Who’s Killin’ Who?Beasts of Chaos
Beasts of Chaos are the “other” Chaos army: grubby, dirty beastmen, minotaurs, centaurs, and other gribblies. Y’now that creepy medieval picture of a satyr-daemon-thing on a woman’s chest? That’s these guys.
Bretonnia
Pre-revolution French, King Arthur’s knights, and the oppressed peasants from
Monty Python and the Holy Grail squished into an army full of heavy cavalry charges, uppity nobles, and oppressed peasants.
Dark Elves
Ever wanted to play a wargame with Elric’s Melnibonean kin? Drugs, pointy ears, slaves, and the least fruity elves since medieval myth, these guys have little to do with Tolkien’s fairies.
Dogs of War
Everything else. Tilean (read: 15th century Italian) pikemen, giants, ogres, and suicidal dwarf pirates (seriously), Dogs of War is a catch-all for various mercenaries that can be played on their own, or as additions to other forces.
Dwarfs
Like every other dwafs ever, except more obsessed with gold, drunker, and a lot more sullen. If Gimli were a Warhammer dwaf, he would’ve spent three weeks checking a giant gold-lined book, found the time one of Aragorn’s ancestors scuffed his new boot, then cut the man’s head off as payment.
The Empire
The point-of-view for most of the Warhammer World (and setting for WFRP), the Empire is an especially mad take on the 16th century, pre-Protestant Holy Roman Empire. Empire armies have it all, from state-licensed battle wizards to experimental steam and gunpowder cannons. Also, codpieces, tights, and jaunty caps. The Empire is the most stylish fantasy realm ever.
High Elves
Yeah, they’re somewhat like Tolkien’s elves. Except how they’re a bit less “fade into the West” and more “exert control over everything like some facist hyper-Roman/British empire grasping at the last vestiges of divine right”. So they’re more like Tolkien’s elves, with balls.
Hordes of Chaos
Willing servants of Chaos, most of this army is super elite, close combat units. If the Dark Side wasn’t a bunch of whiny bitches and old guys… it’d still be half as apocalyptically badass as Chaos. Except they still always lose… until
next time they march to destroy the world
for sure.
Lizardmen
Biological automatons created by the Old Ones to do stuff. The lizardmen are a smelly and stupid. Die-die lizard-things.
Ogre Kingdoms
Ogres are as fat as your mom. And way more badass, ‘cause they can eat rocks, horses, and have really bit swords and hammers. That’s pretty much all there is to them.
GreenskinsWAAAGH!!!Skaven
The skaven don’t exist. If they did, however, they’d rule the stupid manthings in short order and be the primary protagonists of Warhammer, destined by the will of their god to rule the above-dwellers for all eternity.
Tomb Kings
Undead that don’t suck. The Tomb Kings are the by-product of Nagash’s experiments and ambitions, who happens to be one of the coolest characters in Warhammer. Tomb Kings are less cool, but they could still beat the shit out of Brendan Frasier
and Indiana Jones. At the same time.
Vampire Counts
Whiny bitches, just like in every fantasy setting, ever. Warhammer vampires are a little cooler, though, ‘cause they were another inadvertent creation of Nagash.
Wood Elves
Before Tolkien and Christmas came along, elves were vengeful, nasty, spirits of the forest. These guys skip Tolkien and get back to that. They’re not nice, they keep human children as drugged-up slaves, and they’re allied with possibly Chaotic (or just insane) trees. Also, the Bretonnians are their unknowing bitches.
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New VC - must remember not to mention this to friend who plays VC...
As for the VCs, it seems that, this time around at least, GW seems to be shaking things up a bit. Personally, I'm not to worried about power creep, except accidentally. Sure people keep gibbering about the new High Elves and how terrible they are, but, in my carefully phrased, well considered opinions, they are a bunch of whiny bitches, who can't cope with a mechanic that changes the way the game is normally played.
I'd classify myself as a reasonably experienced High Elf general, and, since the release of the new book, I've won less. Thats right, you bastards who keep complaining about how "imba" the new High Elves are! With the horribly under powered (Allegedly, I'd say it was fine), I went pretty much undefeated for nearly a year, but since the new book has come out, I've drawn a lot more.
I have no idea where I was going with that, but it sure was Cathartic.
Indeed. I am finding myself pleasantly surprised by the overall levels of polish and balance to be found n the newest Army Books; Though the new VC have lots (and lots) of really neat toys to play with, they all come at the expense of (dead) bodies on the ground. And it's bodies on the ground that win battles, not uber-lord vamps with autohitting lances and bonus attacks fr each wound inflicted.
I fully expect playing VC to be an interesting challenge, rather than an automatic win/loss depending on whether I'm fighting Skaven or Dwarfs.
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It was even easier before units in combat became ItP, as you could just have a winged nightmare land next to them and go "boo" and they'd run screaming...
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As a HIGH ELF player.
After that, squishy undead in combat with ogres who don't fear them.. They should go away pretty fast. A heavy-character, light-infantry, raise-the-rest army won't bother my ogres too much. I still don't know how to feel about the summoning potential of the army until i've seen it in action.
My chaos... well... I'll just play a whole shitload of khorne, I guess.
There. I have marked this thread so I can find it later. Marked it, with my pee.
Besides that, they sound pretty balanced, according to what everyone else has said on the subject.
In the mean time, I want to apologize to them because I said they were 4th edition. I mean, that was just n00blish on my part.
Now, admittedly WHFB is better balanced than 40k, but the reason their releases are taking so long is because of model development time - the models have gotten much better, and have far more options, but that all requires a long-ass time to sculpt and have molds made for and such.
I cannot wait to have my ass handed to me on March 8th.
Ayliana Moonwhisper Ecksus Cerazal
Yessir. A sheet of tin metal (or anything that magnets can attach to that can also be easily cut by scissors), and some nice ZD1 magnets (http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=ZD1) glued to each model.
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He's portrayed as this sort of jovial, jolly old guy who thinks that rotting apocolyptic plague is funny as hell... So basically he's a big ole fat bastard who thinks giving you a scorching case of the herp is a big laugh." ---Erandus
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SO... it was 850 and i took 1 unit of chosen knights, 1 unit of 12 warriors, 1 unit of 20 marauders with sword and board, slaanesh sorc and aspiring champ.
now i have lived and learned with those 3 games with that same list. the next fame i have is 1100. so 250pts extra. i was thinking of going with...
-asp champ
-sorc
-15 warriors
-5 knights
-15 marauders
cheers in advance.
Mark of Slaanesh; Barding; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Immune to Psychology
1 Chaos Steed @ [0] Pts
1 Enchanted Shield @ [10] Pts
1 Chaos Sorcerer of Slaanesh @ 105 Pts
General; Mark of Slaanesh; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Immune to Psychology
11 Chaos Warriors @ 198 Pts
Mark of Chaos Undivided; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour
1 Champion @ [26] Pts
Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour
4 Chosen Chaos Knights @ 275 Pts
Mark of Chaos Undivided; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Barding; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Shield; Chosen
1 Chosen Champion @ [65] Pts
Hand Weapon; Chosen; Chaos Armor; Shield
5 Chaos Steed @ [0] Pts
19 Chaos Marauders @ 145 Pts
Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Shield
1 Chieftan @ [16] Pts
Hand Weapon; Shield
Total Roster Cost: 849
5 ItP knights + Asp. Champ with +3 static combat res will be much more effective in low value games than chosen I think.
Or you could give the War Banner to the Champ, as his magic banner, at which point he can go around boosting whatever combat seems to need it. Not to mention that break test re-rolls from the standard bearer will help the marauders a lot.
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as to you Mr rose, that was pretty much my exact list. and i will now use the knights as regular with the MoS. my Troubles really came from an organ gun, and anyone with real magic power or shooting power. i was thinking of maybe getting a beast heard to ambush when our campaign goes to higher points.
also i agree erandus. more knights can never be a bad thing. i hope to run many units of them in the future.
If you want a strictly mortal list, your only real options are marauder fast cav (which you should have anyway to help your warriors get charges) or warhounds (which are pretty weak and can even manage to lose combats to war machine crews if things go badly).
If you want to include daemons, furies and daemonette cav would be pretty useful.
Mark of Slaanesh; Barding; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Battle Standard Bearer; Immune to Psychology
1 Chaos Steed @ [0] Pts
1 War Banner @ [25] Pts
1 Chaos Sorcerer of Slaanesh @ 105 Pts
General; Mark of Slaanesh; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Immune to Psychology
11 Chaos Warriors @ 198 Pts
Mark of Chaos Undivided; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour
1 Champion @ [26] Pts
Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour
4 Chaos Knights of Slaanesh @ 235 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Barding; Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour; Shield; Immune to Psychology
1 Champion @ [53] Pts
Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour; Shield
5 Chaos Steed @ [0] Pts
19 Chaos Marauders @ 145 Pts
Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Shield
1 Chieftan @ [16] Pts
Hand Weapon; Shield
Total Roster Cost: 849
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What's that you say? 8 power dice and 4 dispel? That's not so impressive mister Grey Seer.
What's that? Ohhh...you brought along 300 of your friends. Yes, that is quite impressive.
Ayliana Moonwhisper Ecksus Cerazal
Do it.
Oh, it's there. I don't want to spoil it in case my friend reads this before tommorrow, but:
So much room for goodies even after kitting out the Grey Seer with Bell.
Ayliana Moonwhisper Ecksus Cerazal
Needs. More. WARPSTONE.
And I am being completely cereal.
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Blood Bowl's awesome.