As was foretold, we've added advertisements to the forums! If you have questions, or if you encounter any bugs, please visit this thread: https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/240191/forum-advertisement-faq-and-reports-thread/
Options

Graphic Novel V. Comic Book

Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of KafiristanRegistered User regular
edited May 2008 in Graphic Violence
Here's and opinion piece I wrote for my school newspaper. I couldn't come up with a particularly clever or useful title for it, so instead I'll just tell you that it is about my irritation with the term "graphic novel." Enjoy.

***

Free Comic Book Day was this week. The day operates on the theory that, if you enjoyed this Hellboy short-story for free, then you’d be willing to pay for a bigger one later on. Once, years ago, there was a time when a single issue could sell millions of copies nation wide. Since the boom of the 1990's, the comic industry has fallen on hard times. Nowadays, the number one issue nationwide might crack one hundred thousand copies. Free Comic Book Day, movies and re-launches are all apart of the industry’s attempts to bring in new readers to the industry, which I’m all for. But there’s one way that the industry has tried to grab new readers, and that is by re-dubbing comic books as “graphic novels.”

The phrase appears in movie trailers, on posters, and, apparently, even in class. I’m irritated, because it’s a movement that has come from marketing, not from the readers and not from the writers. Some slick guy in marketing figured out that comic books was a term associated with lots of ugly things– pocket protectors, tights, virginity– and that Joe Q. Public just wouldn’t be interested in that kind of a thing. Graphic novels, though, that has a ring of sophistication. You can hold a graphic novel in one and a latte in the other and not feel like a nerd.

I imagine that the American Indians had the same reaction when the pilgrims tried to co-op the things they knew and loved.

“Man, this is pretty good. What do you guys call this?”

“Maize.”

“Nah, too ethnic. We’re gonna call it ‘corn.’”

Except that I’m not wracked with small pox when this happened.

The term is also a disguise. It says “It’s okay to read Watchmen, it isn’t a comic book, it’s a graphic novel.” The story hasn’t changed since it was written, but now that it’s a graphic novel, maybe now people are willing to take it seriously. It’s a disguise because, as I understand it, graphic novels can be “literature” where as comic books are just “genre.”

Raymond Chandler and Kurt Vonnegut made their entire careers writing“genre” literature. Even Cormac McCarthy is best known for writing a western, a crime thriller, and a post-apocalyptic drama. If you go back and you look hard enough you can write any author off by calling their work “genre.” Poe wrote horror. De Sade made porno. Homer wrote alternate history. The category a piece of work falls under shouldn’t determine whether it’s a good story or a bad one.

I realize that the “graphic novels” have been around for years. Originally, it referred to a kind of comic that is published as one volume instead of as a serial. Where my problem comes from is that the prettier, more marketable term is obscuring what a comic actually is– which is kind of the point. It’s not an entirely honest move, but maybe calling comics something else is what the industry needs. Thinking like that might even lead to an industry where people buy comics simply because they enjoy them. What a world that would be. Now, if you’ll excuse me I have to go see Charlie Chaplain dressed as a robot fight The Dude.

Penguin Incarnate on
«1

Posts

  • Options
    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    it's an okay piece, but the end needs so much work.

    The Lovely Bastard on
    7656367.jpg
  • Options
    SalmonOfDoubtSalmonOfDoubt Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I have no problem calling limited series like to pilfer your example, Watchmen graphic novels since they are typically self contained stories with a clear beginning and end. It's not like story arcs in on-going series since they naturally have continuing elements and aren't really any more a novel than the old serials in pulp magazines.

    Also:
    You can hold a graphic novel in one and a latte in the other and not feel like a nerd.
    This is a lie.

    SalmonOfDoubt on
    heavensidesig80.jpg
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    killing children would be hilarious
    Olivaw wrote: »
    HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE PENNY ARCADE FORUMS

    PLEASE ENJOY YOUR STAY

    AND THIS PENIS
    Man, I don't want to read about this lady's broken vagina.
    NotACrook wrote: »
    I am sitting here trying to come up with a tiered system for rating child molesters.
    cock vore is fuckin hilarious
  • Options
    Sars_BoySars_Boy Rest, You Are The Lightning. Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    i really hate it when people use graphic novel to describe whatever comic they're reading

    I mean, the term has legitimacy, but it's all fucking comics people

    Sars_Boy on
  • Options
    wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    If the more palatable term "graphic novel" means that comics are more acceptable to the mainstream and thus we get more comics, I'm perfectly fine with it.

    wwtMask on
    When he dies, I hope they write "Worst Affirmative Action Hire, EVER" on his grave. His corpse should be trolled.
    Twitter - @liberaltruths | Google+ - http://gplus.to/wwtMask | Occupy Tallahassee
  • Options
    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    my local comic shop was all out of the free Hellboy comic when I got there

    I was disappointed

    Centipede Damascus on
  • Options
    Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    I think it's safe to call Watchmen a graphic novel
    Since that's what it is
    A novel that has pictures

    Me Too! on
  • Options
    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I really don't like the term "graphic novel". It always sounds to me like people tried to find the most important-sounding words they could use to describe a comic book

    although "comic book" isn't much better, because most comic books aren't very comic

    Centipede Damascus on
  • Options
    INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt with blood on my teeth Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    For the longest time I was actually under the impression that 'graphic novels' were something other than just long comic books

    I was so confused

    INeedNoSalt on
  • Options
    kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    If Graphic Novel just ends up meaning a "non-shitty comic book", then it's a pretty useless term that reflects existing value judgments than helping order our understanding of the field.

    I might like to distinguish collected works that tell a coherent, narrative story in one swoop rather than be long-running, self-contradicting, endlessly retconned cash cows.

    So like the Sandman, while long, and in individual form might be a comic book, is a graphic novel once it's collected. The same for Animal Man, Y: The Last Man, or very writing-intensive things like the Filth, Daniel Clowes pieces, or the Watchmen . It's a question if there's a coherent narrative, not quality - you can have a crappy, trashy graphic novel the same way you can have a potboiler romance or action novel.

    On the other hand, you can comic books that are bite-sized but very expressive and original - one-offs, Punisher War Journal #4, or Crumb's stuff, or the air pirates or whatever.

    kaliyama on
    fwKS7.png?1
  • Options
    ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    It really doesn't matter what you call them. It's like when people use the term "sequential art" to describe comics; it's all the same thing, one term just gives you a bit more leeway to act like a pretentious douche.

    Zeromus on
    pygsig.png
  • Options
    HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I've always used Graphic Novel as a term for trade-oriented limiteds, where it's just a few issues that form a single novel, or a few thematically separate novels. Comic goes towards anything else.

    I think there is some legitimacy to the term, and I think that it isn't as overused as many people claim, or else we'd be hearing it even more, in reference to the super-hero films which are still considered "comic book" movies.

    HadjiQuest on
  • Options
    Toxic ToysToxic Toys Are you really taking my advice? Really?Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Zeromus wrote: »
    It really doesn't matter what you call them. It's like when people use the term "sequential art" to describe comics; it's all the same thing, one term just gives you a bit more leeway to act like a pretentious douche.

    "Sequential art"? That is way worse then the term Graphic Novel.

    Toxic Toys on
    3DS code: 2938-6074-2306, Nintendo Network ID: ToxicToys, PSN: zutto
  • Options
    ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Sure is, but that doesn't mean it's not used all the time to somehow legitimize comic books as art.

    Zeromus on
    pygsig.png
  • Options
    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I like to use the term "perusing sequential art" while wearing a top hat and sipping on imported tea with my pinky out for extra pretentiousness.

    Bloods End on
  • Options
    AlephAleph Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    To me, comic is the artform and graphic novel is just the medium it's in.

    Aleph on
  • Options
    Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of Kafiristan Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    it's an okay piece, but the end needs so much work.
    Too late.

    This is the perfect example of why you should start writing something a day before it is due.

    Penguin Incarnate on
  • Options
    Sars_BoySars_Boy Rest, You Are The Lightning. Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I have to write a story for my creative writing class tomorrow

    still have no idea what to write about

    Sars_Boy on
  • Options
    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    write about me

    The Lovely Bastard on
    7656367.jpg
  • Options
    Sars_BoySars_Boy Rest, You Are The Lightning. Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    oh man I should write about Charles Bronson

    Sars_Boy on
  • Options
    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    it is the only option

    The Lovely Bastard on
    7656367.jpg
  • Options
    ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    it's an okay piece, but the end needs so much work.
    Too late.

    This is the perfect example of why you should start writing something a day before it is due.

    And this, the perfect example of why you should proofread!

    Zeromus on
    pygsig.png
  • Options
    SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Basically the problem with it is that you're full of shit. Will Eisner originally coined the term for his book 'A Contract With God'. Your entire argument rests upon the fact that it was coined by some marketroid, and not one of the seminal comics creators, and is thus bad or undesirable.

    SageinaRage on
    sig.gif
  • Options
    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    sars have you written about charles bronson yet?

    The Lovely Bastard on
    7656367.jpg
  • Options
    ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I've always considered them two different things. A comic book is something about 10-20 pages long that's a short part in a long series. A graphic novel is self-contained, although it might be part of a series and it's usually around 100-200 pages in length. It never occurred to me that it was a marketing scheme, I figured one is long enough to be considered a novel while the other isn't. I've yet to see anything under novel-length billed as a graphic novel, but I don't visit comic shops very often.

    Zombiemambo on
    JKKaAGp.png
  • Options
    Sars_BoySars_Boy Rest, You Are The Lightning. Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    sars have you written about charles bronson yet?
    hahaha fuck no

    i'm pushing it to the limit

    i guess ill do another story with my internet detective character who is basically just Aaron Stack from Nextwave and HK-47 shhhhhh

    Sars_Boy on
  • Options
    Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of Kafiristan Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Basically the problem with it is that you're full of shit. Will Eisner originally coined the term for his book 'A Contract With God'. Your entire argument rests upon the fact that it was coined by some marketroid, and not one of the seminal comics creators, and is thus bad or undesirable.
    Except that any time a movie is marketed to the public, it's marketed as "Based on the graphic novel." Whether Eisner came up with it or not, it doesn't mean that it hasn't been co-opted and turned into something else.

    Penguin Incarnate on
  • Options
    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Sars_Boy wrote: »
    sars have you written about charles bronson yet?
    hahaha fuck no

    i'm pushing it to the limit

    i guess ill do another story with my internet detective character who is basically just Aaron Stack from Nextwave and HK-47 shhhhhh

    you are a loser and a scoundrel and are now my worst enemy

    The Lovely Bastard on
    7656367.jpg
  • Options
    Sars_BoySars_Boy Rest, You Are The Lightning. Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    why

    i never said I wouldn't work charles bronson in there somewhere

    i'll also do something with GG Allin because I watched Hated today

    Sars_Boy on
  • Options
    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    okay you are not my enemy anymore

    The Lovely Bastard on
    7656367.jpg
  • Options
    Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of Kafiristan Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    For a man that is famous for being a naked, insane bastard, GG Allin sure doesn't get enough exposure.

    Penguin Incarnate on
  • Options
    TravisLeggeTravisLegge Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    For a man that is famous for being a naked, insane bastard, GG Allin sure doesn't get enough exposure.

    G.G. Allin is what GWAR would be if they took themselves too seriously. Shocking, offensive, irrelevant, and lame.

    TravisLegge on
    www.aegisstudios.net
    Home to the Contagion Role-Playing Game! News about Corpus Christie and the Cape Girls.
  • Options
    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    there is nothing lame about GG Allin

    The Lovely Bastard on
    7656367.jpg
  • Options
    AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    there is nothing lame about GG Allin

    Except he was a fucking idiot with a small dick.

    Algertman on
  • Options
    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    algertman no

    The Lovely Bastard on
    7656367.jpg
  • Options
    Sars_BoySars_Boy Rest, You Are The Lightning. Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    well I mean

    his dick was pretty small

    Sars_Boy on
  • Options
    ZombieAsumaZombieAsuma Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    .....and once again comic book debate devolves into discussion of G.G. Allin's genitals. *sigh* When will it end?

    ZombieAsuma on
  • Options
    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    gg allin's donger should be brought up in every conversation

    The Lovely Bastard on
    7656367.jpg
  • Options
    ZombieAsumaZombieAsuma Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Perhaps you have a point there....that'll make work more interesting tomorrow.

    ZombieAsuma on
  • Options
    TravisLeggeTravisLegge Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    So is G.G. Allin's hwang a comic or graphic novel. I say comic...I mean, as many have pointed out it was kinda tiny. So is that the difference? Is it a size issue?

    TravisLegge on
    www.aegisstudios.net
    Home to the Contagion Role-Playing Game! News about Corpus Christie and the Cape Girls.
  • Options
    SalmonOfDoubtSalmonOfDoubt Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Perhaps you have a point there....that'll make work more interesting tomorrow.

    What the fuck is going on in your horribly mangled abortion of a sig

    SalmonOfDoubt on
    heavensidesig80.jpg
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    killing children would be hilarious
    Olivaw wrote: »
    HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE PENNY ARCADE FORUMS

    PLEASE ENJOY YOUR STAY

    AND THIS PENIS
    Man, I don't want to read about this lady's broken vagina.
    NotACrook wrote: »
    I am sitting here trying to come up with a tiered system for rating child molesters.
    cock vore is fuckin hilarious
Sign In or Register to comment.