So looks like Dion's it. I watched at the end, where they were showing both his and Ignatieff's faces as the results were read, and MAN did Ignatieff ever look like a smug fucker. Dion looked confident but almost serene, Ignatieff looked like an impatient 6 year old in church or something.
I don't know too much about Dion, but from what little I've read I think he'll do well. He seems focused on environmental issues, which are going to be a major concern in the next election, I think. Harper's days are numbered now that the Liberals have a real leader!
Speak for yourself. The country doesn't need Harper-lite.
I don't like the accusation that he's no different than Harper - for one he's not a social conservative at all. I consider Ignatieff to be a pretty solid liberal. Though I did notice last night during his speech that he totally has a strong Dr. Evil-esque twang in his voice. Maybe it's just an Ontario thing (though Myers' family is Scottish and the Ignatieff's are Russian).
Socially, probably not. But when you're constructing elaborate justifications for indefinite detention and other Bush exercises in insanity, my interpretation is that he'd be little different than Harper in terms of giving Bush the lead in our foreign policy.
But I'm not really committed anyway. I'm happy with Dion, though apparently plenty of surveys are showing that Ignatieff would fare much better in an election.
I think Dion's a decent consensus pick (and really, this is why we need a preferential voting system in general elections).
I only saw a bit of this tonight, but when I did watch a little bit when they had Jean Chretin up there talking. Kinda funny seeing him making remarks against Harper.
This is only tangentially connected, but speaking of party leadership races and preferential voting, an enormous long-shot just won the Alberta PC leadership and became premier.
This is only tangentially connected, but speaking of party leadership races and preferential voting, an enormous long-shot just won the Alberta PC leadership and became premier.
This is only tangentially connected, but speaking of party leadership races and preferential voting, an enormous long-shot just won the Alberta PC leadership and became premier.
From what I heard, it was a three-way race between (I forget names):
1) Moderate guy endorsed by Klein
2) Right-wing extremist that makes Klein look like a Liberal
3) Some other guy that didn't stand a chance on his own but might win if everyone who doesn't like #2 votes for him.
Albertans woke Sunday to a new premier-designate — Ed Stelmach, a 55-year-old soft-spoken farmer who beat former finance minister Jim Dinning after a second weekend of voting by Progressive Conservative party members.
Dinning and rookie backbencher Ted Morton, a southern Alberta backbencher who was policy director for the Canadian Alliance party, were in first and second place entering Saturday's vote for the provincial Tory leadership.
They were trailed by Stelmach, a former intergovernmental affairs minister from the northern Alberta riding of Fort Saskatchewan-Vegreville.
I really have no idea about this race, but yeah, he does sound like a longshot. Any other commentary?
Albertans woke Sunday to a new premier-designate — Ed Stelmach, a 55-year-old soft-spoken farmer who beat former finance minister Jim Dinning after a second weekend of voting by Progressive Conservative party members.
Dinning and rookie backbencher Ted Morton, a southern Alberta backbencher who was policy director for the Canadian Alliance party, were in first and second place entering Saturday's vote for the provincial Tory leadership.
They were trailed by Stelmach, a former intergovernmental affairs minister from the northern Alberta riding of Fort Saskatchewan-Vegreville.
I really have no idea about this race, but yeah, he does sound like a longshot. Any other commentary?
Jim Dinning whom had support from a number of elected ministers sounds like number 1, he had much of his support in the urban area and big business but was lacking in the rural parts of Alberta.
Ted Morton sounds very pro-Alberta, social conservative and in many ways very similar to Stephen Harper so he's probally the 2nd one.
Ed Stelmach did sound like the long shot of the three but got enough of the votes to pass Morton. Once Morton was dropped most his supporters switched to Stelmach.
This is only tangentially connected, but speaking of party leadership races and preferential voting, an enormous long-shot just won the Alberta PC leadership and became premier.
From what I heard, it was a three-way race between (I forget names):
1) Moderate guy endorsed by Klein
2) Right-wing extremist that makes Klein look like a Liberal
3) Some other guy that didn't stand a chance on his own but might win if everyone who doesn't like #2 votes for him.
So who won?
#3.
#2 scared the shit out of a lot of PCers, apparently, because he was well to the right of Klein, and he could well have ended the multi-decade PC hegemony here.
CBC's coverage of this is just painful. They could have used some better reporters on the floor.
Belinda's lookin good though.
:winky:
That's true
That traitorous dog?
[spoiler:cd062fb9a1]I'd hit it.[/spoiler:cd062fb9a1]
[spoiler:cd062fb9a1]Me too [/spoiler:cd062fb9a1]
I'm actually pretty happy with Stephane Dion. What I've read and seen of him I like, and I'm optimistic that he'll continue to impress. He strikes me as very genuine.
It's weird that Rae didn't throw his support behind either. Doesn't seem like the act of a leader to me.
I'd read an article about how and how he said he didn't want to choose the leader, which he'd basically be doing if he supported someone and asked his delegates to follow his lead. They could ignore him, of course, but it still wouldn't have looked good.
Its ok, they aren't called that anymore. Its now just the plain old Conservative Party.
Though I did like it when at one time their party proposed a name change whose acronym would have been CRAP.
On topic: I didn't like Ignatief much at all (someone who hasn't actually lived in the country for a long time sort of disqualifies themself from being a suitable leader for a national political party IMO), so I'm glad to see he didn't win.
Its ok, they aren't called that anymore. Its now just the plain old Conservative Party.
Though I did like it when at one time their party proposed a name change whose acronym would have been CRAP.
On topic: I didn't like Ignatief much at all (someone who hasn't actually lived in the country for a long time sort of disqualifies themself from being a suitable leader for a national political party IMO), so I'm glad to see he didn't win.
Would you kindly not speak if you don't know what's being discussed. In Alberta, and every other province I can think of, it is still the Progressive Conservative Party. The connection is ideological, and jsut because one province has a PC government or Liberal government won't generally affect the provincial-federal relationship. It will slightly, but simply because of ideology. They aren't separate wings of the same party.
You live in VanCity, you should know better.
I'm glad to see the environmental candidate take the Liberal leadership, it means that maybe something will get done on that front once the Liberals get back into government. I'll still be voting Green though.
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I was skimming the thread, and saw Shinto's post, which I thought was talking about the old national PC party, which is indeed, not called that anymore. I am well aware that national and provincial parties with same name are more or less independant of each other.
And as for your "you should know better" crack, seriously, fuck off. But I suppose I should expect that sort of thing, we all know only prissy assholes live in Banff. See I can be a complete retard and make fucking lame references to location too! Aren't I witty!
I was skimming the thread, and saw Shinto's post, which I thought was talking about the old national PC party, which is indeed, not called that anymore. I am well aware that national and provincial parties with same name are more or less independant of each other.
And as for your "you should know better" crack, seriously, fuck off. But I suppose I should expect that sort of thing, we all know only prissy assholes live in Banff. See I can be a complete retard and make fucking lame references to location too! Aren't I witty!
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Move south. It is so much fun living in the goldfish bowl with everyone having an opinion about you.
When is the next round of voting taken for the leadership?
Second ballot happened already:
Dryden withdrew, put support behind Rae.
Kennedy withdrew, put support behind Dion.
So, in theory, Dion is the new front runner
New vote going on now.
took out her barrettes and her hair spilled out like rootbeer
Dion 37%
Ignatieff 34.5%
Rae 28.5%
Looks like Dion will take it (as I had hoped all along).
Oh and Ken Dryden's pins are the best: "Ken Dryden garde les buts des Canadiens"
Belinda's lookin good though.
:winky:
edit: and he also supports US missile defence shield. Which further ruins my opinion of the man.
I don't know too much about Dion, but from what little I've read I think he'll do well. He seems focused on environmental issues, which are going to be a major concern in the next election, I think. Harper's days are numbered now that the Liberals have a real leader!
I think Dion's a decent consensus pick (and really, this is why we need a preferential voting system in general elections).
[spoiler:9ad63d5889]I'd hit it.[/spoiler:9ad63d5889]
"Steven, can I call you Steve like George Bush?"
3DS: 2852-6809-9411
Really? It wasn't the Finance Minister?
From what I heard, it was a three-way race between (I forget names):
1) Moderate guy endorsed by Klein
2) Right-wing extremist that makes Klein look like a Liberal
3) Some other guy that didn't stand a chance on his own but might win if everyone who doesn't like #2 votes for him.
So who won?
I really have no idea about this race, but yeah, he does sound like a longshot. Any other commentary?
Jim Dinning whom had support from a number of elected ministers sounds like number 1, he had much of his support in the urban area and big business but was lacking in the rural parts of Alberta.
Ted Morton sounds very pro-Alberta, social conservative and in many ways very similar to Stephen Harper so he's probally the 2nd one.
Ed Stelmach did sound like the long shot of the three but got enough of the votes to pass Morton. Once Morton was dropped most his supporters switched to Stelmach.
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#2 scared the shit out of a lot of PCers, apparently, because he was well to the right of Klein, and he could well have ended the multi-decade PC hegemony here.
I'm actually pretty happy with Stephane Dion. What I've read and seen of him I like, and I'm optimistic that he'll continue to impress. He strikes me as very genuine.
I'd read an article about how and how he said he didn't want to choose the leader, which he'd basically be doing if he supported someone and asked his delegates to follow his lead. They could ignore him, of course, but it still wouldn't have looked good.
You confuse me Canada.
Though I did like it when at one time their party proposed a name change whose acronym would have been CRAP.
On topic: I didn't like Ignatief much at all (someone who hasn't actually lived in the country for a long time sort of disqualifies themself from being a suitable leader for a national political party IMO), so I'm glad to see he didn't win.
Would you kindly not speak if you don't know what's being discussed. In Alberta, and every other province I can think of, it is still the Progressive Conservative Party. The connection is ideological, and jsut because one province has a PC government or Liberal government won't generally affect the provincial-federal relationship. It will slightly, but simply because of ideology. They aren't separate wings of the same party.
You live in VanCity, you should know better.
I'm glad to see the environmental candidate take the Liberal leadership, it means that maybe something will get done on that front once the Liberals get back into government. I'll still be voting Green though.
I was skimming the thread, and saw Shinto's post, which I thought was talking about the old national PC party, which is indeed, not called that anymore. I am well aware that national and provincial parties with same name are more or less independant of each other.
And as for your "you should know better" crack, seriously, fuck off. But I suppose I should expect that sort of thing, we all know only prissy assholes live in Banff. See I can be a complete retard and make fucking lame references to location too! Aren't I witty!
TL, DR: :roll:
What are you even talking about?