I just read full spoilers for Split and holy fucking Christ that movie is wretched
The lead girl is a victim of sexual abuse from her uncle, who her father nearly killed but now she has to live with him due to her father dying from a heart attack.
Kevin, McAvoy's character, is super sex obsessed and makes the girls undress throughout the film. His split personalities were a defense mechanism for his own molestation at the hands of his mother.
He develops a super strong, bullet resistant personality out of NOWHERE and kills and eats the other two girls after it manifests, sparing the lead only because he sees her self inflicted scars that make him think she is damaged like him. Then she goes back to living with her rapist uncle and that's the end of her story.
Finally, the tie in with Unbreakable is literally the end of the film with a lady comparing Kevin's whole deal to "that thing with the guy in the wheelchair from a few years ago" and the camera cutting to Bruce Willis overhearing the conversation
I just read full spoilers for Split and holy fucking Christ that movie is wretched
The lead girl is a victim of sexual abuse from her uncle, who her father nearly killed but now she has to live with him due to her father dying from a heart attack.
Kevin, McAvoy's character, is super sex obsessed and makes the girls undress throughout the film. His split personalities were a defense mechanism for his own molestation at the hands of his mother.
He develops a super strong, bullet resistant personality out of NOWHERE and kills and eats the other two girls after it manifests, sparing the lead only because he sees her self inflicted scars that make him think she is damaged like him. Then she goes back to living with her rapist uncle and that's the end of her story.
Finally, the tie in with Unbreakable is literally the end of the film with a lady comparing Kevin's whole deal to "that thing with the guy in the wheelchair from a few years ago" and the camera cutting to Bruce Willis overhearing the conversation
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I just read full spoilers for Split and holy fucking Christ that movie is wretched
The lead girl is a victim of sexual abuse from her uncle, who her father nearly killed but now she has to live with him due to her father dying from a heart attack.
Kevin, McAvoy's character, is super sex obsessed and makes the girls undress throughout the film. His split personalities were a defense mechanism for his own molestation at the hands of his mother.
He develops a super strong, bullet resistant personality out of NOWHERE and kills and eats the other two girls after it manifests, sparing the lead only because he sees her self inflicted scars that make him think she is damaged like him. Then she goes back to living with her rapist uncle and that's the end of her story.
Finally, the tie in with Unbreakable is literally the end of the film with a lady comparing Kevin's whole deal to "that thing with the guy in the wheelchair from a few years ago" and the camera cutting to Bruce Willis overhearing the conversation
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I am real glad I already lost my ability to blink earlier in the thread.
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Man, I'm having to really resist spoilering myself on Split.
Because I understand all the problems folks have with it. I have problems with it.
But I also can't resist SMUT and that film looks like hot garbage.
Regarding trans folks as psycho murderers, it's been a while since I've watched it so I may be forgetting a few details, but I think buffalo bill is a very different case than other movies that invoke anti-transgender fears. The entire film is about women's fear of men and their objectification of women. Bill's skinning of women into a lady suit is literally breaking down women into their component parts for Bill to control, with his famous dancing scene treating womanhood as purely sexual stimulation - "would you fuck me? I'd fuck me." Bill is treating womanhood not as his natural identity, he is not driven to kill because he is trans, rather it is a totem that he takes sexual pleasure in his mastery over. Lecter specifically rebuts the idea that Bill is trans, and Clarice points out that there's no correlation between being trans and any kind of violent tendencies.
Bill obviously has some real fucked up views towards women and womanhood, but I mean, yeah, he's a serial killer of women. And he's based on a couple of real life serial killers who did do things like what Bill does.
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
I don't know if I'm more exasperated at those Split spoilers or the critics who liked the movie with said spoilers.
I'm pretty sure I remember the fucking Happening having positive critical buzz for fifteen seconds
I had to look it up out of irritation as to how Shyamalan is still allowed to make movies and it's because they make money, strangely enough, even fuckin goddamn Avatar made money
I thought smut connotated porn and schlock connotated trashy movies personally
Eh, it's all fairly interchangable
I don't think Split fits any of it at all though
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It sounds fairly schlock to me. But like with a huge layer of gross shit on top. But I haven't and very likely won't see it. Shyamalan still owes me ticket money for my first date to Lady in the Water.
Ocean Waves is finally out in limited release. I'd have gone to see it tonight, except busy staying home watching a post-surgery cat to make sure she doesn't kick her plastic cone off from around her neck again.
smut is a lot more taboo, not quite pornographic, but definitely something with less merit thank schlock. usually has some very base, offensive message it's going for but under the guise of something a little bit more respectable.
like, the jerry springer show is smut
it's all about tickling the lizard brain with shock and awe and bad taste
i'd probably put split in that category, but it's moreso unintentional smut, as i don't think m. night has the capability to make something intentionally bad. he thinks too highly of himself.
as for split. i'll redbox it.
the need to know far outweighs my moral outrage to it. but that's a fine line for me alone to be able to walk, and i wouldn't ask anyone else to.
everyone's got problematic media they like. so long as you understand why it's problematic and don't get all huffy with anyone that ain't able to reconcile with it, it's okay.
I remember seeing the village in theaters and really hating it.
Funny. I only saw it because I liked signs at the time. But really I only liked it because of the way it was shot and how atmospheric it was. But that works to carry a while feature for one movie, imo. Another movie shot with a similar style and tone but with somehow an even less sensical plot is just kinda annoying.
I never saw Unbreakable and always thought the sixth sense was kind of overrated.
Haven't bothered with a movie of his since.
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I remember seeing the village in theaters and really hating it.
Funny. I only saw it because I liked signs at the time. But really I only liked it because of the way it was shot and how atmospheric it was. But that works to carry a while feature for one movie, imo. Another movie shot with a similar style and tone but with somehow an even less sensical plot is just kinda annoying.
I never saw Unbreakable and always thought the sixth sense was kind of overrated.
Haven't bothered with a movie of his since.
Signs is pretty good if you can tolerate the twist at the end.
The entirety of the Happening is incredibly watchable if you're into terrible shit, the whole thing has the strangest awkward tone with bizarre performances and writing that makes your brain squint, like Avatar and Lady in the Water are just interminable slogs but the Happening is a hoot
I'm going to try my best to word how I feel about this. Apologies if it sounds a bit incoherent because this was kinda a bad night to be seeing this
I'm used to horror. It's my favorite genre, I can always make time for it, etc
And I'm even used to bleak horror. Definitely wouldn't say I love it, but some of my favorite films have went bleak as hell
When I get testy is when a film is just being mean to be mean. Offensive just for the purpose of being such. That's something you don't really get used to. But I can even brush that aside, and even praise it, when the film offers something more, something better under the surface
From absolutely everything I've seen about and read about from Split, that's not the case. And honestly what I think makes it so bad in my opinion is it's M Night doing it
I'm no fan of him, I think his best is long behind him, et cetera et cetera. But it's like...at least he never went down that kind of road. He didn't need that kind of attention
I'd be fine with him just making another shit film, or just making another dumb twist. This just feels like a way of getting talked about for something more than just making another one of those, and that's particularly upsetting to me
It's also upsetting to me that it's sounding like it'll do well at the box office and will thus enable him to do more and go further in that direction, but that's a whole nother discussion/issue
I enjoyed The Visit. But split looks garbage, as sounds even worse based on that plot synopsis. Also the trailer keeps saying "the next stage of human evolution" and that's like a pet annoyance of mine
And in the Video description they have the link to the rest of The Wind Argument
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I just read full spoilers for Split and holy fucking Christ that movie is wretched
The lead girl is a victim of sexual abuse from her uncle, who her father nearly killed but now she has to live with him due to her father dying from a heart attack.
Kevin, McAvoy's character, is super sex obsessed and makes the girls undress throughout the film. His split personalities were a defense mechanism for his own molestation at the hands of his mother.
He develops a super strong, bullet resistant personality out of NOWHERE and kills and eats the other two girls after it manifests, sparing the lead only because he sees her self inflicted scars that make him think she is damaged like him. Then she goes back to living with her rapist uncle and that's the end of her story.
Finally, the tie in with Unbreakable is literally the end of the film with a lady comparing Kevin's whole deal to "that thing with the guy in the wheelchair from a few years ago" and the camera cutting to Bruce Willis overhearing the conversation
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Fuck.
This.
Movie.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Regarding trans folks as psycho murderers, it's been a while since I've watched it so I may be forgetting a few details, but I think buffalo bill is a very different case than other movies that invoke anti-transgender fears. The entire film is about women's fear of men and their objectification of women. Bill's skinning of women into a lady suit is literally breaking down women into their component parts for Bill to control, with his famous dancing scene treating womanhood as purely sexual stimulation - "would you fuck me? I'd fuck me." Bill is treating womanhood not as his natural identity, he is not driven to kill because he is trans, rather it is a totem that he takes sexual pleasure in his mastery over. Lecter specifically rebuts the idea that Bill is trans, and Clarice points out that there's no correlation between being trans and any kind of violent tendencies.
Bill obviously has some real fucked up views towards women and womanhood, but I mean, yeah, he's a serial killer of women. And he's based on a couple of real life serial killers who did do things like what Bill does.
See, I was thinking of the exact same scene when figuring out why I'm not bothered by the mentally ill/trans killer trope. (I just don't automatically make the "all mentally ill/trans people are evil/killers/wrong" connection; others see it and hate it, fair enough. I'm not denying it exists, I'm just stunned that people ever get that thought. It is, after all, "just a movie." But moving on.) I went looking for the quote about transsexuals being passive and came across an interesting article. It talked about how that scene is incredibly insulting to trans people and is a reminder of how they were treated in the past. Lector tells Starling to check with the three main trans surgery hospitals because Bill likely applied and was denied because he's not a "true" transsexual. And the implication isn't that he's pretending: it's that surgeons and doctors were gatekeepers. They determined who could and could not have the surgery. If they didn't think someone would make a "convincing" transition they were denied. That's pretty fucked up. I was only 12 when it came out, so I was far removed from the politics at the time, but apparently is was being protested pretty heavily at the Oscars when it won (or so the article states). The dialogue in that scene isn't supporting a positive view of transsexuals, it's regurgitating the medically held beliefs at the time which were quite bad, it seems. Also the article implied that the line about Bill's condition being "much more terrifying" than being a transsexual was a huge slap in the face of trans people because it implies that the thought of being trans is, in itself, terrifying. I don't agree with that particular view, but I can totally see it now that it's been brought up.
It just proves that everything I like turns out to be "bad" in some way if I dig hard enough. *sigh*
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Kevin, McAvoy's character, is super sex obsessed and makes the girls undress throughout the film. His split personalities were a defense mechanism for his own molestation at the hands of his mother.
He develops a super strong, bullet resistant personality out of NOWHERE and kills and eats the other two girls after it manifests, sparing the lead only because he sees her self inflicted scars that make him think she is damaged like him. Then she goes back to living with her rapist uncle and that's the end of her story.
Finally, the tie in with Unbreakable is literally the end of the film with a lady comparing Kevin's whole deal to "that thing with the guy in the wheelchair from a few years ago" and the camera cutting to Bruce Willis overhearing the conversation
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This is double good news for me; I loved Timecrimes!
And I already wanted to see it just based on the trailer. Now I really want to see it!
that is awful
I am real glad I already lost my ability to blink earlier in the thread.
Because I understand all the problems folks have with it. I have problems with it.
But I also can't resist SMUT and that film looks like hot garbage.
Bill obviously has some real fucked up views towards women and womanhood, but I mean, yeah, he's a serial killer of women. And he's based on a couple of real life serial killers who did do things like what Bill does.
is...I don't think that's the right way to use the word smut
Planet Terror or Grindhouse or some shit like that is Smut
This is actively disgusting toxic garbage
See, I wouldn't describe those films as smutty though.
It happens.
I'm pretty sure I remember the fucking Happening having positive critical buzz for fifteen seconds
I had to look it up out of irritation as to how Shyamalan is still allowed to make movies and it's because they make money, strangely enough, even fuckin goddamn Avatar made money
I don't think Split fits any of it at all though
like, the jerry springer show is smut
it's all about tickling the lizard brain with shock and awe and bad taste
i'd probably put split in that category, but it's moreso unintentional smut, as i don't think m. night has the capability to make something intentionally bad. he thinks too highly of himself.
as for split. i'll redbox it.
the need to know far outweighs my moral outrage to it. but that's a fine line for me alone to be able to walk, and i wouldn't ask anyone else to.
everyone's got problematic media they like. so long as you understand why it's problematic and don't get all huffy with anyone that ain't able to reconcile with it, it's okay.
Funny. I only saw it because I liked signs at the time. But really I only liked it because of the way it was shot and how atmospheric it was. But that works to carry a while feature for one movie, imo. Another movie shot with a similar style and tone but with somehow an even less sensical plot is just kinda annoying.
I never saw Unbreakable and always thought the sixth sense was kind of overrated.
Haven't bothered with a movie of his since.
Signs is pretty good if you can tolerate the twist at the end.
The Happening is a movie where John Leguizamo is the best actor in it.
Like, he gives the best performances out of anyone in that movie.
And I like to think that says a little something about it.
A hoot of shit
I dunno if I could re-watch it still. I'd probably turn it off when the thing happens to the boy.
the happening is hilarious
I watched it by myself one night, messaged my BFF, made them stream it, and we watched it together
it is 100% unintentional hilarity up to and including the scene where Mark Whalberg talks to a plastic tree
So love and Shyamalan are both disasters is what I'm saying.
I'm used to horror. It's my favorite genre, I can always make time for it, etc
And I'm even used to bleak horror. Definitely wouldn't say I love it, but some of my favorite films have went bleak as hell
When I get testy is when a film is just being mean to be mean. Offensive just for the purpose of being such. That's something you don't really get used to. But I can even brush that aside, and even praise it, when the film offers something more, something better under the surface
From absolutely everything I've seen about and read about from Split, that's not the case. And honestly what I think makes it so bad in my opinion is it's M Night doing it
I'm no fan of him, I think his best is long behind him, et cetera et cetera. But it's like...at least he never went down that kind of road. He didn't need that kind of attention
I'd be fine with him just making another shit film, or just making another dumb twist. This just feels like a way of getting talked about for something more than just making another one of those, and that's particularly upsetting to me
It's also upsetting to me that it's sounding like it'll do well at the box office and will thus enable him to do more and go further in that direction, but that's a whole nother discussion/issue
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Marky Mark trying to talk down a plant from releasing spores is in no way unintentional hilarity.
@Uriel the best way to watch The Happening is through a review. here:.
And in the Video description they have the link to the rest of The Wind Argument
Fuck.
This.
Movie.
See, I was thinking of the exact same scene when figuring out why I'm not bothered by the mentally ill/trans killer trope. (I just don't automatically make the "all mentally ill/trans people are evil/killers/wrong" connection; others see it and hate it, fair enough. I'm not denying it exists, I'm just stunned that people ever get that thought. It is, after all, "just a movie." But moving on.) I went looking for the quote about transsexuals being passive and came across an interesting article. It talked about how that scene is incredibly insulting to trans people and is a reminder of how they were treated in the past. Lector tells Starling to check with the three main trans surgery hospitals because Bill likely applied and was denied because he's not a "true" transsexual. And the implication isn't that he's pretending: it's that surgeons and doctors were gatekeepers. They determined who could and could not have the surgery. If they didn't think someone would make a "convincing" transition they were denied. That's pretty fucked up. I was only 12 when it came out, so I was far removed from the politics at the time, but apparently is was being protested pretty heavily at the Oscars when it won (or so the article states). The dialogue in that scene isn't supporting a positive view of transsexuals, it's regurgitating the medically held beliefs at the time which were quite bad, it seems. Also the article implied that the line about Bill's condition being "much more terrifying" than being a transsexual was a huge slap in the face of trans people because it implies that the thought of being trans is, in itself, terrifying. I don't agree with that particular view, but I can totally see it now that it's been brought up.
It just proves that everything I like turns out to be "bad" in some way if I dig hard enough. *sigh*