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NotASenator
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Currently, here in D.C., CPAC is having their annual meeting.
So far, lots of talk about how God is awesome and liberals want the terrorists to win and, oh yeah, Romney has dropped out of the election.
This topic is just to talk about CPAC.
You can view a live feed on the CNN video site:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?iref=videoglobal
by clicking on LIVE VIDEO and selecting it from the right hand menu.
So far, lots of talk about how God is awesome and liberals want the terrorists to win and, oh yeah, Romney has dropped out of the election.
This topic is just to talk about CPAC.
You can view a live feed on the CNN video site:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?iref=videoglobal
by clicking on LIVE VIDEO and selecting it from the right hand menu.
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What the hell does that even mean?
The rest of it is just... ugh.
Not that Romney had a lot of brilliant things to say, mind you.
He continued by suggesting that dirty immigrants come here and say that they are here for freedom, and if they want freedom, they should speak English because that's what binds us together in Godly Freedom.
I think.
It was hard to follow.
It means that English is the primary trade language in the world and also the primary language spoken in the United States and so knowing English is a useful thing if you live in the US
Yes
you're dumber than a sack of hammers.
Aw George, not the livestock.
land of opportunity my ass
companies that hire illegal immigrants need to be investigated and fined
that ain't kosher
or maybe we should help mexico the fuck out
or anything like that there
Yes, they should deport you if they catch you coming in.
Do you think if Spain was 10x larger than it is that they would have the funds, resources and ability to find and deport 12 million of you, and if the alternative is to devise ways to get money out of at least some you in regards to back taxes and fines, don't you think that's a better solution?
And I'm still more concerned with illegal immigrants not getting jobs, and companies that outsource like tomorrow's the rapture and we're all invited.
these are also good ideas
although I don't know what would need to be done to help Mexico
it's pretty screwed up
the idea is to make legal immigration easier, get them documented and paying taxes, and then make available all the state services they should have available to them.
right now the healthcare system in southern california is in a deep, mired shithole because of illegal immigrants unable to pay for care, and not paying taxes are sucking the money right out of the public hospitals
I hope you live in the southwest.
I hope you realize how hard it is to even function in some areas of Los Angeles or Long Beach because everything except the road signs is done in spanish.
You know how hard it is for a kid getting out of high school to get work around here? You want to work construction over the summer to pay for college? Too bad. No work for you.
Immigration? Fine. Illegal immigration? Fuck that. There are plenty of people who go through the fucking proccess and I welcome all of them, but the people just skirting the system ... fuck them. They pay no taxes and they collect benefits.
Can any of you guys argue a point without resorting to semantics or sarcasm?
California, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico are some of the area most affected by illegal immgration. Los Angeles is like the fucking capital of illegal immigration. I think we should just cede east Los Angeles to Mexico.
OH NOES YOU GOT ME!
Oh wait... I didnt use sarcasm to respond to him. Did you ignore everything I said before that?
So...no sarcasm...that means...you sincerely believe that we should cede east LA to Mexico?
EDIT: This is in response to Zerofill.
Helping Mexico out without violating the country's sovereignty is pretty tough.
Every time I hear someone say the immigrants just need to "stand in line" and "go through the process" I want to defenestrate them.
There is no line to get into. The sheer magnitude of the advantages of living in the US is so great that our half assed immigration policies can't possibly deal with the flood of people. I have friends who immigrated from Europe, and it took them over a decade to get citizenship. When you're unemployed in fucking Mexico, you can't wait that long.
Also, the idea behind making illegal immigrants legal is that they will then pay taxes.
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So if you want to get on the most awesome roller coaster ever but the line is really long, its okay to cut in front of everyone just because the line is long?
I think I missed the part where the small legal quotas for Mexican immigration and the massive bureaucracy was actually a result of illegal immigration and not racism and governmental stupidity.
Silly me :oops:
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Ahh the race card appears in its usual slimy form.
C'mon man... think hard on this. Do you know why illegal immigrants often try to fit like 12 people in a small house? The infustructure cannot support such a large crowd of immigrants at once, which is why we have those controls. When they skirt them it defeats the purpose of immigration control in the first place, and makes it harder for immigrants trying to enter the country legally.
You know what would happen if I snuck into Mexico or Canada? They would arrest and deport me. If we do it here, its racism. Amazing.
Or, possibly, just bear with me here, they live twelve to a house because they are poor? The infrastructure grows as more people move in, as illegal immigrants need fast food joint workers and grocery stores to cater to them as well. Amount of housing available might be an issue, but they obviously don't mind it enough to stop coming here.
I also don't think the deportation of illegal immigrants is what is racist, it's just not a solution that will, well, solve anything. I do think racism is part of what makes it difficult to immigrate legally, even if it's not direct and obvious.
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This.
I only support the road to citizenship option as much as I do because the above takes time.
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Sure it does but without taking a stance against illegal immigration that time will take forever. Right now almost anyone that wants to can get in here. That has to stop or there's no motive for Mexico's citizens to work towards solving their own problems. The grass will always look greener on the other pasture if the door is left wide open.
My problem with all this is I don't know how to help Mexico without violating the country's sovereignty by toppling their incredibly corrupt government. I suppose we could threaten to cut off their foreign aid but our country is run by pussies and that will never happen.
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