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The [Trump Cabinet] thread

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    He should have just taken Trump's call. This administration doesn't care about protocol or ethics.

    Yes, it's weird for a lawyer to care about the law.

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    He should have just taken Trump's call. This administration doesn't care about protocol or ethics.

    Yes, it's weird for a lawyer to care about the law.

    Also, just because one person doesn't care about protocols or ethics or whatever doesn't mean that you should just ignore all that, too.

  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/13/yes-kellyanne-conway-just-suggested-trump-tower-could-have-been-monitored-through-tvs-and-microwaves/?utm_term=.38a1ec17dcd1

    Conway: "The government could've been spying on us through our microwaves."
    --a few hours later--
    Conway: "Of course they didn't spy on us through microwaves. I'm not a crazy person."

    I don't even understand the strategy here. Bring up the wiretapping, complain that it's a distraction, and want to refocus spin on the complete trash fire that is the ACA repeal, which has been doing so much better in the press.

    ArcTangent on
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  • JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    There will be an Executive Order issued at 4:30 pm called "Comprehensive Plan for Reorganizing the Executive Branch", according to the President's official schedule.

    No word yet what that means, but it doesn't sound good.

  • Duke 2.0Duke 2.0 Time Trash Cat Registered User regular
    Over under on the EO including some statement of "this is not a power of the Executive to change, but we have full authority to change it"

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  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Duke 2.0 wrote: »
    Over under on the EO including some statement of "this is not a power of the Executive to change, but we have full authority to change it"

    You're actually kinda right.

    Supposedly this is the EO/plan for contracting the size of the federal government, but since that's done entirely through budgetary measures it's actually the purview of Congress to adjust and not the President.

  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Duke 2.0 wrote: »
    Over under on the EO including some statement of "this is not a power of the Executive to change, but we have full authority to change it"

    You're actually kinda right.

    Supposedly this is the EO/plan for contracting the size of the federal government, but since that's done entirely through budgetary measures it's actually the purview of Congress to adjust and not the President.

    Is this why so many appointed positions have no one nominated?

  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Duke 2.0 wrote: »
    Over under on the EO including some statement of "this is not a power of the Executive to change, but we have full authority to change it"

    You're actually kinda right.

    Supposedly this is the EO/plan for contracting the size of the federal government, but since that's done entirely through budgetary measures it's actually the purview of Congress to adjust and not the President.

    Is this why so many appointed positions have no one nominated?

    'The bathwater was dirty so I had to throw the baby out, too!'


    I sincerely doubt this was the plan. Probably more that Trump/Bannon figured out governing took actual effort and instead decided that eliminating jerbs would make things better for all Americans.

  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Duke 2.0 wrote: »
    Over under on the EO including some statement of "this is not a power of the Executive to change, but we have full authority to change it"

    You're actually kinda right.

    Supposedly this is the EO/plan for contracting the size of the federal government, but since that's done entirely through budgetary measures it's actually the purview of Congress to adjust and not the President.

    Is this why so many appointed positions have no one nominated?

    Nah, that's entirely because the new administration is inept as fuck and doesn't want people in those positions. Employment below the political appointees, which are mostly career civil servants, are entirely under the purview of the budgetary process.

  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    Duke 2.0 wrote: »
    Over under on the EO including some statement of "this is not a power of the Executive to change, but we have full authority to change it"

    You could probably just ask "Well, what did Hitler do at about this point?".

    In this case it was the formation of the SS and SA.

    So I'm guessing the restructuring will involve the establishment of a personal guard for the President that is outside the purview of the Secret Service.

    Taramoor on
  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Duke 2.0 wrote: »
    Over under on the EO including some statement of "this is not a power of the Executive to change, but we have full authority to change it"

    You could probably just ask "Well, what did Hitler do at about this point?".

    In this case it was the formation of the SS and SA.

    So I'm guessing the restructuring will involve the establishment of a personal guard for the President that is outside the purview of the Secret Service.

    or he just orders the secret service to reorganize into a thug squad since it's already under the control of the executive through the department of homeland security

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/13/yes-kellyanne-conway-just-suggested-trump-tower-could-have-been-monitored-through-tvs-and-microwaves/?utm_term=.38a1ec17dcd1

    Conway: "The government could've been spying on us through our microwaves."
    --a few hours later--
    Conway: "Of course they didn't spy on us through microwaves. I'm not a crazy person."

    I don't even understand the strategy here. Bring up the wiretapping, complain that it's a distraction, and want to refocus spin on the complete trash fire that is the ACA repeal, which has been doing so much better in the press.

    This is not on topic for the Cabinet thread.

  • AresProphetAresProphet Registered User regular
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Duke 2.0 wrote: »
    Over under on the EO including some statement of "this is not a power of the Executive to change, but we have full authority to change it"

    You're actually kinda right.

    Supposedly this is the EO/plan for contracting the size of the federal government, but since that's done entirely through budgetary measures it's actually the purview of Congress to adjust and not the President.

    Is this why so many appointed positions have no one nominated?

    More like "we can't find enough people willing to work with us so we'll just claim those unfilled positions are all according to plan!"

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  • FoefallerFoefaller Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Duke 2.0 wrote: »
    Over under on the EO including some statement of "this is not a power of the Executive to change, but we have full authority to change it"

    You're actually kinda right.

    Supposedly this is the EO/plan for contracting the size of the federal government, but since that's done entirely through budgetary measures it's actually the purview of Congress to adjust and not the President.

    Is this why so many appointed positions have no one nominated?

    More like "we can't find enough people willing to work with us so we'll just claim those unfilled positions are all according to plan the Dem's fault!"

    Fixed.

    I mean, Trump did tweet that the Dems were slowing things down, despite Rubio tweeting the night before that they finished with confirming the last nom the White House sent to Congress.

    Foefaller on
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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    Did that EO hit or get delayed?

  • QanamilQanamil x Registered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    Did that EO hit or get delayed?

    Executive restructuring EO was signed about half an hour ago, nothing popping up about it yet though because CBO AHCA report came at the same time.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Qanamil wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    Did that EO hit or get delayed?

    Executive restructuring EO was signed about half an hour ago, nothing popping up about it yet though because CBO AHCA report came at the same time.

    That scheduling decision can't be good.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    And here I was thinking they scheduled it then to try and draw discussion away from the CBO report.

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  • ErlkönigErlkönig Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Qanamil wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    Did that EO hit or get delayed?

    Executive restructuring EO was signed about half an hour ago, nothing popping up about it yet though because CBO AHCA report came at the same time.

    From WaPo:
    President Donald Trump has signed an order aimed at streamlining the executive branch.

    Trump says the new executive order requires the examination of every federal department and agency “to see where money is being wasted, how services can be improved and whether programs are truly serving American citizens.”

    The 4:30pm entry at https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/the-latest-trump-compares-health-care-bill-to-obama-ratings/2017/03/13/b3454290-0807-11e7-bd19-fd3afa0f7e2a_story.html?utm_term=.3dffac5511a8

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    So, uh...

    On Topic?
    http://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/fired-u-s-attorney-was-probing-whether-fox-illegally-obtained-journalists-phone-records-report-says/
    Fired U.S. Attorney Was Probing if Fox News Illegally Obtained Journalists’ Phone Records, Report Says

    Also... he apparently had a case against a russian money laundering scheme going..

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewzeitlin/russian-money-laundering-case-in-new-york-court-could-be-del

    Jesus... that's brazen

    autono-wally, erotibot300 on
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  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    Erlkönig wrote: »
    Qanamil wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    Did that EO hit or get delayed?

    Executive restructuring EO was signed about half an hour ago, nothing popping up about it yet though because CBO AHCA report came at the same time.

    From WaPo:
    President Donald Trump has signed an order aimed at streamlining the executive branch.

    Trump says the new executive order requires the examination of every federal department and agency “to see where money is being wasted, how services can be improved and whether programs are truly serving American citizens.”

    The 4:30pm entry at https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/the-latest-trump-compares-health-care-bill-to-obama-ratings/2017/03/13/b3454290-0807-11e7-bd19-fd3afa0f7e2a_story.html?utm_term=.3dffac5511a8

    maybe we should just streamline the president right out of the executive branch

  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    Erlkönig wrote: »
    Qanamil wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    Did that EO hit or get delayed?

    Executive restructuring EO was signed about half an hour ago, nothing popping up about it yet though because CBO AHCA report came at the same time.

    From WaPo:
    President Donald Trump has signed an order aimed at streamlining the executive branch.

    Trump says the new executive order requires the examination of every federal department and agency “to see where money is being wasted, how services can be improved and whether programs are truly serving American citizens.”

    The 4:30pm entry at https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/the-latest-trump-compares-health-care-bill-to-obama-ratings/2017/03/13/b3454290-0807-11e7-bd19-fd3afa0f7e2a_story.html?utm_term=.3dffac5511a8

    maybe we should just streamline the president right out of the executive branch

    I mean, he's definitely wasting government money every weekend at Mar-a-Lago golfing.

  • EinzelEinzel Registered User regular
    So, uh...

    On Topic?
    http://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/fired-u-s-attorney-was-probing-whether-fox-illegally-obtained-journalists-phone-records-report-says/
    Fired U.S. Attorney Was Probing if Fox News Illegally Obtained Journalists’ Phone Records, Report Says

    Also... he apparently had a case against a russian money laundering scheme going..

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewzeitlin/russian-money-laundering-case-in-new-york-court-could-be-del

    Jesus... that's brazen

    In this kind of situation, are the attorneys able to continue the investigation in a state (not federal) capacity?

  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    The streamlining EO is up on whitehouse dot gov. Full text:
    COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR REORGANIZING THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH

    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:

    Section 1. Purpose. This order is intended to improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and accountability of the executive branch by directing the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (Director) to propose a plan to reorganize governmental functions and eliminate unnecessary agencies (as defined in section 551(1) of title 5, United States Code), components of agencies, and agency programs.

    Sec. 2. Proposed Plan to Improve the Efficiency, Effectiveness, and Accountability of Federal Agencies, Including, as Appropriate, to Eliminate or Reorganize Unnecessary or Redundant Federal Agencies. (a) Within 180 days of the date of this order, the head of each agency shall submit to the Director a proposed plan to reorganize the agency, if appropriate, in order to improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and accountability of that agency.

    (b) The Director shall publish a notice in the Federal Register inviting the public to suggest improvements in the organization and functioning of the executive branch and shall consider the suggestions when formulating the proposed plan described in subsection (c) of this section.

    (c) Within 180 days after the closing date for the submission of suggestions pursuant to subsection (b) of this section, the Director shall submit to the President a proposed plan to reorganize the executive branch in order to improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and accountability of agencies. The proposed plan shall include, as appropriate, recommendations to eliminate unnecessary agencies, components of agencies, and agency programs, and to merge functions. The proposed plan shall include recommendations for any legislation or administrative measures necessary to achieve the proposed reorganization.

    (d) In developing the proposed plan described in subsection (c) of this section, the Director shall consider, in addition to any other relevant factors:

    (i) whether some or all of the functions of an agency, a component, or a program are appropriate for the Federal Government or would be better left to State or local governments or to the private sector through free enterprise;

    (ii) whether some or all of the functions of an agency, a component, or a program are redundant, including with those of another agency, component, or program;

    (iii) whether certain administrative capabilities necessary for operating an agency, a component, or a program are redundant with those of another agency, component, or program;

    (iv) whether the costs of continuing to operate an agency, a component, or a program are justified by the public benefits it provides; and

    (v) the costs of shutting down or merging agencies, components, or programs, including the costs of addressing the equities of affected agency staff.

    (e) In developing the proposed plan described in subsection (c) of this section, the Director shall consult with the head of each agency and, consistent with applicable law, with persons or entities outside the Federal Government with relevant expertise in organizational structure and management.

    Sec. 3. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

    (i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

    (ii) the functions of the Director relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

    (b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

    (c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    A lot of "we are saying we are going to do something but not actually say what we are going to do or how to do it"

  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    I can't decide if that's a "We're ordering the government to dismantle itself" EO or a "I am hereby ordering everybody to work smarter, not harder!" EO.

    Taramoor on
  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    I can't decide if that's a "We're ordering the government to dismantle itself" EO or a "I am hereby ordering everybody to work smarter, not harder!" EO.

    lol it's basic CEO mentality. "So it is written, so it shall be done" type shit.

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Yeah, I read it like it's just a template from a corporate merger where there would actually be overlap in things like the Advertising departments and Human Resources. I guess the Trump Admin wants us to believe that spending all this time and money on looking for waste is not a waste itself and they can't be bothered to fill the HUGE NUMBER OF VACANT APPOINTMENTS.

  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    A lot of "we are saying we are going to do something but not actually say what we are going to do or how to do it"
    It's very similar in concept to this one (though it's an EM, not an EO).

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/28/plan-defeat-islamic-state-iraq

    Which gave the SecDef 30 days to make "a comprehensive strategy and plans for the defeat of ISIS". Submitted on January 28th.

    I hope Mattis came through on that. Though I'd have asked Trump what his plan was, with regards "If I win, I don’t want to broadcast to the enemy exactly what my plan is.”. So I found that Presidential Memoranda to be a bit redundant.

    Unless, you know, Mr Trump was, and is, full of shit.

    MorganV on
  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Trump said he had a plan to defeat ISIS back before he was even the confirmed Republican nominee. His plan was "have someone else come up with the plan," and that's what all of his plans amount to.

  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    I can't decide if that's a "We're ordering the government to dismantle itself" EO or a "I am hereby ordering everybody to work smarter, not harder!" EO.

    lol it's basic CEO mentality. "So it is written, so it shall be done" type shit.

    The fun is always in trying to resolve the insane rules that follow. My boss tells me I must submit my reports using new labels instead of the old ones. Then, when I do, he tells me I have to switch to a new method which is, in fact, using the old labels.

  • PriestPriest Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Trump said he had a plan to defeat ISIS back before he was even the confirmed Republican nominee. His plan was "have someone else come up with the plan," and that's what all of his plans amount to.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpMSbKG2uZw

    Priest on
  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Archer is still more competent at his job.

  • PriestPriest Registered User regular
    Archer is still more competent at his job.

    And his Daddy might be Russian.. wait....

  • Mr KhanMr Khan Not Everyone WAHHHRegistered User regular
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-13/tillerson-used-alias-email-for-climate-messages-n-y-says

    Tillerson used a fake email while at Exxon which Exxon failed to disclose to federal authorities.

  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    I can't decide if that's a "We're ordering the government to dismantle itself" EO or a "I am hereby ordering everybody to work smarter, not harder!" EO.

    lol it's basic CEO mentality. "So it is written, so it shall be done" type shit.

    It's literally an E.O. for the "Bobs."

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    And pretty scary in its own right since this is the kind of stupid bullshit incoming CEO's get up to to deflect from systemic issues in the company's market or product, or the final culling before they strip and sell off assets. Either way..not particularly heartening for the future USA.

    Dark_Side on
  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Great so now I get to wonder whether another EO is going to screw me out of starting my job sooner because it puts the DoD/Natsec agencies on hold.

    For fuck's sake.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Mr Khan wrote: »
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-13/tillerson-used-alias-email-for-climate-messages-n-y-says

    Tillerson used a fake email while at Exxon which Exxon failed to disclose to federal authorities.

    You know everytime someone on trump's team has a worse email scandal I lose a few minutes from my life because of the blood pressure.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    but her emails!
    (only her!)

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    Mr Khan wrote: »
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-13/tillerson-used-alias-email-for-climate-messages-n-y-says

    Tillerson used a fake email while at Exxon which Exxon failed to disclose to federal authorities.

    It is probably easier to count the cabinet members who didn't lie to the federal government.

    Couscous on
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