I really should try and finish ICO... It was just... I got SO SCARED that something would happen to Yorda that I quit playing. Yeah, it was for my health.
However I absolutely love SotC. It's in my top 10 of best games ever. Some part of me actually doesn't want team ICO releasing a game because then I'll have to buy a PS3.
I have no moneyz!
I never finished either if it makes you feel any better. I think they're both pretty games, but I've never really understood their acclaim amongst gamers. They were fun for about the first 5-10 hours, but the story never really drew me in to wanting to complete it.
All of this talk is making me angry that I disliked the game. It had all of the elements of amazing gameplay in it, presented in a way that , to me, killed the experience. It's like looking through some amazing life-changing book that's written in a language I don't understand.
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I really should try and finish ICO... It was just... I got SO SCARED that something would happen to Yorda that I quit playing. Yeah, it was for my health.
However I absolutely love SotC. It's in my top 10 of best games ever. Some part of me actually doesn't want team ICO releasing a game because then I'll have to buy a PS3.
I have no moneyz!
I never finished either if it makes you feel any better. I think they're both pretty games, but I've never really understood their acclaim amongst gamers. They were fun for about the first 5-10 hours, but the story never really drew me in to wanting to complete it.
How anyone can finish, or even get well into, Shadow of the Colossus without having a huge epiphany of "...What the hell have I done?" followed by a feeling of absolute horror, is just beyond me.
Any game that can evoke an emotion like that is doing something right.
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How anyone can finish, or even get well into, Shadow of the Colossus without having a huge epiphany of "...What the hell have I done? DEAR GOD I JUST KILLED IT" followed by a feeling of absolute horror, is just beyond me.
Any game that can evoke an emotion like that is doing something right.
So, about SOTC running better on a 60GB PS3, ... are we talking the EU model that uses software and hardware emulation? Or the US model with just hardware?
Everyone always talks about the art design of these games, which is awesome, but I've always been just as impressed with their philosophy of game design. Two main things:
• No bullshit. Ico and SoTC have no filler. There are no mindless enemies to swat with repeated button mashing in SoTC, and in Ico the shadow creatures acted more as a time-constraint to puzzle-solving than a physical threat. There are no fetch quests, no townspeople. The plot is minimal and concise, and the experience of playing the game tells the story much more than any cut scenes. This results in some of the most "pure" gaming I've ever had.
• You're not a complete badass. Jumping and climbing is hard in these games. In the animations, your character stumbles, holds his sword awkardly, loses his grip. So many games—even so called "realistic" games—have effortless control where you merely have to press a few timed buttons to make your avatar do a double-cartwheel off of the heads of a dozen monsters, impaling them all as he falls. The difficulty of controlling Ico and SoTC is the polar opposite, and rather than detract from the experience it adds realism—it makes you feel like this magical world could really exist and you could be there.
I really wish more games took their cues from this team's game design philosophy. I'm looking at you, Next Zelda Game.
Ico is a wonderful, magical game experience. Except for the excruciating fighting system, which is almost game breaking it's so horrible. Still have fond memories of the game though.
I bought Ico TWICE. Both times it was stolen BOTH FUCKING TIMES. I went to order a copy today after seeing this thread and it's up to around 40 for a mint copy. Shit. I paid full price for the original and around 15 for my second copy.
Know what I want? The game we got a trailer of back in the day with the colossus walking through the barren wasteland, and then FOUR Wanders riding up and taking it down together. I want that. I want a multiplayer experience like that.
There's absolutely nothing about, only you and these giant lumbering creatures (and a couple of birds and a turtle!).
How did you forget about the lizards? Two type, no less.
I could go on for paragraphs about the clever juxtaposition of going from hunting tiny lizards that are almost invisible to the naked eye to bringing down massive behemoths so large that their girth affects the weather.
Clever, especially in that the lizards are more of a challenge than some of the giant lumbering beasts.
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I bought Ico TWICE. Both times it was stolen BOTH FUCKING TIMES. I went to order a copy today after seeing this thread and it's up to around 40 for a mint copy. Shit. I paid full price for the original and around 15 for my second copy.
Too bad you aren't European. There are piles and piles of the game there (still sealed!), because they did a reprint right around the time SotC was released.
I never got to play ICO because I didn't get a PS2 until extremely late in its life. Now Amazon and eBay show that new copies are like $100 and used copies are $35 and up. That makes Gim a saaaaad panda.
I bought Ico TWICE. Both times it was stolen BOTH FUCKING TIMES. I went to order a copy today after seeing this thread and it's up to around 40 for a mint copy. Shit. I paid full price for the original and around 15 for my second copy.
Too bad you aren't European. There are piles and piles of the game there (still sealed!), because they did a reprint right around the time SotC was released.
Dammit! Well that's awesome for you guys though. I'm glad the game has the fanbase it deserves in some territories atleast. Has anyone seen The Mega64 Ico skits? They're pretty classy.
Good god. I had almost forgotten about Team ICO. I just bought a 360 to supplement my Wii. I figured now nothing in this world would make me drop the cash on a PS3 as well. Not Drake, not Ratchet, nothing. Then I read this.
Nah.
As much as I dislike Sony, and never really cared for the PS2 (though I loved the PSX), I always knew I'd have to get a PS3 for something. Eventually.
I figured as much as well, although I thought it'd be another couple years down the road. Maybe for Kingdom Hearts 3, or maybe Metal Gear. I've just been jazzed that most of the "great" games so far have either been multi-platform, or 360 exclusives. Aside from the 4 amazing Wii games, of course.
This is our secret motive for we Nintendo fans wanting Sony to die.
Has anyone seen The Mega64 Ico skits? They're pretty classy.
I may be in the minority, but I HATE most of the Mega64 skits. All they do is run around and annoy the fuck out of people. Every video is pretty much exactly the same, just based on a different game.
The only exception I've seen so far is the Shenmue one, since a lot of people just thought he was a random retarded kid, so it resulted in a wider variety of reactions.
Has anyone seen The Mega64 Ico skits? They're pretty classy.
I may be in the minority, but I HATE most of the Mega64 skits. All they do is run around and annoy the fuck out of people. Every video is pretty much exactly the same, just based on a different game.
The only exception I've seen so far is the Shenmue one, since a lot of people just thought he was a random retarded kid, so it resulted in a wider variety of reactions.
I bought Ico TWICE. Both times it was stolen BOTH FUCKING TIMES. I went to order a copy today after seeing this thread and it's up to around 40 for a mint copy. Shit. I paid full price for the original and around 15 for my second copy.
Too bad you aren't European. There are piles and piles of the game there (still sealed!), because they did a reprint right around the time SotC was released.
Some of us went and bought it rare before the rerelease.
I was not terribly happy.
I'll echo the notion that a game by Team ICO will sell me a PS3. Both games are such subtle emotional manipulations that I can't help but be in awe of the game design. Actively jumping off the bridge after Yorda or crawling in desperation towards Momo are two of the most powerful scenes in video games made even more so by the fact that the player is the one emotionally motivated to do such an irrational act.
Damn you for reminding me of this genius and his team of genius programmers!
I never got the play ICO, but SotC is one of my favorite games, and not only was it very emotional and very fun (at times), but they did many things that shouldn't be possible on the PS2. There's a reason it has a crappy framerate!
I would love a remake on the PS3 in HD, though I would also hate it for making me buy a PS3. I hope he waits until late into the PS3's lifetime to make a new game so I don't have to buy one until the next price-drop.
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Damn you for reminding me of this genius and his team of genius programmers!
I never got the play ICO, but SotC is one of my favorite games, and not only was it very emotional and very fun (at times), but they did many things that shouldn't be possible on the PS2. There's a reason it has a crappy framerate!
I would love a remake on the PS3 in HD, though I would also hate it for making me buy a PS3. I hope he waits until late into the PS3's lifetime to make a new game so I don't have to buy one until the next price-drop.
SotC certainly did wring some impossible feats out of the PS2. The depth of field blur, the film grain, and the draw distance were all pretty impressive looking on a system like that, even if the framerate took a nosedive occasionally.
And the animations! The horse, especially. Twilight Princess was nice, but Epona's animation wasn't in the same league.
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Damn you for reminding me of this genius and his team of genius programmers!
I never got the play ICO, but SotC is one of my favorite games, and not only was it very emotional and very fun (at times), but they did many things that shouldn't be possible on the PS2. There's a reason it has a crappy framerate!
I would love a remake on the PS3 in HD, though I would also hate it for making me buy a PS3. I hope he waits until late into the PS3's lifetime to make a new game so I don't have to buy one until the next price-drop.
SotC certainly did wring some impossible feats out of the PS2. The depth of field blur, the film grain, and the draw distance were all pretty impressive looking on a system like that, even if the framerate took a nosedive occasionally.
And the animations! The horse, especially. Twilight Princess was nice, but Epona's animation wasn't in the same league.
Not to mention the fact that Agro controlled like a real horse! It didn't just blindly go where you pushed the analog stick, you had to kind of guide it in the right general direction. Made it seem like the horse was a real character rather than a mere means of transportation. And the way Wander would desperately yell "Agro!" in the middle of a boss fight was perfect.
And the music! It's so goddamn amazing. I'm listening to it right now, and you can just picture the colossus fights that each song corresponds to.
Damn you for reminding me of this genius and his team of genius programmers!
I never got the play ICO, but SotC is one of my favorite games, and not only was it very emotional and very fun (at times), but they did many things that shouldn't be possible on the PS2. There's a reason it has a crappy framerate!
I would love a remake on the PS3 in HD, though I would also hate it for making me buy a PS3. I hope he waits until late into the PS3's lifetime to make a new game so I don't have to buy one until the next price-drop.
SotC certainly did wring some impossible feats out of the PS2. The depth of field blur, the film grain, and the draw distance were all pretty impressive looking on a system like that, even if the framerate took a nosedive occasionally.
And the animations! The horse, especially. Twilight Princess was nice, but Epona's animation wasn't in the same league.
Not to mention the fact that Agro controlled like a real horse! It didn't just blindly go where you pushed the analog stick, you had to kind of guide it in the right general direction. Made it seem like the horse was a real character rather than a mere means of transportation. And the way Wander would desperately yell "Agro!" in the middle of a boss fight was perfect.
And the music! It's so goddamn amazing. I'm listening to it right now, and you can just picture the colossus fights that each song corresponds to.
After playing SotC, I just can't stand using horses in any other games. They all just end up feeling like freaking robots. Even the ones in Assassin's Creed, which mimicked a fair bit from SotC, they just didn't have the personality Agro did.
I bought SotC a while back, played it for a bit, loved it, then stopped playing. I came back recently, got up to the giant eel thing that's piddling about underwater, and was nearly snapping the controller in rage with the way it shocks you if you're anywhere near its tendrils when it goes underwater. I guarantee every time I got up to the head to stab the weak-spot, whether I took my time to save health, or rushed there as fast as I could, it would dive under and get me shocked/killed, instantly.
SO pissed off.
That said, I absolutely love the atmosphere and scale, and would love to see what the guys can do with the PS3. It'd be another tipping-point towards getting one.
I bought SotC a while back, played it for a bit, loved it, then stopped playing. I came back recently, got up to the giant eel thing that's piddling about underwater, and was nearly snapping the controller in rage with the way it shocks you if you're anywhere near its tendrils when it goes underwater. I guarantee every time I got up to the head to stab the weak-spot, whether I took my time to save health, or rushed there as fast as I could, it would dive under and get me shocked/killed, instantly.
SO pissed off.
There's a weak spot behind each shocking thing that you can stab to "turn it off" for the entire battle. Once you've gotten them all disabled all you have to do is work your way up to the colossus' head and stab him repeatedly.
Has anyone seen The Mega64 Ico skits? They're pretty classy.
I may be in the minority, but I HATE most of the Mega64 skits. All they do is run around and annoy the fuck out of people. Every video is pretty much exactly the same, just based on a different game.
The only exception I've seen so far is the Shenmue one, since a lot of people just thought he was a random retarded kid, so it resulted in a wider variety of reactions.
Well. I have all their DVDs, and I will say that the weakest part of Mega64 is the videogame skits. The episodes and the characters are fan-fucking-tastic in my personal opinion. I don't think the skits are bad, but like I said, weakest link.
Beating the last colossus in under three minutes is an amazing feeling.
My favorite trick is with the sword wielder. I tried for hours to perfect the trick where you catapult off his sword as he raises it and land on his collar. When you actually nail it, you feel like a god. Time Attack mode is so much fun. This thread is making me wish I still had a PS2.
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Seriously... it sucks because I know that I'm going to have no choice but to buy Sony's crappy hardware, these games are irresistible. Hopefully another price drop will head our way before these games hit the market.
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How anyone can finish, or even get well into, Shadow of the Colossus without having a huge epiphany of "...What the hell have I done?" followed by a feeling of absolute horror, is just beyond me.
Any game that can evoke an emotion like that is doing something right.
• No bullshit. Ico and SoTC have no filler. There are no mindless enemies to swat with repeated button mashing in SoTC, and in Ico the shadow creatures acted more as a time-constraint to puzzle-solving than a physical threat. There are no fetch quests, no townspeople. The plot is minimal and concise, and the experience of playing the game tells the story much more than any cut scenes. This results in some of the most "pure" gaming I've ever had.
• You're not a complete badass. Jumping and climbing is hard in these games. In the animations, your character stumbles, holds his sword awkardly, loses his grip. So many games—even so called "realistic" games—have effortless control where you merely have to press a few timed buttons to make your avatar do a double-cartwheel off of the heads of a dozen monsters, impaling them all as he falls. The difficulty of controlling Ico and SoTC is the polar opposite, and rather than detract from the experience it adds realism—it makes you feel like this magical world could really exist and you could be there.
I really wish more games took their cues from this team's game design philosophy. I'm looking at you, Next Zelda Game.
I love how the control always feels spot on.
In ICO you feel like a small boy, with no combat training. In SOTC, you feel like a true badass, willing to put everything on the line.
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How did you forget about the lizards? Two type, no less.
I could go on for paragraphs about the clever juxtaposition of going from hunting tiny lizards that are almost invisible to the naked eye to bringing down massive behemoths so large that their girth affects the weather.
Clever, especially in that the lizards are more of a challenge than some of the giant lumbering beasts.
Too bad you aren't European. There are piles and piles of the game there (still sealed!), because they did a reprint right around the time SotC was released.
Dammit! Well that's awesome for you guys though. I'm glad the game has the fanbase it deserves in some territories atleast. Has anyone seen The Mega64 Ico skits? They're pretty classy.
This is our secret motive for we Nintendo fans wanting Sony to die.
That SotC screenie in the OP is horribly ruined by the terrible texturing on that rock.
I may be in the minority, but I HATE most of the Mega64 skits. All they do is run around and annoy the fuck out of people. Every video is pretty much exactly the same, just based on a different game.
The only exception I've seen so far is the Shenmue one, since a lot of people just thought he was a random retarded kid, so it resulted in a wider variety of reactions.
You have obviously not seen the NSMB one.
Some of us went and bought it rare before the rerelease.
I was not terribly happy.
I never got the play ICO, but SotC is one of my favorite games, and not only was it very emotional and very fun (at times), but they did many things that shouldn't be possible on the PS2. There's a reason it has a crappy framerate!
I would love a remake on the PS3 in HD, though I would also hate it for making me buy a PS3. I hope he waits until late into the PS3's lifetime to make a new game so I don't have to buy one until the next price-drop.
SotC certainly did wring some impossible feats out of the PS2. The depth of field blur, the film grain, and the draw distance were all pretty impressive looking on a system like that, even if the framerate took a nosedive occasionally.
And the animations! The horse, especially. Twilight Princess was nice, but Epona's animation wasn't in the same league.
And the fish.
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And the horse!
And a dead chick.
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Not to mention the fact that Agro controlled like a real horse! It didn't just blindly go where you pushed the analog stick, you had to kind of guide it in the right general direction. Made it seem like the horse was a real character rather than a mere means of transportation. And the way Wander would desperately yell "Agro!" in the middle of a boss fight was perfect.
And the music! It's so goddamn amazing. I'm listening to it right now, and you can just picture the colossus fights that each song corresponds to.
After playing SotC, I just can't stand using horses in any other games. They all just end up feeling like freaking robots. Even the ones in Assassin's Creed, which mimicked a fair bit from SotC, they just didn't have the personality Agro did.
SO pissed off.
That said, I absolutely love the atmosphere and scale, and would love to see what the guys can do with the PS3. It'd be another tipping-point towards getting one.
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DAMMIT ALL TO HELL thanks.
The best part about the gameplay are those revelations you have when you suddenly figure it out.
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That was a trying period.
Well. I have all their DVDs, and I will say that the weakest part of Mega64 is the videogame skits. The episodes and the characters are fan-fucking-tastic in my personal opinion. I don't think the skits are bad, but like I said, weakest link.
Spoilers, obviously.
Beating the last colossus in under three minutes is an amazing feeling.
My favorite trick is with the sword wielder. I tried for hours to perfect the trick where you catapult off his sword as he raises it and land on his collar. When you actually nail it, you feel like a god. Time Attack mode is so much fun. This thread is making me wish I still had a PS2.
1) A Final Fantasy VII Remake
2) Anything by Team ICO.
Seriously... it sucks because I know that I'm going to have no choice but to buy Sony's crappy hardware, these games are irresistible. Hopefully another price drop will head our way before these games hit the market.