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The Petabyte Age: The End of Theory & the (exponential) advancement of Science
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I think you're giving that program a bit too much credit, its just creating a program which remembers what ran well on previous ASIC hardware and can stitch together code segments to perform processes in the optimum time based on that. It's just another tool for searching a database.
If you fail to see the links between seemingly disparate fields of inquiry, then that's ok. But not being open to exploring new possibilities is what creationists want. And you're not one of those are you?
Ignoring that this has little to do with the thread’s original topic, there is a vast difference between telling a computer to record the speed at which different code runs and creating a computer that behaves like a human. Emergent data patterns are not that close to emergent intelligence.
But these compilers are self optimising to do tasks that are defined by users using code which is prepared by users. The compiler can assemble it into a more optimised form by trial and error and by consulting its "how things work database" but it can't try a unique and new way, nor can it conceive of new tasks and operations to carry out. Consulting databases is easy, and better human written code languages which are more object orientated of course allow computers to assemble code together more flexibly, but all it really is doing is consulting a database.
The steps towards an AI would involve developing a computer which could think in an innovative fashion, and decide on new tasks that it found interesting. This program is just like the chess playing AI's, people thought that they were steps towards a real AI, but in fact all they were were steps towards a complete understanding of chess. When the system optimises itself in the same way a human would, then we are on our way.
"I don't mean to alarm you, but we've made a machine that can think" is probably the relevant quote here, about your chess and your thinking. If you define intelligence as being able to play chess, those machines are certainly smart as hell. I think that people saying things like 'hold on its thinking' of computers is really telling too, but if we want to talk about the Chinese room, maybe that could be its own thread.
Typically, what the public thinks of as AI and what AI researchers do all day are very different. Most of us aren't trying to create brains, though we wish we could. Lots of people work in search, and are trying to do work on optimization problems. Some folks work in planning. Others write theorem provers. Some people like tooling around with robots, but very few people (maybe just Minsky?) are trying to make a brain. I guess what I'm saying here is that I take issues with the term 'real AI'. Real AI is what optimizes UPS routes to include fewer left turns and what decides which research tasks happen first on the mars rover. Thats whats real, or at least what is done.
Now, I think the problem most people are going to bring up with AI as a researcher is the inability to be creative, in so far as it applies to making relevant hypothesis. If we have a language with which we can describe the world, even if there are an infinite number of statements, we could just set a machine away on it, and ask it to prove or disprove everything it can state. So, proving things doesn't require creativity or insight... prioritizing your efforts takes both.
That being said, even if machines can't be made to self evolve into scientific super-minds, they do take care of a lot of the crap we'd otherwise have to do by hand, and in that capacity more computing resources, better tools to run on them, and better models for using both have already been snowballing, and should continue to.
Also perhaps the thread title is a bit too strongly worded, but consider that the scientific method is built on tools of thought and logic, and that as we augment and extend those tools, we may end up changing the whole process beyond that which we recognize as 'the method' today; just as relativity and the laws of motion complement each other.
Also, take a look at the links I posted on the last page.
Like remembering where your keys are by thinking of the beer you drank last night?
No.
For all the credit Aristotle gets, he probably held science back for at least a century.
Being a scifi geek this thread interests me greatly. Singularity stuff makes for great fiction.
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RAPTURE TAKE PLACE
BEFORE OR AFTER THE ANTI-CHRIST COMES ON EARTH???
FIRST OF ALL THERE WILL BE MORE THAN ONE
ANTI-CHRIST THAT PEOPLE ON EARTH WILL
HAVE TO DEAL WITH!
THE BIBLE LETS US KNOW THERE WILL BE
MANY ANTI-CHRIST IN:
MATTHEW 24: 4 - 5
& MATTHEW 24: 23 - 24.
AND I THINK THERE WILL BE AT LEAST THREE MAJOR ANTI-CHRIST BECAUSE EACH ONE OF THEM WILL
TRY TO COPY-CAT A PART OF THE TRINITY!
IN OTHER WORDS, ONE ANTI-CHRIST WILL
TRY TO COPY-CAT AND BE (GOD-THE FATHER)!
AND ONE ANTI-CHRIST WILL TRY TO COPY-CAT
AND BE (GOD-THE SON)!
AND I ASSURE YOU THAT THIS ONE IS
BARACK OBAMA!!
AND I CAN PROVE IT IN THE BIBLE!!
AND THE THIRD MAJOR ANTI-CHRIST
WILL TRY TO COPY-CAT AND BE
(GOD-THE HOLY SPIRIT)!
NOW THE ONE THAT TRIES TO COPY-CAT
GOD THE FATHER WILL SIT IN THE TEMPLE
OF GOD AS IF HE REALLY IS GOD!
*2THESSALONIANS 2: 3 - 4!
AND MANY MANY PEOPLE WILL FALL FOR HIM! ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OIL IN THEIR LAMP!
*MATTHEW 25: 1 - 13!
NOW THE BIBLE LETS US KNOW THAT NO MAN KNOWS
THE DAY OR THE HOUR THAT JESUS WILL
COME BACK!!
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THE RAPTURE
WILL NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL THE ANTI-CHRIST
THAT WILL SIT IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD AS IF HE
IS GOD GETS REVEALED TO THE SAINTS!
*2THESSALONIANS 2:3
AND SO FAR THIS PARTICULAR
ANTI-CHRIST HAS NOT BEEN REVEALED
TO ME OR ANY OTHER OF THE
THE SAINTS YET AS FAR AS I KNOW OF AND NEITHER HAVE I HEARD OF AN
ANTI-CHRIST YET SO FAR THAT HAS
ALREADY SAT IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD AS IF HE REALLY IS GOD!
SO THE RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE AFTER THIS PARTICULAR ANTI-CHRIST IS
REVEALED!
SINCE GOD IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS
BIG ENOUGH, BAD ENOUGH, BOLD ENOUGH
AND BOSSY ENOUGH TO BEAT OR DESTROY THE ANTI-CHRIST (BARACK OBAMA), THEREFORE:
THE ONLY ONLY SOLUTION TO
OUR ANTI-CHRIST PROBLEM:
WE MUST FIND GOD, COME TO GOD, GET WITH GOD, RECEIVE GOD, STAY WITH GOD, KEEP GOD, HOLD ON TO GOD & STICK WITH GOD!
BECAUSE GOD SO LOVED THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON AND WHOSO-EVER BELIEVETH IN HIM AND WHOSO-EVER SERVES HIM TO THE FULLEST AND
WHOSO-EVER KEEPS ALL TEN OF HIS COMMANDMENTS AND WHOSO-EVER LOVES HIS NEIGHBOR AS HIS SELF, SHALL NOT PERISH!!
NO MATTER HOW MANY ANTI-CHRIST SHALL COME ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!!!!!!
BECAUSE INSTEAD OF PERISHING AND INSTEAD OF GOD LETTING YOU PERISH, GOD WILL GIVE YOU EVERLASTING LIFE!!!!
FROM: Mister Truthful
EMAIL: owens_ruben@yahoo.com
P.S. PLEASE EMAIL ME:
SO THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS
ABOUT THE END TIME, THE WARS, THE
RAPTURE, THE BEAST OR THE ANTI-
CHRIST OR THE NEW BABYLON OR
HELL OR THE TRIBULATION OR THE
EARTHQUAKES OR THE MARK
OF THE BEAST!
BECAUSE THESE ARE THE
THINGS THAT I HAVE STUDIED
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Okay, yeah, that's pretty goddamn awesome.
I thought it was in vogue for to shit on Aristotle these days, actually.
He is inextricable from the march of history. He is also one of the singularly great figures in intellectual history. He got stuff wrong, yes. But there is an enormous wealth of stuff that came from him that is incredibly original dealing with a vast array of subjects.