicited sexual material, it should have been brought to the police - anything outside of that is just a concerted smear campaign.
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KwoaruConfident SmirkFlawless Golden PecsRegistered Userregular
what was the thing that broke this whole event anyway
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
In a vacuum, yes, you are correct.
But that is such a sterile look at the situation that it is virtually useless.
Let's look at it from another angle. Considering that these sorts of accusations are invariably followed by the accuser receiving a litany of violent threats against their person, what is the impetus behind the accusation?
yeah I dunno twitter seems to blow up a lot with post-facto "I also heard this scandal guy/girl was a slut/jerk/murderer for years before it was cool" whenever a scandal happens
what was the thing that broke this whole event anyway
An off-hand mention in a twitter conversation between, I believe, Kate Leth and another comics lady regarding his leaving Twitter after the charity wallpaper stuff
yeah I dunno twitter seems to blow up a lot with post-facto "I also heard this scandal guy/girl was a slut/jerk/murderer for years before it was cool" whenever a scandal happens
yeah cause there's social pressure to keep conversations about harassment private to prevent it from being dealt with openly
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Twitter is kind of blowing up with various women in the comics industry going "Oh yeah we've all been warned about him before because he's a creeper"
So
He's probably kind of a creeper
Also when someone approaches situations like this by putting the burden of proof on the victim they are acting like a shitheel
So you're saying that it's the duty of the accused to prove a negative?
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Uh, he just posted a statement on his tumblr site. Guess that solves this case.
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Demanding proof seems pretty reasonable, at least initially. An anonymous tweet that leads to a person being harassed online, random internet people stalking them and contacting their family members and likely the end of their career all seem like very real consequences to what just happened.
I would disagree with demanding first hand proof.
If you have a well known name in the industry saying that they know women it's happened to, then no, demanding the assaulted party step forward (and inevitably receive their abuse) is not reasonable.
i don't expect him to ever be really forgiven by the women, and im not saying they should
but i dunno i just hope that like anytime he tries to do something a chorus of people don't rise up like OL DICK PIC YALE IS AT IT AGAIN REMEMBER WHEN HE SENT THE DICK PICS
like if he's apologized to the women and talked with them privately over it then let them handle it
Dammit.
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Personally I hope the apology is sincere and that he is forgiven (in time). Guess we'll find out. Maybe.
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Having a name attached to it certainly helps. That this is all popping up through out-of-context public tweets that are being echoed from a variety of sources is the bit that's disquieting. I'm at least familiar with Kate Leth, who seems to know the victims. Trusting the picture from 4chan as a source of any crediblity is where warning alarms started going off.
Neil Ciceriega too:
From the sound of Neil's comments, Yale's had a reputation within the industry as a creepy dude for a while now.
So
He's probably kind of a creeper
Also when someone approaches situations like this by putting the burden of proof on the victim they are acting like a shitheel
I think i meant DC (i get them confused) - whoever's IP he's using without paying for it.
Also I hate his comic and hope this kills it for good.
gotta own up to all of them yale, i can't defend that
The burden of proof isn't on the victim, the burden of proof is on the accuser. That's how the legal system works, at least.
But telling someone they need to prove they're innocent of whatever they've been accused of is its own separate kind of fucked up.
short of showing the dick pic, which I imagine most if not all of the women deleted, there's no way you can have solid proof outside of, I dunno, posting a chatlog where he mentions it or something?
Having a massive wave of comics professionals all saying the exact same thing is pretty conclusively damning
people are sharing their opinions of him, and their reasons for feeling that way
if any of that is slander/libel, he's welcome to try and take them to court, but I imagine he won't
If it was unsolicited sexual material, it should have been brought to the police - anything outside of that is just a concerted smear campaign.
But that is such a sterile look at the situation that it is virtually useless.
Let's look at it from another angle. Considering that these sorts of accusations are invariably followed by the accuser receiving a litany of violent threats against their person, what is the impetus behind the accusation?
they are all part of the comics community
if it was a bunch of random people then yeah that's hardly anything and could easily be a bandwagon
but no it is well-known comics professionals who have literally nothing to gain by lying about this
yeah cause there's social pressure to keep conversations about harassment private to prevent it from being dealt with openly
Maybe they just really enjoy abuse from countless strangers?
So you're saying that it's the duty of the accused to prove a negative?
Bake 'em away, toys.
Not being charged with a crime, but still facing potentially disastrous consequences from this, is part of the problem.
But now I've become the guy who is defending a dude who sexually harassed some women
you win, internet