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Open Source Boob Project: degrading or celebrating women?
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Yeah, taller people do significantly better earnings-wise. Or rather, there's a penalty for being a short person. Not sure how that currently ties into gender in developed countries, because body size differentiation between the genders has shrunk somewhat.
Wage Effects of Obesity among Young Workers
Social Science Quarterly 71,1 (March 1990): 130-141
Cohort(s): NLSY79
ID Number: 2009
Publisher: University of Texas Press
Permission to reprint the abstract has not been received from the publisher.
This paper analyzes whether there exists a wage penalty for obesity defined as being 20 percent or more above one's ideal weight. Estimated earnings functions for samples of males and females from the NLSY indicate that, among the 18-25 year olds studied, obese females earn more than 12% less than comparable non-obese females. No significant effect of obesity on earnings was found for the males studied.
from here: http://www.nlsbibliography.org/qauthor.php3?xxx=WILLIAMS,+DONALD+R.
I've never had much of a 'neat' or tidy appearance, usually being somewhat dishevelled. I've never had any trouble advancing my scientific career because my qualifications and similar speak for themselves. I was accepted to a job in Brisbane (which, due to PhD going well I've not accepted) without them needing to see what I looked like and just my experience/degree.
Basically, The Cat is dead-on.
Exactly. I even have problems with my body odor, due to breaking my nose when I was 17 I have been rendered completely unable to smell. This means that even with regular showering, wearing deoderant and the likes, I can still have quite a poignant smell (accidentally, because I don't know). If I've gone off running somewhere on an errand during the day for example, I often get all nice and sweaty without realising I also stink quite a bit. It takes a conscious effort for me to reapply deoderant and the like during the day.
Edit: I've never felt as if my physical appearance has been taken into account by my supervisors or employers. Hell, I was a skinny white dude employed as a chemist delivery boy to deliver prescriptions by bike (which I actually did pretty well anyway, appearances can be deceiving).
understand, I just wanted to see some reports and as expected the Cat has responded with several.
There are different ideas of what is attractive between the two genders, and obesity is carried differently as well, especially when the common ideal for women is being -underweight-.
Mind you, I don't doubt that there's a difference, but it exists for men in its own way.
And I really really want to see the numbers controlled for people raised in the 50s.
Only a furry could have come up with something this stupid.
Let's hope this is true.
It doesn't change the fact that if you're bald or short or have bad skin or are just plain old ugly, you're going to have a harder time getting the job you want that Mitt Romney.
I'm not debating that women have it tougher. I'm disputing the notion that a guy's appearance has zero effect on his career. Hell, even one of the studies posted says that there is some coloration.
Ugly people have it harder than attractive people.
Ugly women have it harder than ugly men.
Attractive women have it harder than attractive men.
On these three points, I think we can all agree.
I dread the notion of showing up for an interview with a bald guy all narrowing his eyes at my ponytail.
Are we talking about lifetime earnings on average, here? Because if that is the case then there is more at work than just whether or not a guy dresses well or has ten chins.
Cat you are kindof implying that I can expect to go to an interview dressed like a clueless fuck and have a decent chance at getting the job. That just ain't true. If I have a better chance of getting a job in said situation than a girl, it is because I have a penis, not because of how I am dressed... and I guarantee you a better dressed, better looking man, all else being equal, would have a better chance at getting that job than I would.
In any case, it's still stupid.
Diets are often different between genders/sexes, too, as are popular recreational activities, especially when you have the money to access them.
Heck, my mom doesn't work 1/10 as hard as my dad does (my dad builds a mansion on the weekends. BY HIMSELF), but he's the only one who is overweight (and he used to be ripped) in the family anymore, because he chomps down steaks every single chance he gets because it makes him feel wealthy. (My world is magical and strange I know I know)
Feral I think you've hit on the sad-but-true essence of the matter.
We could parse whether or not say, an attractive well-dressed woman would get a job over a poorly dressed man. But I think we're all essentially in agreement. There are stupid expectations out there working against us all, and it's not a fair game.
Who even goes around talking to a woman and being like "hey can I touch your boobs". Normal people don't do that. Oogling is fine, touching isn't.
I disagree.
I was having a shitty day too.
's all good now.
the Onion | Woman At Farscape Convention Has Dangerously Inflated Self-Image
This deserves linkage for the proof of utter depths of this man's sexual depravations.
http://www.theferrett.com/showarticle.php?Rant=46
that's just so creepy. I need to shower now.
Cat - that's been my position all along, these are women that have felt out of the loop for ahving star wars toys when they grew up instead of Barbies, and like shit most girls "puuuuuukeee~" at.
A demographic rife with exploitative possibilities to finally feel wanted, hell to even feel like an object maybe...certainly something they missed out on in 6th -8th grade.
The biggest problem lies in the shield of voluntariness ... simply because something is voluntary and does not require participation, some people say that gives you carte blanche to go out and do whatever you want, hell it's voluntary. I say this only as an example of an extreme form of where voluntary can go - I have no desire to debate the topic, or even discuss it, it a fact in support of a theory - many forms of genocide and segregation have started with voluntary programs to denote ones status in a community- and followed with the eventual unabashed abuse of many many people. It starts voluntary, then no one can escape it, it becomes totally pervasive.
If this caught on, at some point social pressure would dictate knowledge, and then participation by at least one person that may be uncomfortable with it, and that is just the start.
On a side note, this has just been fantastic discussing this, I should've broken my lurker status a long time ago heh.
This is why we turn to Package Managers, and the objectification of object oriented programming.
(oh god, how glad I am that I know none of you in person.)
D:
I really can't begin to explain all the things wrong with the story...it's that bad.
Well, duh. If you are a very handsome guy, it factors in. However, being ugly does not work against you as a man.
I'm not trying to bait anyone, I just don't see how this story is that much different than your typical "guy in a relationship has an affair with woman from work / woman he met in bookstore / whatever". I mean, his relationship with his girlfriend wasn't particularly healthy (but not uncommon), and his only interest in this other woman was to get laid (unfortunate, but still not uncommon). I just don't see how the fact that the woman was homeless, or the fact that she ended up being somewhat unstable, makes his actions any worse.
I am LOL'ing over here.
It's obviously unethical. My point was, I don't see how it's any worse than the behavior of your average 22-year-old fratboy. This guy might be a creep, but he doesn't have a monopoly on cheating or narcissism.