I mean my honest read on the situation is the dude got out of a super abusive relationship and instead of getting help or moving forward he decided to try and hurt her back as much as possible. While thinking that he's helping other people from being abused like he was. So now in his head he had a great reason for bad decisions.
And if revenge porn is exactly what it sounds like the ex is a vile horrid person.
Revenge porn, per my understanding from coverage on NPR, is when an ex leaks sexual images of a partner as revenge for, you know, termination of the relationship or whatever. And I haven't read on some of these sites yet, due to fear of doing so on a work computer, but it sounds like that was part of what the ex did to her.
Edit: Doxxing, from my less than expertise understanding, is releasing information outing an online person's identity and personal life. Like, if I were to start researching your aliases to find your real name and made a post, "Preacher is actually John Smith and works at McDonalds."
So you can't really doxx a public celebrity? That's why I am concerned that saying the ex "doxxed" her is actually a way to use less severe language than what really happened.
So he wants us to feel sorry for him because she possibly cheated on him, but he published personal pictures of her to the internet? Yeah no matter what she did he's worse than she is by far.
Actually no. People put together that Zoe posed for nude pictures as part of a suicide girls type website almost a decade ago and then started spreading those pictures everywhere.
He's still really awful in all of this, but he didn't spread nudes of her, 4chan did.
From his twitter his stated intent was to get her into therapy, which is hilarious considering he seemingly needs years of it.
Well, after this she'll probably need therapy, so mission accomplished?
Yeah I really think it was
I want to hurt zoe, but that's wrong. But wait, doing this might be a good wake up call for her and also warn other people. Yes this is exactly why I'm moving forward. It is not to hurt anyone at all.
Guy is an idiot, if you get burned in a relationship, the answer is not to run to reddit/facebook and post as much dirt as you can. At best, if he's telling the truth he could have approached people who he knew were involved, but really, there's no winning move here for anyone.
See I hear abusive and I have to wonder what he constitutes as abuse, and how he treated her in the relationship. Because he is not an objective view point. I know when my girlfriends broke up with me I sure as hell wasn't a judge of their character or how the relationship went immediately following its resolution.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
And if revenge porn is exactly what it sounds like the ex is a vile horrid person.
Revenge porn, per my understanding from coverage on NPR, is when an ex leaks sexual images of a partner as revenge for, you know, termination of the relationship or whatever. And I haven't read on some of these sites yet, due to fear of doing so on a work computer, but it sounds like that was part of what the ex did to her.
Edit: Doxxing, from my less than expertise understanding, is releasing information outing an online person's identity and personal life. Like, if I were to start researching your aliases to find your real name and made a post, "Preacher is actually John Smith and works at McDonalds."
So you can't really doxx a public celebrity? That's why I am concerned that saying the ex "doxxed" her is actually a way to use less severe language than what really happened.
So he wants us to feel sorry for him because she possibly cheated on him, but he published personal pictures of her to the internet? Yeah no matter what she did he's worse than she is by far.
Actually no. People put together that Zoe posed for nude pictures as part of a suicide girls type website almost a decade ago and then started spreading those pictures everywhere.
He's still really awful in all of this, but he didn't spread nudes of her, 4chan did.
Eron posted the blog with chat logs. He didn't post anything else b
Guy is an idiot, if you get burned in a relationship, the answer is not to run to reddit/facebook and post as much dirt as you can. At best, if he's telling the truth he could have approached people who he knew were involved, but really, there's no winning move here for anyone.
Yeah, I think he's probably pretty dumb.
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A dude literally just complained to Anthony Burch about including trigger warnings in an old episode of HAWP.
I've got to imagine this guy wouldn't blame a shell shocked veteran for not liking it when something they're watching for entertainment and escapism suddenly reminds them of the worst horrors they've experienced during their service to this country.
Somehow the same sympathy isn't afforded to rape victims or whatever.
His actions speak as if he thought he owned Zoe, and one their relationship was over he was free to try and tank her career and put in in harms way emotionally and physically. His actions make me question the one sidedness of their relationship because you don't do this kind of thing if you were the healthy one in the relationship.
If you aren't a sociopath and you ever cared about a person, you would not do something like that to them, even if they hurt you really badly.
I do not think you know people very well. You can trick yourself into doing lots of stuff that hurts people you care about.
No, I just think that too many people are fucking terrible people. I don't trust anything he says, because he is an objectively awful human being in a very significant way.
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Oh wait it was probably the episode where the joke was Ashly being such a horrible person her Geometry Wars 2 skills cause domestic abuse.
Because that shell shocked Iraq war veteran was traumatized for life for my freedom to yell at domestic abuse victims that DARE question the dark comedy I like.
A dude literally just complained to Anthony Burch about including trigger warnings in an old episode of HAWP.
I've got to imagine this guy wouldn't blame a shell shocked veteran for not liking it when something they're watching for entertainment and escapism suddenly reminds them of the worst horrors they've experienced during their service to this country.
Somehow the same sympathy isn't afforded to rape victims or whatever.
#GamergateImpliedWankingMotion
And yet I bet you these same people complain people are too pc.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
And if revenge porn is exactly what it sounds like the ex is a vile horrid person.
Revenge porn, per my understanding from coverage on NPR, is when an ex leaks sexual images of a partner as revenge for, you know, termination of the relationship or whatever. And I haven't read on some of these sites yet, due to fear of doing so on a work computer, but it sounds like that was part of what the ex did to her.
Edit: Doxxing, from my less than expertise understanding, is releasing information outing an online person's identity and personal life. Like, if I were to start researching your aliases to find your real name and made a post, "Preacher is actually John Smith and works at McDonalds."
So you can't really doxx a public celebrity? That's why I am concerned that saying the ex "doxxed" her is actually a way to use less severe language than what really happened.
So he wants us to feel sorry for him because she possibly cheated on him, but he published personal pictures of her to the internet? Yeah no matter what she did he's worse than she is by far.
Actually no. People put together that Zoe posed for nude pictures as part of a suicide girls type website almost a decade ago and then started spreading those pictures everywhere.
He's still really awful in all of this, but he didn't spread nudes of her, 4chan did.
Eron posted the blog with chat logs. He didn't post anything else b
Updated my earlier post to reflect that. I'd heard nudes were getting spread around of her and assumed it was from the same source. The blog post had a bunch of links in it I did not go through and had assumed they led to them at some point.
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Ed Morrissey is an American conservative political blogger who, among other things, hosts a podcast. His most recent show included a segment discussing this very subject with Adam Baldwin and Internet Aristocrat. Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ0wODEcW2I
We don't know the details of his relationship with Quinn, and frankly even if it was abusive then there are dramatically better ways to resolve that. You don't bring up someone's abusive behavior via some professional part of her life that isn't related.
We don't know the details of his relationship with Quinn, and frankly even if it was abusive then there are dramatically better ways to resolve that. You don't bring up someone's abusive behavior via some professional part of her life that isn't related.
And you certainly don't do it by posting naked pictures of them to the internet. Again any claims of abuse he makes is severely hampered by the actions we see he has taken.
Abusers frequently blame their victims for "making them do it" and I don't see this guy as any different.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
A dude literally just complained to Anthony Burch about including trigger warnings in an old episode of HAWP.
I've got to imagine this guy wouldn't blame a shell shocked veteran for not liking it when something they're watching for entertainment and escapism suddenly reminds them of the worst horrors they've experienced during their service to this country.
Somehow the same sympathy isn't afforded to rape victims or whatever.
#GamergateImpliedWankingMotion
Back before I got a clue, I always found the idea of trigger warnings kinda weird. Like PA did a comic about rape and people got real mad about it, I was flabbergasted because A. It was hardly the first time they did a comic about rape and. b. They have way more comics about death and murder and other terrible shit, but I hadn't heard anyone ever complain about that stuff. No families of murder victims or soldiers who died in combat were raising a stink about the content on penny-arcade. Nor did I see anything about the numerous comics that play suicide for laughs.
It wasn't until the shit blew up around this time last year that I learned it has more to do with the context of how women have historically been treated, which is why people find jokes about rape more abhorrent than jokes about death and war, or suicide. And also just because I hadn't heard of complaints before doesn't mean they weren't there, either expressed or unexpressed. And it's only recently that people have gotten the courage to make their voices heard.
Thankfully I had this forum to ease me into not being a dumbass anymore. I feel bad that there could very well be people on places like 4chan who could be open to having their minds changed, but who are in such toxic environments that it's not a possibility there.
We don't know the details of his relationship with Quinn, and frankly even if it was abusive then there are dramatically better ways to resolve that. You don't bring up someone's abusive behavior via some professional part of her life that isn't related.
Quite frankly it doesn't even matter anymore. While the ex started this whole thing, the fact is that women are now getting run out of the industry by an organized group of harassers under the guise of wanting more ethics in journalism. People who don't see this are getting swept up in the movement, and at this point I don't know if it's going to end unless someone either gets killed or the authorities get involved.
We don't know the details of his relationship with Quinn, and frankly even if it was abusive then there are dramatically better ways to resolve that. You don't bring up someone's abusive behavior via some professional part of her life that isn't related.
And you certainly don't do it by posting naked pictures of them to the internet. Again any claims of abuse he makes is severely hampered by the actions we see he has taken.
Abusers frequently blame their victims for "making them do it" and I don't see this guy as any different.
Again, he didn't do that. The pictures are pictures Zoe did when she was younger as part of a suicide girls type site. They were already on the internet, people just didn't know it was her. And as far as I know he didn't supply anything about that either.
However, his actions are reprehensible enough without having anything to do with the nudes. He incited a mob that's pretty much turned into a hate group.
The concept of a "white knight" or a "nice guy", is pretty toxic. People don't stand up for others on the internet expecting sexual reciprocation. They do so because they empathize, and because they recgnise BS. Within the gaming community, my generation does not display the same empathy as previous generations, as they have grown up casually issuing death threats on mic- giggling at the slurs they disperse.
I feel like the 80's jock stereotypes were more human on this issue.
I honestly don't think it matters what the relationship was. If you get out of a relationship you weren't happy with, you leave it at that. Warn off other suitors at most. You don't dump your baggage online and make false claims about the person online.
(If your side is so tenuous that you have to make stuff up to make the other person seem worse, you probably aren't on any kind of winning side here.)
She wasn't getting any kind of business boost from anyone because the games are free. That's the only claim in this situation that we have any business discussing. The rest has 0 to do with us except that the ex decided to dump it all on the net.
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I don't even think anything should necessarily be done about jokes that would require trigger warnings, I just think the reactions from people it doesn't effect are disgusting. These guys like to champion comedians like Louis CK. I bet if you went up to him after a show and told him that some joke he told reminded you of some past trauma and took you out of the enjoyment of his otherwise great comedy show he'd do something totally edgy and upsetting to a lot of people. He'd apologize. Because no decent artist is so full of themselves that they think their work is above criticism. It doesn't mean that the joke should be censored or changed just acknowledge the fact that it can be a shitty thing to subject some people to and move on. The people who get the most upset about it generally aren't the content creators but some misguided fan who thinks that criticism like Annita Sarkeesian's is somehow going to get their videogames taken away.
Also I love how the edgiest "I don't give a fuck who I offend" types are always immediately upset to the point of throwing a total shitfit if you point out that the thing they did was offensive to someone.
The concept of a "white knight" or a "nice guy", is pretty toxic. People don't stand up for others on the internet expecting sexual reciprocation. They do so because they empathize, and because they recgnise BS. Within the gaming community, my generation does not display the same empathy as previous generations, as they have grown up casually issuing death threats on mic- giggling at the slurs they disperse.
I feel like the 80's jock stereotypes were more human on this issue.
Eh generations haven't gotten any worse/better, just what used to be said in private and groups of like minded idiots are now on the internet for all to see. We aren't any more vicious or stupid, we just have a better easier way of displaying that proud ignorance to the world.
And white knight is just a macho way of saying "You are standing against the male way to side with the female perspective."
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
White Knight is basically a way of saying "I can't imagine why anyone would agree with a woman except for hoping for sex" these days.
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I'd like to have an aside to point out that "White Knight" and "Social Justice Warrior" are terrible insults. I don't mean that in that they're a terrible thing to say of somebody. Actually I mean the opposite. They're functionally not good insults. Nobody's going to be ashamed of being labeled like some kind of progressive and moral Gauntlet character. In fact I'd like to take a moment to declare myself a "Civil Rights Minotaur."
tl;dr: Much of this is likely coming from people with internalized pain from being picked on for their interests lashing out at folks who criticize the thing they love, and some truly misogynistic people are taking advantage of that. Kind of in the way skinheads take the lost and confused under their wing.
Edit: Don't mind the headline... the guy doesn't excuse their actions at all.
The thing is and this is something I've noticed with a lot of geeky people, they need to get some thicker god damn skin. Swear to god any little perceived attack on their hobby is like the greatest mortal blow ever. Or if an article talks about how hard it is to be a woman they have to jump into some kind of persecution dick waving contest "You have to worry about rape? Well we have to go to war if the country is drafted!" Its ridiculous.
The gamer community needs to get therapy, lots of years of therapy.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
The thing is and this is something I've noticed with a lot of geeky people, they need to get some thicker god damn skin. Swear to god any little perceived attack on their hobby is like the greatest mortal blow ever. Or if an article talks about how hard it is to be a woman they have to jump into some kind of persecution dick waving contest "You have to worry about rape? Well we have to go to war if the country is drafted!" Its ridiculous.
The gamer community needs to get therapy, lots of years of therapy.
To anyone actually saying that, all I have to say in response is that There hasn't been a fucking draft in 40 fuckin' years, but You know what HAS happened a lot in the past 40 years? Go on, take a guess!
I feel like we collectively screwed up by introducing mute options in games as a solution in the 2000s. We collectively heard 14 year olds open their mouths, and we just tried to pretend they weren't our problem. Now it's 2014, and folk don't understand threats aren't acceptable.
I was talking to a buddy, and I wonder if "geeky-gaming" communities aren't actually (at least) two different communities intermingling for a time who then split.
1. Generally ok people who find their way into gaming and are probably socially marginalized for a bit for no good reason, who usually find their way back into reasonable socialization eventually and are not terrible people.
and
2. Actually legitimately shitty people who are socially marginalized for being actually shitty people who should be pariahs. They end up in gaming communities because of the more limited social-requirements and they don't actually improve, but then find other like-minded people to cling to.
And so we end up with the difference between, like, 4chan and the PA boards.
The thing is and this is something I've noticed with a lot of geeky people, they need to get some thicker god damn skin. Swear to god any little perceived attack on their hobby is like the greatest mortal blow ever. Or if an article talks about how hard it is to be a woman they have to jump into some kind of persecution dick waving contest "You have to worry about rape? Well we have to go to war if the country is drafted!" Its ridiculous.
The gamer community needs to get therapy, lots of years of therapy.
The idea that the bullied gamers feel like this is an attack on their hobby...
Shouldn't the bullied know somewhat what it's like to be abused for things completely out of your control? Shouldn't they understand what its like to feel shunned and not welcomed?
This runs deeper than that. These are people who blame women. Games is their safe place where they don't have to worry about rejection, where they perpetuate the nice guy myth. Games is their boys club and they don't see this as an attack against games, they see this as an intrusion. Because they haven't grown up. Because they don't understand that there's things worse than getting turned down for a date.
I feel like we collectively screwed up by introducing mute options in games as a solution in the 2000s. We collectively heard 14 year olds open their mouths, and we just tried to pretend they weren't our problem. Now it's 2014, and folk don't understand threats aren't acceptable.
Yeah. As much as some people want to say "it's not all gamers, it's just a few" we're at the point where it's just accepted that entire genres of games (MOBAs) are toxic. Where most people will tell you to go into party chat on the service owned by a giant like Microsoft to avoid shitheads. We've fostered the idea that it's acceptable, more or less. I don't know if there's a solution, practically, but it's hard to not feel a bit complicit.
I feel like we collectively screwed up by introducing mute options in games as a solution in the 2000s. We collectively heard 14 year olds open their mouths, and we just tried to pretend they weren't our problem. Now it's 2014, and folk don't understand threats aren't acceptable.
I think you are mistaken if you think these people didn't exist for the entire existence of man. Like I said earlier, technology didn't create the idiots, it just lets them talk to each other easier.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Part of it is that adults who grew up on video games were picked on and bullied as kids, and I think it's caused them to lash out at any kind of criticism whether it's valid or not. Ridiculous people like Jack Thompson have not helped with that, giving them an image of The Enemy that is a giant clown.
I feel like we collectively screwed up by introducing mute options in games as a solution in the 2000s. We collectively heard 14 year olds open their mouths, and we just tried to pretend they weren't our problem. Now it's 2014, and folk don't understand threats aren't acceptable.
There's a weird acceptance of poor online behavior that settled in through the eras of World of Warcraft and Halo etc. That it's to be expected that voice chat is full of racist insults or chat is constant homophobic put downs. And the main fix was muting or forming closed off groups of like minded people. There's an argument to be made that the games companies involved are just as involved in allowing it to go on or take anything but the softest of stances on it. Any attempt to shout down or stop someone being abusive in WoW chat was a futile effort that would generally lead to everyone wanting everyone involved to just shut up. But if you were fairly young in that space at that point and you loved your Halo, or COD or whatever your poison, what kind of impact does that have on you and how you interact with people.
The thing is and this is something I've noticed with a lot of geeky people, they need to get some thicker god damn skin. Swear to god any little perceived attack on their hobby is like the greatest mortal blow ever. Or if an article talks about how hard it is to be a woman they have to jump into some kind of persecution dick waving contest "You have to worry about rape? Well we have to go to war if the country is drafted!" Its ridiculous.
The gamer community needs to get therapy, lots of years of therapy.
The idea that the bullied gamers feel like this is an attack on their hobby...
Shouldn't the bullied know somewhat what it's like to be abused for things completely out of your control? Shouldn't they understand what its like to feel shunned and not welcomed?
You'd think, but it's easy for the bullied to lose sight of that and focus on their own pain/justifications. This is a fantastic example.
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Actually no. People put together that Zoe posed for nude pictures as part of a suicide girls type website almost a decade ago and then started spreading those pictures everywhere.
He's still really awful in all of this, but he didn't spread nudes of her, 4chan did.
Yeah I really think it was
I want to hurt zoe, but that's wrong. But wait, doing this might be a good wake up call for her and also warn other people. Yes this is exactly why I'm moving forward. It is not to hurt anyone at all.
Guy is an idiot, if you get burned in a relationship, the answer is not to run to reddit/facebook and post as much dirt as you can. At best, if he's telling the truth he could have approached people who he knew were involved, but really, there's no winning move here for anyone.
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I do not think you know people very well. You can trick yourself into doing lots of stuff that hurts people you care about.
Eron posted the blog with chat logs. He didn't post anything else b
Yeah, I think he's probably pretty dumb.
I've got to imagine this guy wouldn't blame a shell shocked veteran for not liking it when something they're watching for entertainment and escapism suddenly reminds them of the worst horrors they've experienced during their service to this country.
Somehow the same sympathy isn't afforded to rape victims or whatever.
#GamergateImpliedWankingMotion
No, I just think that too many people are fucking terrible people. I don't trust anything he says, because he is an objectively awful human being in a very significant way.
Because that shell shocked Iraq war veteran was traumatized for life for my freedom to yell at domestic abuse victims that DARE question the dark comedy I like.
And yet I bet you these same people complain people are too pc.
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Updated my earlier post to reflect that. I'd heard nudes were getting spread around of her and assumed it was from the same source. The blog post had a bunch of links in it I did not go through and had assumed they led to them at some point.
You need to go to so e kind if school to be as crazy as Adam Baldwin.
And you certainly don't do it by posting naked pictures of them to the internet. Again any claims of abuse he makes is severely hampered by the actions we see he has taken.
Abusers frequently blame their victims for "making them do it" and I don't see this guy as any different.
pleasepaypreacher.net
Back before I got a clue, I always found the idea of trigger warnings kinda weird. Like PA did a comic about rape and people got real mad about it, I was flabbergasted because A. It was hardly the first time they did a comic about rape and. b. They have way more comics about death and murder and other terrible shit, but I hadn't heard anyone ever complain about that stuff. No families of murder victims or soldiers who died in combat were raising a stink about the content on penny-arcade. Nor did I see anything about the numerous comics that play suicide for laughs.
It wasn't until the shit blew up around this time last year that I learned it has more to do with the context of how women have historically been treated, which is why people find jokes about rape more abhorrent than jokes about death and war, or suicide. And also just because I hadn't heard of complaints before doesn't mean they weren't there, either expressed or unexpressed. And it's only recently that people have gotten the courage to make their voices heard.
Thankfully I had this forum to ease me into not being a dumbass anymore. I feel bad that there could very well be people on places like 4chan who could be open to having their minds changed, but who are in such toxic environments that it's not a possibility there.
Quite frankly it doesn't even matter anymore. While the ex started this whole thing, the fact is that women are now getting run out of the industry by an organized group of harassers under the guise of wanting more ethics in journalism. People who don't see this are getting swept up in the movement, and at this point I don't know if it's going to end unless someone either gets killed or the authorities get involved.
This whole thing is absolutely insane.
Again, he didn't do that. The pictures are pictures Zoe did when she was younger as part of a suicide girls type site. They were already on the internet, people just didn't know it was her. And as far as I know he didn't supply anything about that either.
However, his actions are reprehensible enough without having anything to do with the nudes. He incited a mob that's pretty much turned into a hate group.
I feel like the 80's jock stereotypes were more human on this issue.
(If your side is so tenuous that you have to make stuff up to make the other person seem worse, you probably aren't on any kind of winning side here.)
She wasn't getting any kind of business boost from anyone because the games are free. That's the only claim in this situation that we have any business discussing. The rest has 0 to do with us except that the ex decided to dump it all on the net.
Also I love how the edgiest "I don't give a fuck who I offend" types are always immediately upset to the point of throwing a total shitfit if you point out that the thing they did was offensive to someone.
Eh generations haven't gotten any worse/better, just what used to be said in private and groups of like minded idiots are now on the internet for all to see. We aren't any more vicious or stupid, we just have a better easier way of displaying that proud ignorance to the world.
And white knight is just a macho way of saying "You are standing against the male way to side with the female perspective."
pleasepaypreacher.net
http://badassdigest.com/2014/08/31/why-i-feel-bad-for-and-understand-the-angry-gamergate-gamers/
tl;dr: Much of this is likely coming from people with internalized pain from being picked on for their interests lashing out at folks who criticize the thing they love, and some truly misogynistic people are taking advantage of that. Kind of in the way skinheads take the lost and confused under their wing.
Edit: Don't mind the headline... the guy doesn't excuse their actions at all.
The gamer community needs to get therapy, lots of years of therapy.
pleasepaypreacher.net
To anyone actually saying that, all I have to say in response is that There hasn't been a fucking draft in 40 fuckin' years, but You know what HAS happened a lot in the past 40 years? Go on, take a guess!
1. Generally ok people who find their way into gaming and are probably socially marginalized for a bit for no good reason, who usually find their way back into reasonable socialization eventually and are not terrible people.
and
2. Actually legitimately shitty people who are socially marginalized for being actually shitty people who should be pariahs. They end up in gaming communities because of the more limited social-requirements and they don't actually improve, but then find other like-minded people to cling to.
And so we end up with the difference between, like, 4chan and the PA boards.
The idea that the bullied gamers feel like this is an attack on their hobby...
Shouldn't the bullied know somewhat what it's like to be abused for things completely out of your control? Shouldn't they understand what its like to feel shunned and not welcomed?
This runs deeper than that. These are people who blame women. Games is their safe place where they don't have to worry about rejection, where they perpetuate the nice guy myth. Games is their boys club and they don't see this as an attack against games, they see this as an intrusion. Because they haven't grown up. Because they don't understand that there's things worse than getting turned down for a date.
Yeah. As much as some people want to say "it's not all gamers, it's just a few" we're at the point where it's just accepted that entire genres of games (MOBAs) are toxic. Where most people will tell you to go into party chat on the service owned by a giant like Microsoft to avoid shitheads. We've fostered the idea that it's acceptable, more or less. I don't know if there's a solution, practically, but it's hard to not feel a bit complicit.
I think you are mistaken if you think these people didn't exist for the entire existence of man. Like I said earlier, technology didn't create the idiots, it just lets them talk to each other easier.
pleasepaypreacher.net
You'd think, but it's easy for the bullied to lose sight of that and focus on their own pain/justifications. This is a fantastic example.