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[Democratic Primaries]: The End of the Beginning

Irond WillIrond Will DragonmasterCambridge. MASuper Moderator, Moderator mod
edited May 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
Continue your primary talk here. Poll forthcoming.

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  • Ethan SmithEthan Smith Origin name: Beart4to Arlington, VARegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Well I read the poll question wrong.
    Ignore the pessimist at the bottom.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    So, shall we start a discussion of who we want to be veep, then start a draft website, and start emailing delegates? Because there's a second vote at the convention, that being for veep.

    Good idea. Who has teh list again?

    Whatever. I'm telling Kennedy to float William Fallon.

    MTVCDM. And you'd probably want to wait until Kennedy isn't sober to try and impress ideas on him. Right now he's just taking a few pills in a hospital bed. Dude might as well be at Betty Ford.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Jragghen wrote: »
    So, shall we start a discussion of who we want to be veep, then start a draft website, and start emailing delegates? Because there's a second vote at the convention, that being for veep.

    I'm down for trying to come up with who we think would be the best fit, but more as a guessing game than as actually trying to sell it. Obama's savvy enough to make the right choice, if for no reason than the fact he'll have vastly better information.

    I think we can all likely discount Clinton, because she's crossed the line in terms of what you can say and still get on the ticket. And maybe it's just lingering bitterness, but I'm not happy about the idea of a Clinton surrogate either, I think this administration is going to need to function like a well oiled machine and internal politicing for the next 8 years isn't worth the boost now.

  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    So, shall we start a discussion of who we want to be veep, then start a draft website, and start emailing delegates? Because there's a second vote at the convention, that being for veep.

    Good idea. Who has teh list again?

    Whatever. I'm telling Kennedy to float William Fallon.

    MTVCDM. And you'd probably want to wait until Kennedy isn't sober to try and impress ideas on him. Right now he's just taking a few pills in a hospital bed. Dude might as well be at Betty Ford.

    Yeah, but Frank's endorsed Clinton.

    Would it be in bad taste to say he's gay for Hillary?

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Scalfin wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    So, shall we start a discussion of who we want to be veep, then start a draft website, and start emailing delegates? Because there's a second vote at the convention, that being for veep.

    Good idea. Who has teh list again?

    Whatever. I'm telling Kennedy to float William Fallon.

    MTVCDM. And you'd probably want to wait until Kennedy isn't sober to try and impress ideas on him. Right now he's just taking a few pills in a hospital bed. Dude might as well be at Betty Ford.

    Yeah, but Frank's endorsed Clinton.

    Would it be in bad taste to say he's gay for Hillary?

    Most gays are gay for Hillary. Which doesn't make any sense given DADT and DOMA. Is she the political equivalent to a fag hag?

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  • Bad KittyBad Kitty Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Fuck yes, optimism!

  • deowolfdeowolf Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Scalfin wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    So, shall we start a discussion of who we want to be veep, then start a draft website, and start emailing delegates? Because there's a second vote at the convention, that being for veep.

    Good idea. Who has teh list again?

    Whatever. I'm telling Kennedy to float William Fallon.

    MTVCDM. And you'd probably want to wait until Kennedy isn't sober to try and impress ideas on him. Right now he's just taking a few pills in a hospital bed. Dude might as well be at Betty Ford.

    Yeah, but Frank's endorsed Clinton.

    Would it be in bad taste to say he's gay for Hillary?

    It took me two minutes to figure out what you were saying here. Bravo.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.

    When he dies, I hope they write "Worst Affirmative Action Hire, EVER" on his grave. His corpse should be trolled.
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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I wonder if there will be any Clinton water carriers on the Sunday talk show circuit June 1st after the Rules and Bylaws committee make their decision. And if there are, if they'll say anything beyond just repeating 'let's let the last two contests make their voices heard.'

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.

    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.

    He's a Crow :D Back in Indian Guides, our tribe was the Crow.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    So, shall we start a discussion of who we want to be veep, then start a draft website, and start emailing delegates? Because there's a second vote at the convention, that being for veep.

    Good idea. Who has teh list again?

    Whatever. I'm telling Kennedy to float William Fallon.

    MTVCDM. And you'd probably want to wait until Kennedy isn't sober to try and impress ideas on him. Right now he's just taking a few pills in a hospital bed. Dude might as well be at Betty Ford.

    Yeah, but Frank's endorsed Clinton.

    Would it be in bad taste to say he's gay for Hillary?

    Most gays are gay for Hillary. Which doesn't make any sense given DADT and DOMA. Is she the political equivalent to a fag hag?

    She's not a woman.
    Haven't you heard: she has three balls.

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Scalfin wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    So, shall we start a discussion of who we want to be veep, then start a draft website, and start emailing delegates? Because there's a second vote at the convention, that being for veep.

    Good idea. Who has teh list again?

    Whatever. I'm telling Kennedy to float William Fallon.

    MTVCDM. And you'd probably want to wait until Kennedy isn't sober to try and impress ideas on him. Right now he's just taking a few pills in a hospital bed. Dude might as well be at Betty Ford.

    Yeah, but Frank's endorsed Clinton.

    Would it be in bad taste to say he's gay for Hillary?

    Most gays are gay for Hillary. Which doesn't make any sense given DADT and DOMA. Is she the political equivalent to a fag hag?

    She's not a woman.
    Haven't you heard: she has three balls.

    Now why would he say something like that? To fire up the feministas for one last gasp?

    EDIT: Ferraro just got her own digs in.

  • KiplingKipling Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.

    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.

    What other country would Native Americans be living in?

    There are still fairly large populations for some tribes. 250k Navajo, 300+k Cherokee. Of course, unless they run casinos or have favorable mineral rights in their reservation, they are generally dirt poor. It pretty depressing if you read up about some of it. There were diaries on DKos about a Native American women's shelter that they pretty much paid to keep going.

    I need to find that page again...

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.
    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.
    Really that number is depressingly low

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kipling wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.

    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.

    What other country would Native Americans be living in?
    ummm...Canada?

    edit: and the rest of the Americas?

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  • SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    "Barack Black Eagle" does have a nice ring to it.

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The comments in that store are near-youtube bad.

    Sarksus wrote: »
    I'm gonna get a PhD in incest.
  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Aurin wrote: »
    No more touching ever! Woo!
    Hopefully what's being reflected there is the start of the healing process.

    Takin' it to the limit!

    Did you just say... Everybody to the limit?

    Strong Bad is obviously Barack Obama. Fhqwhgads is clearly John McCain. The Cheet is... uh... John Edwards? David Axelrod?

    Right, right, substantive... uh...

    Jim Webb is supposedly going on Letterman tonight. I saw him on Meet the Press and he was pretty clear that he wasn't really down with the VP nod. Wonder what he'll have to say... I won't know, because I'm going to bed, dammit.

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  • KilroyKilroy Lil' Sami :3 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Kipling wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.

    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.

    What other country would Native Americans be living in?
    ummm...Canada?

    edit: and the rest of the Americas?

    Yeah, you know, most of the western hemisphere?

    Being part Native American myself, I think this is awesome. Seriously, it's almost making me tear up to think that a President might actually give a damn about the reservations.

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu fiddy too Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Kipling wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.

    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.

    What other country would Native Americans be living in?
    ummm...Canada?

    edit: and the rest of the Americas?

    Yeah, you know, the entire western hemisphere?

    Being part Native American myself, I think this is awesome. Seriously, it's almost making me tear up to think that a President might actually give a damn about the reservations.
    Western Hemisphere includes parts of Europe and Africa.

    Sarksus wrote: »
    I'm gonna get a PhD in incest.
  • SavantSavant Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I haven't been paying attention to Kentucky, so I don't know what the margins will be there. But I'm thinking that Obama's got at least a margin in the teens in Oregon.

  • KilroyKilroy Lil' Sami :3 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Western Hemisphere includes parts of Europe and Africa.

    I edited it just for you, Senj.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Webb is also doing quite the media blitz more so than your usual freshman Senator with a new book. Unless that Senator is famous for giving an awesome speech at the convention and is contemplating running for something national.

    I think Jim might be playing coy a little, though I'd prefer he not get the nomination for reasons of Virginia.

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    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Kipling wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.

    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.

    What other country would Native Americans be living in?
    ummm...Canada?

    edit: and the rest of the Americas?

    Yeah, you know, the entire western hemisphere?

    Being part Native American myself, I think this is awesome. Seriously, it's almost making me tear up to think that a President might actually give a damn about the reservations.
    Western Hemisphere includes parts of Europe and Africa.

    Well, that's one way to escape.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Savant wrote: »
    I haven't been paying attention to Kentucky, so I don't know what the margins will be there. But I'm thinking that Obama's got at least a margin in the teens in Oregon.

    Kentucky is West Virginia + Louisville.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Kipling wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Obama is down with Native Americans: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/19/obama_adopted_into_crow_nation.html . Also, he has a rad new Indian name.
    Obama addressed some issues of serious concern not only to the 12,100-member Crow Nation but to many Native American tribes around the country.

    I had no idea there were that many Natives still living here.

    What other country would Native Americans be living in?
    ummm...Canada?

    edit: and the rest of the Americas?

    Yeah, you know, the entire western hemisphere?

    Being part Native American myself, I think this is awesome. Seriously, it's almost making me tear up to think that a President might actually give a damn about the reservations.
    Western Hemisphere includes parts of Europe and Africa.

    Damn meridian.


    I wonder if Paul Simon's influence on Dick Durbin and Dick Durbin's influence on Obama has anything to do with giving a damn for Indian Affairs.

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  • KilroyKilroy Lil' Sami :3 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Savant wrote: »
    I haven't been paying attention to Kentucky, so I don't know what the margins will be there. But I'm thinking that Obama's got at least a margin in the teens in Oregon.

    Kentucky is West Virginia + Louisville+Lexington.

  • SalSal Damnedest Little Fellow Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Will there be a poll of polls?

    Also,
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    This deserves to grace another page. It's just so beautiful.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Savant wrote: »
    I haven't been paying attention to Kentucky, so I don't know what the margins will be there. But I'm thinking that Obama's got at least a margin in the teens in Oregon.

    Kentucky is West Virginia + Louisville+Lexington.

    Oh right, damn.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Aurin wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Aurin wrote: »
    No more touching ever! Woo!
    Hopefully what's being reflected there is the start of the healing process.

    Takin' it to the limit!

    I really see those lines as a Mario Kart race... and Hillary is finally spinning off into oblivion. So we can get on with electing a Democratic candidate already and I can watch McCain flounder about.

    You just suggested the possibility of a blue shell.

    ASSHOLE.

    That was West Virginia.

    Obama slammed on the breaks as Hillary whizzed past.

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  • SavantSavant Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Savant wrote: »
    I haven't been paying attention to Kentucky, so I don't know what the margins will be there. But I'm thinking that Obama's got at least a margin in the teens in Oregon.

    Kentucky is West Virginia + Louisville+Lexington.

    Oh, I know it will be bad, but not how bad. Operation Chaos should be winding down a bit now.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    2:1 is a good guess.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • KilroyKilroy Lil' Sami :3 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Savant wrote: »
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Savant wrote: »
    I haven't been paying attention to Kentucky, so I don't know what the margins will be there. But I'm thinking that Obama's got at least a margin in the teens in Oregon.

    Kentucky is West Virginia + Louisville+Lexington.

    Oh, I know it will be bad, but not how bad. Operation Chaos should be winding down a bit now.

    There's also Paducah and Murray out here in the west end of the state. Paducah will probably split; there are lots of old people, but there's also a fairly large black population and a fair number of young, artsy liberals thanks to the city's Artist Relocation Program.

    Murray's a college town (and by college town, I mean a lot of college and not much town). Our campus group did a lot of work getting the word out, so we should have a decent turnout for Obama. Again though, there are a lot of old fucks who will vote for Hillary.

    And Republicans. The rural areas are swarming with Republicans.

  • LionLion Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Jerome Armstrong is a shill of the highest fucking order and I want to see him die politically. Supporting Clinton out of attrition my ass.
    As we have known for a long time, the Democratic delegate selection process is a travesty. Starting with the disenfranchising caucus system, which shuts out legions of voters from the process, to the unbalanced proportional system of awarding delegates by congressional district (which produces such perverse results like a candidate winning 60% of the vote in a district receiving the same amount of delegates and a different candidate receiving 60% of the delegates with a 50.1% of the vote in another district), to the overweighting of regions arbitrarily and haphazardly (for example, in Nevada rural district were overweighted, in Texas urban districts were overweighted), to awarding low turnout states disproportional representation to high turnout states, the entire system is a travesty of democracy.


    Let me put it bluntly, anyone holding up the pledged delegate count as representing the "will of the people" is simply full of it. It does not. It thwarts the will of the people. BY DESIGN.
    Sounds about right, especially now that 'pledged delegates' are switching sides.
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    As I've said previously, the whole nomination is powered too much by process and not enough by people. ...this year it’s come back with full force, and people see how the mechanics of the process can really determine the outcome of the election."

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    This is the dude that was saying how he was happy the Obama camp was playing up pledged delegates because that's where Hillary would nail him. Then it was the supers. Now it's the popular vote with Michigan and Florida counted with 0 votes for Obama and not counting any caucus state that doesn't provide official voting results. So on top of that, now the primary process isn't fair. Except guess who wanted this particular way of coming up with a Dem nominee and was on the DNC committee that does this shit. If you answered Terry McCauliffe, Harold Ickes, and Howard Wolfson, you are correct!

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Any of the votes, delegates, states, polls, or systems which detract from Hillary Clinton's ultimate coronation as the nominee are undemocratic and a travesty wrought by man. We should start it all over again and let the people truly decide. By voting again and again, until Hillary wins.

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  • LionLion Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Hillary Clinton wins in states she doesn't lose. Why can't Barack Obama win these states? /Blitzer

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  • ClevingerClevinger Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Lion wrote: »
    Hillary Clinton wins in states she doesn't lose. Why can't Barack Obama win these states? /Blitzer

    Not only does he have one of the most boring voices/ways of talking ever, but he's also incredibly stupid. Why does he have a two (or is it three?) hour show on CNN?

    "Next up uh on the uh Situation Room, we uh look into uh a story uh about uh..."

  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Clevinger wrote: »
    Lion wrote: »
    Hillary Clinton wins in states she doesn't lose. Why can't Barack Obama win these states? /Blitzer

    Not only does he have one of the most boring voices/ways of talking ever, but he's also incredibly stupid. Why does he have a two (or is it three?) hour show on CNN?

    "Next up uh on the uh Situation Room, we uh look into uh a story uh about uh..."

    Probably because Ted Turner finds Blitzer's beard to be so snuggly.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The bit about "Pledged Delegates switching sides" is rich. I seem to recall only one campaign saying they could do that...

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