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[Democratic Primaries]: The End of the Beginning

Irond WillIrond Will DragonmasterCambridge. MASuper Moderator, Moderator mod
edited May 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
Continue your primary talk here. Poll forthcoming.

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  • KiplingKipling Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.

    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.

    What other country would Native Americans be living in?

    There are still fairly large populations for some tribes. 250k Navajo, 300+k Cherokee. Of course, unless they run casinos or have favorable mineral rights in their reservation, they are generally dirt poor. It pretty depressing if you read up about some of it. There were diaries on DKos about a Native American women's shelter that they pretty much paid to keep going.

    I need to find that page again...

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.
    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.
    Really that number is depressingly low

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kipling wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.

    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.

    What other country would Native Americans be living in?
    ummm...Canada?

    edit: and the rest of the Americas?

    Sarksus wrote: »
    I'm gonna get a PhD in incest.
  • SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    "Barack Black Eagle" does have a nice ring to it.

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The comments in that store are near-youtube bad.

    Sarksus wrote: »
    I'm gonna get a PhD in incest.
  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Aurin wrote: »
    No more touching ever! Woo!
    Hopefully what's being reflected there is the start of the healing process.

    Takin' it to the limit!

    Did you just say... Everybody to the limit?

    Strong Bad is obviously Barack Obama. Fhqwhgads is clearly John McCain. The Cheet is... uh... John Edwards? David Axelrod?

    Right, right, substantive... uh...

    Jim Webb is supposedly going on Letterman tonight. I saw him on Meet the Press and he was pretty clear that he wasn't really down with the VP nod. Wonder what he'll have to say... I won't know, because I'm going to bed, dammit.

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  • KilroyKilroy Lil' Sami :3 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Kipling wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.

    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.

    What other country would Native Americans be living in?
    ummm...Canada?

    edit: and the rest of the Americas?

    Yeah, you know, most of the western hemisphere?

    Being part Native American myself, I think this is awesome. Seriously, it's almost making me tear up to think that a President might actually give a damn about the reservations.

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Kipling wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.

    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.

    What other country would Native Americans be living in?
    ummm...Canada?

    edit: and the rest of the Americas?

    Yeah, you know, the entire western hemisphere?

    Being part Native American myself, I think this is awesome. Seriously, it's almost making me tear up to think that a President might actually give a damn about the reservations.
    Western Hemisphere includes parts of Europe and Africa.

    Sarksus wrote: »
    I'm gonna get a PhD in incest.
  • SavantSavant Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I haven't been paying attention to Kentucky, so I don't know what the margins will be there. But I'm thinking that Obama's got at least a margin in the teens in Oregon.

  • KilroyKilroy Lil' Sami :3 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Western Hemisphere includes parts of Europe and Africa.

    I edited it just for you, Senj.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Webb is also doing quite the media blitz more so than your usual freshman Senator with a new book. Unless that Senator is famous for giving an awesome speech at the convention and is contemplating running for something national.

    I think Jim might be playing coy a little, though I'd prefer he not get the nomination for reasons of Virginia.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Kipling wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.

    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.

    What other country would Native Americans be living in?
    ummm...Canada?

    edit: and the rest of the Americas?

    Yeah, you know, the entire western hemisphere?

    Being part Native American myself, I think this is awesome. Seriously, it's almost making me tear up to think that a President might actually give a damn about the reservations.
    Western Hemisphere includes parts of Europe and Africa.

    Well, that's one way to escape.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    The rest of you, I fucking hate you for the fact that I now have a blue dot on this god awful thread.
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Savant wrote: »
    I haven't been paying attention to Kentucky, so I don't know what the margins will be there. But I'm thinking that Obama's got at least a margin in the teens in Oregon.

    Kentucky is West Virginia + Louisville.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Kipling wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.

    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.

    What other country would Native Americans be living in?
    ummm...Canada?

    edit: and the rest of the Americas?

    Yeah, you know, the entire western hemisphere?

    Being part Native American myself, I think this is awesome. Seriously, it's almost making me tear up to think that a President might actually give a damn about the reservations.
    Western Hemisphere includes parts of Europe and Africa.

    Damn meridian.


    I wonder if Paul Simon's influence on Dick Durbin and Dick Durbin's influence on Obama has anything to do with giving a damn for Indian Affairs.

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  • KilroyKilroy Lil' Sami :3 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Savant wrote: »
    I haven't been paying attention to Kentucky, so I don't know what the margins will be there. But I'm thinking that Obama's got at least a margin in the teens in Oregon.

    Kentucky is West Virginia + Louisville+Lexington.

  • SalSal Damnedest Little Fellow Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Will there be a poll of polls?

    Also,
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    This deserves to grace another page. It's just so beautiful.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Savant wrote: »
    I haven't been paying attention to Kentucky, so I don't know what the margins will be there. But I'm thinking that Obama's got at least a margin in the teens in Oregon.

    Kentucky is West Virginia + Louisville+Lexington.

    Oh right, damn.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Aurin wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Aurin wrote: »
    No more touching ever! Woo!
    Hopefully what's being reflected there is the start of the healing process.

    Takin' it to the limit!

    I really see those lines as a Mario Kart race... and Hillary is finally spinning off into oblivion. So we can get on with electing a Democratic candidate already and I can watch McCain flounder about.

    You just suggested the possibility of a blue shell.

    ASSHOLE.

    That was West Virginia.

    Obama slammed on the breaks as Hillary whizzed past.

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  • SavantSavant Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Savant wrote: »
    I haven't been paying attention to Kentucky, so I don't know what the margins will be there. But I'm thinking that Obama's got at least a margin in the teens in Oregon.

    Kentucky is West Virginia + Louisville+Lexington.

    Oh, I know it will be bad, but not how bad. Operation Chaos should be winding down a bit now.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    2:1 is a good guess.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • KilroyKilroy Lil' Sami :3 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Savant wrote: »
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Savant wrote: »
    I haven't been paying attention to Kentucky, so I don't know what the margins will be there. But I'm thinking that Obama's got at least a margin in the teens in Oregon.

    Kentucky is West Virginia + Louisville+Lexington.

    Oh, I know it will be bad, but not how bad. Operation Chaos should be winding down a bit now.

    There's also Paducah and Murray out here in the west end of the state. Paducah will probably split; there are lots of old people, but there's also a fairly large black population and a fair number of young, artsy liberals thanks to the city's Artist Relocation Program.

    Murray's a college town (and by college town, I mean a lot of college and not much town). Our campus group did a lot of work getting the word out, so we should have a decent turnout for Obama. Again though, there are a lot of old fucks who will vote for Hillary.

    And Republicans. The rural areas are swarming with Republicans.

  • LionLion Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Jerome Armstrong is a shill of the highest fucking order and I want to see him die politically. Supporting Clinton out of attrition my ass.
    As we have known for a long time, the Democratic delegate selection process is a travesty. Starting with the disenfranchising caucus system, which shuts out legions of voters from the process, to the unbalanced proportional system of awarding delegates by congressional district (which produces such perverse results like a candidate winning 60% of the vote in a district receiving the same amount of delegates and a different candidate receiving 60% of the delegates with a 50.1% of the vote in another district), to the overweighting of regions arbitrarily and haphazardly (for example, in Nevada rural district were overweighted, in Texas urban districts were overweighted), to awarding low turnout states disproportional representation to high turnout states, the entire system is a travesty of democracy.


    Let me put it bluntly, anyone holding up the pledged delegate count as representing the "will of the people" is simply full of it. It does not. It thwarts the will of the people. BY DESIGN.
    Sounds about right, especially now that 'pledged delegates' are switching sides.
    Jerome wrote:
    As I've said previously, the whole nomination is powered too much by process and not enough by people. ...this year it’s come back with full force, and people see how the mechanics of the process can really determine the outcome of the election."

    Source

    This is the dude that was saying how he was happy the Obama camp was playing up pledged delegates because that's where Hillary would nail him. Then it was the supers. Now it's the popular vote with Michigan and Florida counted with 0 votes for Obama and not counting any caucus state that doesn't provide official voting results. So on top of that, now the primary process isn't fair. Except guess who wanted this particular way of coming up with a Dem nominee and was on the DNC committee that does this shit. If you answered Terry McCauliffe, Harold Ickes, and Howard Wolfson, you are correct!

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Any of the votes, delegates, states, polls, or systems which detract from Hillary Clinton's ultimate coronation as the nominee are undemocratic and a travesty wrought by man. We should start it all over again and let the people truly decide. By voting again and again, until Hillary wins.

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  • LionLion Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Hillary Clinton wins in states she doesn't lose. Why can't Barack Obama win these states? /Blitzer

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  • ClevingerClevinger Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Lion wrote: »
    Hillary Clinton wins in states she doesn't lose. Why can't Barack Obama win these states? /Blitzer

    Not only does he have one of the most boring voices/ways of talking ever, but he's also incredibly stupid. Why does he have a two (or is it three?) hour show on CNN?

    "Next up uh on the uh Situation Room, we uh look into uh a story uh about uh..."

  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Clevinger wrote: »
    Lion wrote: »
    Hillary Clinton wins in states she doesn't lose. Why can't Barack Obama win these states? /Blitzer

    Not only does he have one of the most boring voices/ways of talking ever, but he's also incredibly stupid. Why does he have a two (or is it three?) hour show on CNN?

    "Next up uh on the uh Situation Room, we uh look into uh a story uh about uh..."

    Probably because Ted Turner finds Blitzer's beard to be so snuggly.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The bit about "Pledged Delegates switching sides" is rich. I seem to recall only one campaign saying they could do that...

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  • gtrmpgtrmp Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Aurin wrote: »
    No more touching ever! Woo!

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  • ElkiElki hegemon globalSuper Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited May 2008
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Continue your primary talk here. Poll forthcoming.

    I see you find that option. Congrats.

  • DelzhandDelzhand motivated battle programmerRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    God I hate this kind of poll. Let me see if I understand this:

    [ KY Obama over -25, OR Obama over +10 ]
    Means that Obama performs better than losing by 25 in Kentucky, and better than winning by 10 in Oregon?

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Delzhand wrote: »
    God I hate this kind of poll. Let me see if I understand this:

    [ KY Obama over -25, OR Obama over +10 ]
    Means that Obama performs better than losing by 25 in Kentucky, and better than winning by 10 in Oregon?


    Obama performs better than losing by 25 in Kentucky OR better than winning by 10 in Oregon

    Sarksus wrote: »
    I'm gonna get a PhD in incest.
  • real_pochaccoreal_pochacco Registered User
    edited May 2008
    what it do peeps, I dropped my ballot off at one of the boxes today, good times

    I didn't vote for the other stuff though, I feel lame but I didn't have time to research the candidates for senate or the propositions and such

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Delzhand wrote: »
    God I hate this kind of poll. Let me see if I understand this:

    [ KY Obama over -25, OR Obama over +10 ]
    Means that Obama performs better than losing by 25 in Kentucky, and better than winning by 10 in Oregon?


    Obama performs better than losing by 25 in Kentucky OR better than winning by 10 in Oregon

    Oh, I thought it meant the margin of defeat would be greater than a 25 point spread in her favour, and greater than a 10 point spread in his favour.

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  • SmasherSmasher Starting to get dizzy Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I don't think it'll be an issue again for the primaries, but wouldn't it make a lot more sense to say KY Clinton over/under +25?

  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Delzhand wrote: »
    God I hate this kind of poll. Let me see if I understand this:

    [ KY Obama over -25, OR Obama over +10 ]
    Means that Obama performs better than losing by 25 in Kentucky, and better than winning by 10 in Oregon?


    Obama performs better than losing by 25 in Kentucky OR better than winning by 10 in Oregon

    Oh, I thought it meant the margin of defeat would be greater than a 25 point spread in her favour, and greater than a 10 point spread in his favour.

    Same here.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Delzhand wrote: »
    God I hate this kind of poll. Let me see if I understand this:

    [ KY Obama over -25, OR Obama over +10 ]
    Means that Obama performs better than losing by 25 in Kentucky, and better than winning by 10 in Oregon?


    Obama performs better than losing by 25 in Kentucky OR better than winning by 10 in Oregon

    Oh, I thought it meant the margin of defeat would be greater than a 25 point spread in her favour, and greater than a 10 point spread in his favour.

    It means that Obama will overperform expectations in Kentucky (which Will calls 25 points down) and overperform expectations in Oregon (which Will calls a 10 point win).

    In other words, Delzhand was correct.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    And this is why Vegas took all my money.

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  • clownfoodclownfood packet pusher in the wallsRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I really hope Obama does better than a +10 point win in Oregon and a -25 point lose in Kentucky. I think an emphatic win reminiscent of North Carolina and a very narrow loss as in Indiana would really show how Hillary's campaign is running on fumes. A split just keeps Hillary around while she waits for the big win in Puerto Rico.

    If this was over with already, McCain's obvious campaign personnel issues would be getting a lot more air time.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Wonder why the younger generation is going liberal? It's all about the money.
    The two reports paint a picture of young workers who are faced with a combination of declining incomes, growing debt, high costs of education, homeownership and health care. In fact, say the reports' authors, this generation of young workers could be the first not to surpass the living standards of their parents.

    One key finding is that young workers understand the role of unions in building economic and political strength to make changes in public policies and the workplace. In the CAP study, young workers gave unions an average ranking of 60 on a 0-to-100 scale (with 0 indicating a negative view and 100 being a positive view), the second-highest level of support of any age group in the more than 40 years the question has been asked.


    * No matter what their level of education, incomes have declined for most young workers. The only young workers whose income rose between 1975 and 2005 were women with a college degree. Their incomes rose 10 percent, while incomes in all other education groups fell or remained stagnant.

    * Even though their wages are declining, young workers' debts are rising. The average college graduate has a nearly $20,000 debt; average credit card debt has increased 47 percent between 1989 and 2004 for 25- to 34-year-olds and 11 percent for 18- to 24-year olds.

    * Although more than half of women with a child under age one are in the labor force (up from 31 percent in 1976), public policy supports for young families are still lacking. Only 39 percent of women received paid maternity leave. Child care is expensive. Full-time care for a toddler ranges from $3,794 to $10,920 annually, while full-time care for an infant rages from $4,388 to $14,647 annually. In every region of the country, child care for two children exceeds the median rent and is as high or higher than the median monthly mortgage payment.

    * Not surprisingly, young workers are more likely to support universal health coverage than any age group in the 30 previous years the question has been asked, with 57 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds saying that health insurance should come from a government insurance plan.

    * Another 87 percent think the government should spend more money on health care even if a tax increase is required to pay for it, the highest level of support in the question’s 20-year history.

    * An overwhelming 95 percent think education spending should be increased even if a tax increase is required to pay for it, the highest level ever recorded on this question in the 20 years it has been asked.

    * And 61 percent say the government should provide more services, the most support of any age group in any of the previous 20 years the question has been asked.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Pat Buchanan just referred to Kentucky as a swing state and is demanding to know from Tom Daschle why Obama can't win that primary or West Virginia's.

    This is what I'm greeted with when I get home from work.

    EDIT: I spent part of the night trying to get some prospective nonvoters to a) vote, and b) vote Obama. I learned in that campaign session that "I think Obama could get shot" is very subtle code for "I'm a racist," because that is the direction the conversations, without exception, went when I tried to explain that Obama, by getting this far, has decided that that is a risk worth taking. (More specifically, the direction went to 'I don't think America's ready for a black President, nor will America in fact EVER be ready for a black President, or a female president for that matter.'

    I somehow managed to hear 'we're not ready for a female President' from a female coworker, too.

    Well, at least I helped deliver the primaries...

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