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It was pretty glorious
Oh God, what have I done. I wasn't talking about whether tiers are a valid or not, just that the game they're playing is in an early beta-test-not-complete phase and they're trying to form tiers based on a couple hours play. Those kinds of tier lists are the BS lists that don't help anyone. There is no metagame yet, you can't just do tiers yet. Not proper ones anyway.
Smash Bros has never had the personality to it to come across as a game where these tourny-level people would pick it apart so seriously. Yes, I'm saying that it has come across as a casual gamer's game. It feels like it, it sounds like it, and to me it feels like it's being invaded with all this 'tier' and 'omg wavedashing' crap.
Ultimately, it doesn't fucking matter. I've only intended to play this with folks I know here, friends, and that's that. I doubt I'll cross paths with someone that's going to trash talk me about picking whatever tier character.
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not that it matters, but is that pokeball poke really Skarmory, I mean I doubt it matters but Skarmory is already struggling to stay afloat in the Pokemon Stadium flying stage, I doubt he can pull off that speed
but at the same time I figured Latios and Latias were bigger, but that could just be my misconception
You're screwing up the order of the thread!
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I have an issue with them working up a tier list at this point simply because changes might be made to character balance between now and February.
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THE TIER LIST OF MELEE IS CALCULATED BASED ON WHO WINS THE MOST AT TOURNAMENTS, WITH IMAGINARY DIVISIONS SET IN
ITS NOT SAYING BLAH WILL ALWAYS BEAT YADA
arguing about it is as equally stupid as arguing the game was meant to be played by xxxxxxx or the game can only be played on yyyyyyy
this doesnt really apply to the tier list at the demo, because one who cares its a fucking demo, and two they already said the demo was more balanced than anything, just one guys interpretation
Or are they? I don't think the Advance Wars trophy has made it to the site yet.
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Like a phat beat?
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We're going to start talking about tiers and competitive battling in pokemon now.
They exist.
My UU Cacturne will show your OverUsed assholes a thing or two
Is that seriously how the tier list for fighting games gets generated? I thought they picked apart each character, who does how much damage with their attacks and specials, etc.
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Final Destination.
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Yeah thats right, ill play my smash bros on my ps2 thankyouverymuch.
General concensus is that it was a ~20 or so minute wait for 2 minutes of play. I don't know how much time was had all together, but keep in mind some games were just smashboards guys playing together trying shit out.
Well, if you think about it, Charizard should always beat Ivysaur, and Ivysaur should always beat Squirtle, and Squirtle should always beat Charizard (maybe).
PT confirmed as being his own 3 tier system?
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I was referring to final destination
please dont joke I dont take humor very well!!!
I only care about two fighting games. One of them is Guilty Gear, and one of them is Smash brothers
I dont know about GG, but that is the way the Melee tier list was created
I suppose if Charizard was still level 36 and Squirtle was all the way up to 100, then you'd have a point.
We really can't have this discussion though unless we know each of their levels, natures, IVs, and EVs.
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It may seem that way to you, but the brawl character nerfs and buffs fit perfectly within melee's tier scheme. Fox is getting nerfed, Bowser is getting buffed, etc. I think Smash is consciously designed to appeal to everyone from the most casual to the most hardcore -- which is probably why it's so popular.
Statistical evaluation factors into it, most heavily during the inception of a tier list, as time goes on actual experience gets factored into these things. Experience generally only ends up proving the evaluation correct in the end.
Depends on what tier list you're looking at.
I know some of the ones I have looked at analyze frame data, lag time for moves, safety, ease of use, and ability to punish.
Which is precisely why you will see shiek placed above falco on the tier list, but on another list, he will be above her.
(Although, the soul calibur tier list was all pure frame data. In soul calibur 2, cervantes was technically top tier going by frame data and move list, but he rarely came in top 3 at tourney games).
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"Blah blah link beat me and he is low tier maybe I should quit blah"
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I've seen tiers defied. A prime example is the best sc2 player in the world. He was a french player who used nightmare (nightmare had very slow moves, but his pay off (damage) was huge). Also, the kid took an otherwise slow and easily readable character and turned him into something distinct. I think tiers are useful in looking at characters superficially, but you can work with someone who is low tier and really push the bounds of what is expected of them.
A tier list is not infallible, even in between 'even' tourney players. But what is? It is generally a good metric though. Think of it as probabilities if you like. Also like stated above, it depends on how the tier list was compiled . Some are purely theoretical, some are more practical and some are just based on tourney/match statistics. The middle option is probably the most accurate though.
I guess I shouldn't have quoted you on that though, since you weren't the one saying they were infallible.
Back in the beginning of Ultima Online, swords were good! Really good. Too good. So, they turned down the damage on the swords. The players complained that it felt like they were hitting things with nerf swords.
And so a term was born.
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Nightmare Represent!
I think we need to attend to a much more important subject, namely:
Are there any videos of the Nintendog in action? I wanna see fighting with a puppy break.