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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer I'm Speed Racer and I drive real fast. I drive real fast, I'm gonna last.Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Faustum wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    What kind of crappy Skarmory uses Toxic?

    What it should be doing is scattering spikes all over the ground and then pushing characters towards them with the force of its roar.

    ...Shit, that Pokemon Super Smash Bros. is really sounding good!
    I might not be hip to the new, sexy Pokemon metagame.

    Drill Peck
    Whirlwind
    Roost
    Stealth Rock


    Learn it, live it, hate the fuck out of it

    Fixed.

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  • FaustumFaustum __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2007
    WE'VE COVERED THIS MUSHROOM PIE

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Faustum wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    What kind of crappy Skarmory uses Toxic?

    What it should be doing is scattering spikes all over the ground and then pushing characters towards them with the force of its roar.

    ...Shit, that Pokemon Super Smash Bros. is really sounding good!
    I might not be hip to the new, sexy Pokemon metagame.

    Drill Peck
    Whirlwind
    Roost
    Stealth Rock


    Learn it, live it, hate the fuck out of it

    Fixed.
    Have I mentioned the last Pokemon I played seriously was Gold? :P

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Faustum wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    What kind of crappy Skarmory uses Toxic?

    What it should be doing is scattering spikes all over the ground and then pushing characters towards them with the force of its roar.

    ...Shit, that Pokemon Super Smash Bros. is really sounding good!
    I might not be hip to the new, sexy Pokemon metagame.

    Drill Peck
    Whirlwind
    Roost
    Stealth Rock


    Learn it, live it, hate the fuck out of it

    Fixed. Like a phat beat.
    Am I doing this right

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  • FaustumFaustum __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2007
    Look the only wiseass that brought a Skarmory to my gym got surprised when my Tangrowth used Sunny day and then got Whirlwinded away to my Roserade who used Weather Ball


    It was pretty glorious

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  • MiserableMirthMiserableMirth Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Skarmory was Curse/Drill/WWind/Rest in GSC though.
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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Skarmory was Curse/Drill/WWind/Rest in GSC though.
    Spoiler:
    Well I didn't use him okay

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  • FishguyFishguy Registered User
    edited October 2007
    NOR wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    NOR wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    The tier stuff bothers me. Mostly because the only people who give a shit are the people who are ridiculously good at the game. The average joe, that shit doesn't even apply.

    So you hate it because it creates a separation between the average joe and ridiculously good players?

    People who are way too good at a fighting game are probably good as any character. At that point, they make their character selection based on this power grid, which may or may not be imaginary.

    The average joe probably doesn't reach such a point. Luck becomes a strong basis for their wins and losses. The tier system doesn't work in a way where anyone who picks the best tier will win. An average joe picking the supposed top tier characters may get his ass beat by another average joe, and on a rematch may win.

    And? Is the problem the fact that the good players know this is how tier systems work and the average joes really don't understand in most cases and mistake what this all means the problem?

    Oh God, what have I done. I wasn't talking about whether tiers are a valid or not, just that the game they're playing is in an early beta-test-not-complete phase and they're trying to form tiers based on a couple hours play. Those kinds of tier lists are the BS lists that don't help anyone. There is no metagame yet, you can't just do tiers yet. Not proper ones anyway.

  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    NOR wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    NOR wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    The tier stuff bothers me. Mostly because the only people who give a shit are the people who are ridiculously good at the game. The average joe, that shit doesn't even apply.

    So you hate it because it creates a separation between the average joe and ridiculously good players?

    People who are way too good at a fighting game are probably good as any character. At that point, they make their character selection based on this power grid, which may or may not be imaginary.

    The average joe probably doesn't reach such a point. Luck becomes a strong basis for their wins and losses. The tier system doesn't work in a way where anyone who picks the best tier will win. An average joe picking the supposed top tier characters may get his ass beat by another average joe, and on a rematch may win.

    And? Is the problem the fact that the good players know this is how tier systems work and the average joes really don't understand in most cases and mistake what this all means the problem?

    Smash Bros has never had the personality to it to come across as a game where these tourny-level people would pick it apart so seriously. Yes, I'm saying that it has come across as a casual gamer's game. It feels like it, it sounds like it, and to me it feels like it's being invaded with all this 'tier' and 'omg wavedashing' crap.

    Ultimately, it doesn't fucking matter. I've only intended to play this with folks I know here, friends, and that's that. I doubt I'll cross paths with someone that's going to trash talk me about picking whatever tier character.

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  • FaustumFaustum __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2007
    Skarmory was the ugliest motherfucking shitass ever, so no one blames you for not using him

    not that it matters, but is that pokeball poke really Skarmory, I mean I doubt it matters but Skarmory is already struggling to stay afloat in the Pokemon Stadium flying stage, I doubt he can pull off that speed


    but at the same time I figured Latios and Latias were bigger, but that could just be my misconception

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  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Woah woah woah. We passed the competitive phase and moved back into character talk. You can't start discussing pokemon!

    You're screwing up the order of the thread!

    "The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Faustum wrote: »
    WE'VE COVERED THIS MUSHROOM PIE

    Like a phat beat.

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    - @Ludious
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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer I'm Speed Racer and I drive real fast. I drive real fast, I'm gonna last.Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Joshua368 wrote: »
    Fishguy wrote: »
    Does all the tier talk bother anyone else? I mean we've only seen like a third-half of the cast so far, how can you even begin to try to put them in tiers? Not to mention they've been doing FFA's almost exclusively. I think tiers a legit and a useful thing and all, it's just waaaay to early to even be considering it imo.

    Mostly I'm not bothered by it. One crazy tourny guy even made his own "mock-up" of the tier list based on his and others' experiences at the demo. I'd recommend not taking it seriously by any means, but here it is.

    Upper Middle Tier: Mario, Meta Knight, Peach
    Mid Middle Tier: Bowser, Diddy Kong, Fox, Link, Pikachu, Pit, Samus, Sonic, Zero Suit Samus
    Lower Middle Tier: Donkey Kong, Ike, Yoshi

    Think they may be going too far? ;-) (Also, apparently everything is much more ballanced, which is why they're all in subcategories of Middle.)

    I have an issue with them working up a tier list at this point simply because changes might be made to character balance between now and February.

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  • FaustumFaustum __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2007
    LOOK YOU LARDASSES.

    THE TIER LIST OF MELEE IS CALCULATED BASED ON WHO WINS THE MOST AT TOURNAMENTS, WITH IMAGINARY DIVISIONS SET IN

    ITS NOT SAYING BLAH WILL ALWAYS BEAT YADA



    arguing about it is as equally stupid as arguing the game was meant to be played by xxxxxxx or the game can only be played on yyyyyyy



    this doesnt really apply to the tier list at the demo, because one who cares its a fucking demo, and two they already said the demo was more balanced than anything, just one guys interpretation

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  • BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Faustum wrote: »
    It seems rather contrived and yes I doubt Jake is coming back, I'm just saying it might not even be the same world


    but you know, whatever

    saying they wouldnt use andy because of the new game is rather silly when they have an assist trophy sporting the traditional sprites of Advance Wars, and not this shitty shit thats shitting shitty shit shit

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    the fact is they wouldn't use andy as a fighter anyway, its totally unrelated to the new game

    It's pretty much on the level of people ruling out other character because of color schemes, m i rite?

    No seriously, saying an Advance Wars character won't be playable because of a future game is pretty ignorant.

    But saying that an Advance Wars character won't be playable because they would have had an icon from their assist trophy if they were is pretty well informed.

    Or are they? I don't think the Advance Wars trophy has made it to the site yet.

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  • NORNOR Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Joshua368 wrote: »
    Fishguy wrote: »
    Does all the tier talk bother anyone else? I mean we've only seen like a third-half of the cast so far, how can you even begin to try to put them in tiers? Not to mention they've been doing FFA's almost exclusively. I think tiers a legit and a useful thing and all, it's just waaaay to early to even be considering it imo.

    Mostly I'm not bothered by it. One crazy tourny guy even made his own "mock-up" of the tier list based on his and others' experiences at the demo. I'd recommend not taking it seriously by any means, but here it is.

    Upper Middle Tier: Mario, Meta Knight, Peach
    Mid Middle Tier: Bowser, Diddy Kong, Fox, Link, Pikachu, Pit, Samus, Sonic, Zero Suit Samus
    Lower Middle Tier: Donkey Kong, Ike, Yoshi

    Think they may be going too far? ;-) (Also, apparently everything is much more ballanced, which is why they're all in subcategories of Middle.)

    I have an issue with them working up a tier list at this point simply because changes might be made to character balance between now and February.

    Yeah, anything done at this point is largely pointless, other then the obvious time wasting potential of it. And with the game not coming out till February I'm not going to begrudge them their time wasters.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer I'm Speed Racer and I drive real fast. I drive real fast, I'm gonna last.Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Faustum wrote: »
    LOOK YOU LARDASSES.

    THE TIER LIST OF MELEE IS CALCULATED BASED ON WHO WINS THE MOST AT TOURNAMENTS, WITH IMAGINARY DIVISIONS SET IN

    ITS NOT SAYING BLAH WILL ALWAYS BEAT YADA



    arguing about it is as equally stupid as arguing the game was meant to be played by xxxxxxx or the game can only be played on yyyyyyy



    this doesnt really apply to the tier list at the demo, because one who cares its a fucking demo, and two they already said the demo was more balanced than anything, just one guys interpretation
    .....





    Like a phat beat?

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  • MiserableMirthMiserableMirth Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Woah woah woah. We passed the competitive phase and moved back into character talk. You can't start discussing pokemon!

    You're screwing up the order of the thread!

    We're going to start talking about tiers and competitive battling in pokemon now.

    They exist.

  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Faustum wrote: »
    LOOK YOU LARDASSES.

    THE TIER LIST OF MELEE IS CALCULATED BASED ON WHO WINS THE MOST AT TOURNAMENTS, WITH IMAGINARY DIVISIONS SET IN

    ITS NOT SAYING BLAH WILL ALWAYS BEAT YADA



    arguing about it is as equally stupid as arguing the game was meant to be played by xxxxxxx or the game can only be played on yyyyyyy



    this doesnt really apply to the tier list at the demo, because one who cares its a fucking demo, and two they already said the demo was more balanced than anything, just one guys interpretation
    How much time do they even get with the demo?

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  • FaustumFaustum __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2007
    Woah woah woah. We passed the competitive phase and moved back into character talk. You can't start discussing pokemon!

    You're screwing up the order of the thread!

    We're going to start talking about tiers and competitive battling in pokemon now.

    They exist.



    My UU Cacturne will show your OverUsed assholes a thing or two

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Faustum wrote: »
    LOOK YOU LARDASSES.

    THE TIER LIST OF MELEE IS CALCULATED BASED ON WHO WINS THE MOST AT TOURNAMENTS, WITH IMAGINARY DIVISIONS SET IN

    ITS NOT SAYING BLAH WILL ALWAYS BEAT YADA

    LIKE A PHAT BEAT



    arguing about it is as equally stupid as arguing the game was meant to be played by xxxxxxx or the game can only be played on yyyyyyy



    this doesnt really apply to the tier list at the demo, because one who cares its a fucking demo, and two they already said the demo was more balanced than anything, just one guys interpretation

    Is that seriously how the tier list for fighting games gets generated? I thought they picked apart each character, who does how much damage with their attacks and specials, etc.

    "Ultima Online Pre-Trammel is the perfect example of why libertarians are full of shit."
    - @Ludious
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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer I'm Speed Racer and I drive real fast. I drive real fast, I'm gonna last.Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Woah woah woah. We passed the competitive phase and moved back into character talk. You can't start discussing pokemon!

    You're screwing up the order of the thread!

    We're going to start talking about tiers and competitive battling in pokemon now.

    They exist.

    No items.

    Specsmence only.

    Final Destination.

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  • SpeakeasySpeakeasy Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Faustum wrote: »
    arguing about it is as equally stupid as arguing the game was meant to be played by xxxxxxx or the game can only be played on yyyyyyy

    Yeah thats right, ill play my smash bros on my ps2 thankyouverymuch.

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  • FaustumFaustum __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2007
    Elendil wrote: »
    Faustum wrote: »
    LOOK YOU LARDASSES.

    THE TIER LIST OF MELEE IS CALCULATED BASED ON WHO WINS THE MOST AT TOURNAMENTS, WITH IMAGINARY DIVISIONS SET IN

    ITS NOT SAYING BLAH WILL ALWAYS BEAT YADA



    arguing about it is as equally stupid as arguing the game was meant to be played by xxxxxxx or the game can only be played on yyyyyyy



    this doesnt really apply to the tier list at the demo, because one who cares its a fucking demo, and two they already said the demo was more balanced than anything, just one guys interpretation
    How much time do they even get with the demo?

    General concensus is that it was a ~20 or so minute wait for 2 minutes of play. I don't know how much time was had all together, but keep in mind some games were just smashboards guys playing together trying shit out.

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  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Faustum wrote: »
    LOOK YOU LARDASSES.

    THE TIER LIST OF MELEE IS CALCULATED BASED ON WHO WINS THE MOST AT TOURNAMENTS, WITH IMAGINARY DIVISIONS SET IN

    ITS NOT SAYING BLAH WILL ALWAYS BEAT YADA



    arguing about it is as equally stupid as arguing the game was meant to be played by xxxxxxx or the game can only be played on yyyyyyy



    this doesnt really apply to the tier list at the demo, because one who cares its a fucking demo, and two they already said the demo was more balanced than anything, just one guys interpretation

    Well, if you think about it, Charizard should always beat Ivysaur, and Ivysaur should always beat Squirtle, and Squirtle should always beat Charizard (maybe).

    PT confirmed as being his own 3 tier system?

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  • FaustumFaustum __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2007
    Speakeasy wrote: »
    Faustum wrote: »
    arguing about it is as equally stupid as arguing the game was meant to be played by xxxxxxx or the game can only be played on yyyyyyy

    Yeah thats right, ill play my smash bros on my ps2 thankyouverymuch.

    I was referring to final destination

    please dont joke I dont take humor very well!!!

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  • FaustumFaustum __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Is that seriously how the tier list for fighting games gets generated? I thought they picked apart each character, who does how much damage with their attacks and specials, etc.


    I only care about two fighting games. One of them is Guilty Gear, and one of them is Smash brothers


    I dont know about GG, but that is the way the Melee tier list was created

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer I'm Speed Racer and I drive real fast. I drive real fast, I'm gonna last.Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Faustum wrote: »
    LOOK YOU LARDASSES.

    THE TIER LIST OF MELEE IS CALCULATED BASED ON WHO WINS THE MOST AT TOURNAMENTS, WITH IMAGINARY DIVISIONS SET IN

    ITS NOT SAYING BLAH WILL ALWAYS BEAT YADA



    arguing about it is as equally stupid as arguing the game was meant to be played by xxxxxxx or the game can only be played on yyyyyyy



    this doesnt really apply to the tier list at the demo, because one who cares its a fucking demo, and two they already said the demo was more balanced than anything, just one guys interpretation

    Well, if you think about it, Charizard should always beat Ivysaur, and Ivysaur should always beat Squirtle, and Squirtle should always beat Charizard (maybe).

    PT confirmed as being his own 3 tier system?
    Charizard will beat Squirtle because Squirtle lacks the stats to deal significant damage.

    I suppose if Charizard was still level 36 and Squirtle was all the way up to 100, then you'd have a point.

    We really can't have this discussion though unless we know each of their levels, natures, IVs, and EVs.

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  • UltrachristUltrachrist Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    NOR wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    NOR wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    The tier stuff bothers me. Mostly because the only people who give a shit are the people who are ridiculously good at the game. The average joe, that shit doesn't even apply.

    So you hate it because it creates a separation between the average joe and ridiculously good players?

    People who are way too good at a fighting game are probably good as any character. At that point, they make their character selection based on this power grid, which may or may not be imaginary.

    The average joe probably doesn't reach such a point. Luck becomes a strong basis for their wins and losses. The tier system doesn't work in a way where anyone who picks the best tier will win. An average joe picking the supposed top tier characters may get his ass beat by another average joe, and on a rematch may win.

    And? Is the problem the fact that the good players know this is how tier systems work and the average joes really don't understand in most cases and mistake what this all means the problem?

    Smash Bros has never had the personality to it to come across as a game where these tourny-level people would pick it apart so seriously. Yes, I'm saying that it has come across as a casual gamer's game. It feels like it, it sounds like it, and to me it feels like it's being invaded with all this 'tier' and 'omg wavedashing' crap.

    It may seem that way to you, but the brawl character nerfs and buffs fit perfectly within melee's tier scheme. Fox is getting nerfed, Bowser is getting buffed, etc. I think Smash is consciously designed to appeal to everyone from the most casual to the most hardcore -- which is probably why it's so popular.

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  • NORNOR Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Faustum wrote: »
    LOOK YOU LARDASSES.

    THE TIER LIST OF MELEE IS CALCULATED BASED ON WHO WINS THE MOST AT TOURNAMENTS, WITH IMAGINARY DIVISIONS SET IN

    ITS NOT SAYING BLAH WILL ALWAYS BEAT YADA

    LIKE A PHAT BEAT



    arguing about it is as equally stupid as arguing the game was meant to be played by xxxxxxx or the game can only be played on yyyyyyy



    this doesnt really apply to the tier list at the demo, because one who cares its a fucking demo, and two they already said the demo was more balanced than anything, just one guys interpretation

    Is that seriously how the tier list for fighting games gets generated? I thought they picked apart each character, who does how much damage with their attacks and specials, etc.

    Statistical evaluation factors into it, most heavily during the inception of a tier list, as time goes on actual experience gets factored into these things. Experience generally only ends up proving the evaluation correct in the end.

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  • SkyGheNeSkyGheNe Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Faustum wrote: »
    LOOK YOU LARDASSES.

    THE TIER LIST OF MELEE IS CALCULATED BASED ON WHO WINS THE MOST AT TOURNAMENTS, WITH IMAGINARY DIVISIONS SET IN

    ITS NOT SAYING BLAH WILL ALWAYS BEAT YADA

    LIKE A PHAT BEAT



    arguing about it is as equally stupid as arguing the game was meant to be played by xxxxxxx or the game can only be played on yyyyyyy



    this doesnt really apply to the tier list at the demo, because one who cares its a fucking demo, and two they already said the demo was more balanced than anything, just one guys interpretation

    Is that seriously how the tier list for fighting games gets generated? I thought they picked apart each character, who does how much damage with their attacks and specials, etc.

    Depends on what tier list you're looking at.

    I know some of the ones I have looked at analyze frame data, lag time for moves, safety, ease of use, and ability to punish.

    Which is precisely why you will see shiek placed above falco on the tier list, but on another list, he will be above her.

    (Although, the soul calibur tier list was all pure frame data. In soul calibur 2, cervantes was technically top tier going by frame data and move list, but he rarely came in top 3 at tourney games).

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Someone post that quote of someone bitching about losing to Link, please. I need a good laugh. Because it goes to show how seriously people take the tier system, like it's infallible.

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  • BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Someone post that quote of someone bitching about losing to Link, please. I need a good laugh. Because it goes to show how seriously people take the tier system, like it's infallible.

    "Blah blah link beat me and he is low tier maybe I should quit blah"

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    SkyGheNe wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Faustum wrote: »
    LOOK YOU LARDASSES.

    THE TIER LIST OF MELEE IS CALCULATED BASED ON WHO WINS THE MOST AT TOURNAMENTS, WITH IMAGINARY DIVISIONS SET IN

    ITS NOT SAYING BLAH WILL ALWAYS BEAT YADA

    LIKE A PHAT BEAT



    arguing about it is as equally stupid as arguing the game was meant to be played by xxxxxxx or the game can only be played on yyyyyyy



    this doesnt really apply to the tier list at the demo, because one who cares its a fucking demo, and two they already said the demo was more balanced than anything, just one guys interpretation

    Is that seriously how the tier list for fighting games gets generated? I thought they picked apart each character, who does how much damage with their attacks and specials, etc.

    Depends on what tier list you're looking at.

    I know some of the ones I have looked at analyze frame data, lag time for moves, safety, ease of use, and ability to punish.

    Which is precisely why you will see shiek placed above falco on the tier list, but on another list, he will be above her.

    (Although, the soul calibur tier list was all pure frame data. In soul calibur 2, cervantes was technically top tier going by frame data and move list, but he rarely came in top 3 at tourney games).

    Soul Calibur 2 was the one and only time my friends discussed the tier system in front of me, and it was only one night in particular following a tourney we had among ourselves. It was ultimately decided that it's not meant for casual folks.

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  • SkyGheNeSkyGheNe Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Someone post that quote of someone bitching about losing to Link, please. I need a good laugh. Because it goes to show how seriously people take the tier system, like it's infallible.

    I've seen tiers defied. A prime example is the best sc2 player in the world. He was a french player who used nightmare (nightmare had very slow moves, but his pay off (damage) was huge). Also, the kid took an otherwise slow and easily readable character and turned him into something distinct. I think tiers are useful in looking at characters superficially, but you can work with someone who is low tier and really push the bounds of what is expected of them.

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  • FishguyFishguy Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Someone post that quote of someone bitching about losing to Link, please. I need a good laugh. Because it goes to show how seriously people take the tier system, like it's infallible.

    A tier list is not infallible, even in between 'even' tourney players. But what is? It is generally a good metric though. Think of it as probabilities if you like. Also like stated above, it depends on how the tier list was compiled . Some are purely theoretical, some are more practical and some are just based on tourney/match statistics. The middle option is probably the most accurate though.
    I guess I shouldn't have quoted you on that though, since you weren't the one saying they were infallible.

  • BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    This is a trivia I read on a developer's blog ON THE INTERNET so it may not be true, but:

    Back in the beginning of Ultima Online, swords were good! Really good. Too good. So, they turned down the damage on the swords. The players complained that it felt like they were hitting things with nerf swords.

    And so a term was born.

    CD World Tour status:
    Spoiler:
    Smash: BlueBlue
  • turtleantturtleant Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    SkyGheNe wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Someone post that quote of someone bitching about losing to Link, please. I need a good laugh. Because it goes to show how seriously people take the tier system, like it's infallible.

    I've seen tiers defied. A prime example is the best sc2 player in the world. He was a french player who used nightmare (nightmare had very slow moves, but his pay off (damage) was huge). Also, the kid took an otherwise slow and easily readable character and turned him into something distinct. I think tiers are useful in looking at characters superficially, but you can work with someone who is low tier and really push the bounds of what is expected of them.

    I did not know that. This makes me very happy since Nightmare is my favorite character.

    Nightmare Represent!
    Spoiler:

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Tiers tiers, blah blah blah.

    I think we need to attend to a much more important subject, namely:

    Are there any videos of the Nintendog in action? I wanna see fighting with a puppy break.

    3DS: 0344-9335-6762
  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    So, any good news this weekend?

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