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Open Source Boob Project: degrading or celebrating women?
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Well, there's the whole "exploiting someone's clearly visible problems for fun and profit regardless of how it fucks them over" aspect.
Unless you are an attractive man.
I only point this out because, whereas I think The Cat is a wonderful advocate for her points, I think the "men can be sloppy and it's ok, women can't" argument is bullshit. Sorry for being late to the party.
Um, her point still stands, because women are going to take a bigger hit per amount of weight over they are. Look at the recent vote over the Leadbetter Fair Pay Act, and McCain's rather uninformed and disgusting comments in reference to his opposition to the bill - he tried to pawn it off as a matter of lack of training, which if you had read the case was not the matter at all. These are the sorts of hurdles that women face, and saying "well men also have (much smaller) hurdles as well" doesn't help your case.
Now, I think you're trying to reframe your argument from something specific that the articles don't support (weight doesn't affect men and it affects women in the workplace) to something broader that could umbrella the articles (unfair gender bias).
Not if she's asked to support it, and she didn't.
But it sure does help to say that and then prove it when someone says "these hurdles don't exist."
This is the most ridiculously and embarrassingly pathetic thing I've read all day.
No, I don't see where I said anything about suicide, or a sex cult, or a suicidal sex cult. And frankly I'm not sure if you're calling my paragraph "the most ridiculously and embarrassingly pathetic thing I've read all day" or the piece of The Ferret's monologue that I am referring to. I'll assume you're not talking about mine, as that would be rather idiotic.
If you really don't think there's a problem saying "and lo! we touched the boobies" (yeah, I'm paraphrasing), then you don't understand even layman's psychology or the English language and how they relate.
Because a fratboy pushed me and then stole my Gameboy. They are all now the scum of the Earth.
Ogling isn't really fine either. It's pretty rude to just stare at a woman's chest, though it's less creepy than asking her if you can touch.
Okay, sorry, I really thought you were talking about my post for a moment which befuddled me.
I scratched my head. Literally. Granted I have an itchy pimple up there, but still...
I think there's also a desire to be outraged in some cases, when you blatantly dress with everything hanging out and then loudly protest that anyone notices.
I solve this by wearing a banana hammock when walking around central square.
Well that's fine as long as you have a decent body. Otherwise, hell no.
The problem is in assuming that women dress in certain ways to attract attention. They may be dressing that way because they feel good dressed that way. Because a girl wears a miniskirt does not mean she is trying to get people to ogle her, oogle her, or even moogle her. Sometimes googling works, though, if you get their name.
Jokes aside, seriously, it's a faux pas to assume that women want to attract attention. I'm not suggesting that they want to REPEL attention, but that attracting attention isn't necessarily a part of their thought process when they get dressed. That attracting attention appears to be a natural symptom of dressing, um, "hotly" isn't the same thing as dressing that way for that purpose.
Also, I'm pretty sure fish are universally disgusting.
How do you know why a woman dresses the way she does? Wearing something that looks nice on her does not automatically mean her motivation is male attention.
You statement is dangerously close to "if she didn't want to be raped, she wouldn't have been wearing that skirt!"
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Because 9% think it's too high, and shouldn't be cut! 9% of respondents could not fully
get their arms around the question. There should be another box you can check for, "I
have utterly no idea what you're talking about. Please, God, don't ask for my input."
It's absolutely moronic and disingenuous to say that women don't dress for attention. The girls at the Packers game in the snow who wore the cheese bikini tops? Attention seeking. They wanted attention and they got it. If they didn't want attention, they wouldn't have done it.
I just don't understand the argument against that. Please explain.
Yeah, let's not start that stupid argument (which most people would agree is stupid, although the people who engage in the argument are not).
Completely out of place "I'm wearing a bikini top to a bar nowhere near a beach"? Probably wants attention.
I can understand wanting to look nice in general. I also know that even guys may dress to get attention when they go out.
Maybe they just wanted to look like Princess Laia. You cannot universally prove that all women who dress scantily do it "to get attention." The assumption is incorrect. It is not justified because (a) they do get attention (which is something of a post hoc ergo propter hoc argument, that because the effect of dressing proves that they dressed specifically to get attention or (b) because some women seem to appreciate the attention or even (c) because they dressed scantilier than some arbitrary Mason-Dixon line you've drawn to decide who is an "attention whore" and who is merely an innocent girl about town.
And, for the record, there's nothing wrong with appreciating the attention, but it is incorrect to assume that dressing to get that attention.
I think your argument is even LESS true in the context of a costumed affair like a convention specifically because people dress up to idolize their...heroes or whatever. You could make a better case for halloween, in fact, than a comic convention.
It's completely false (not disingenuous, but outright incorrect) to assume all women who dress in some "hot" fashion are doing it for attention. Honest to God if this thread does nothing else I hope it opens some minds to this. Yes, in some contexts, a women may dress a certain way to get attention. Hookers dress a certain way to attract their clients and it would be false to suggest otherwise. Cheerleaders and Hooters waitresses are given the outfits they are given to, yes, attract attention. But the girl wearing a Poison Ivy costume, or the business lady in a short skirt, or whatever else? No, not necessarily. You need to stop assuming this, because it's wrong. I don't think anyone is arguing that NO women dress to get attention, but it is absolutely incorrect to assume ALL girls who dress below some square-inch textile threshold are seeking attention.
It's the same thing.
"You are worse off if you are not attractive" is the same thing as "You are better off if you are attractive." So you're changing your argument and admitting I'm right? You said that a man's appearance has no bearing on his career. Look I have a quote: I mean, just stop talking in absolutes.
We were talking about the women at cons, specifically the scantily dressed ones. I thought it went without saying, due to the context of the conversation, that's what I was referring to. If there was confusion, fine. I'll admit I made the assumption that everyone would view my comment in that context.
But I couldn't even make the argument then if me saying "women = majority" and you saying "women = all." We can always find an outlier to invalidate any argument.
And sure, maybe they did want to look like Leia. So did other a few others who managed to do it without wearing the gold bikinis. Of course, the others didn't get as much attention or pose for nearly as many pictures while we were all lined up in the Indiana Room.
Seriously? I mean, this paragraph? Seriously? Man, we're going to have to agree to disagree.
Also, as specifically regards cons - a lot of female characters are skimpily clad, thus when a woman wants to dress up as a character, they have a good chance of ending up wearing something not very conservative almost by default.
See, we can do this dumb shit all day. It's even better for me because I'm wasting tax dollars to do it.
Yeah that's not my goddamn point at all. You can show me, and I agree, that there are instances when a woman does dress a certain way solely for the attention she will get from males.
This does not extrapolate to any kind of blanket assumption about why women dress however they dress. Assumptions like that lead to bad things like blaming a woman's outfit instead of her rapist.
I don't blame a tree for me walking into a tree, though it totally had stripped bark and wanted it.