I was talking to a gay friend about this yesterday lunchtime, he assured me that some gays actually like tits on a guy. Anyway, more and more men seem to be having these, I noticed it especially this summer; is it in part due to the emasculation of men, we're objectified in adverts, and made confused by the new aggressive breed of girl. Or is it something else?
I think men developing breasts has more to do with the percentage of men that are big fat-asses, as opposed to being emasculated by the media and aggresive women. That's just my opinion, of course.
I was talking to a gay friend about this yesterday lunchtime, he assured me that some gays actually like tits on a guy. Anyway, more and more men seem to be having these, I noticed it especially this summer; is it in part due to the emasculation of men, we're objectified in adverts, and made confused by the new aggressive breed of girl. Or is it something else?
I am made confused by your penultimate sentence. What the hell does "is it in part due to the emasculation of men, we're objectified in adverts, and made confused by the new aggressive breed of girl" mean?
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I'm pretty sure that 99.999995% of big-breasted men are that way as a natural consequence of their unhealthy body composition. Perhaps there is an infinitesimal subgroup of men who intentionally gain weight to have breasts as a result of their social and sexual outlooks. This group is, I expect, tiny.
...we're objectified in adverts, and made confused by the new aggressive breed of girl.
I have not knowingly been in any adverts, exploitative or otherwise, and my life is almost discouragingly free of a new, aggressive breed of girl. I assume you get those by crossing a regular, demure girl with a... jackal, or something? I didn't do well in biology.
Well, the OP is a bit o_O-inducing, but "feminization of men by aggressive women" aside, it might not be totally implausible for men to have a greater prevalence of female traits. Scientists have found in a bunch of places that there are elevated levels of estrogen in groundwater. A story from MSNBC on Colorado water. This is a paper on analysis of estrogen levels in the Thames. Anyway, I don't know if there's a clear cause-and-effect relationship. The second article cites observations like "decline of sperm count in men," which may or may not be real. I guess the most solid thing so far is this:
Nevertheless, it has been shown that male fish held in cages exposed to sewage effluent undergo feminisation effects, and indeed that rivers which receive significant amounts of sewage effluent contain numbers of “intersex” (part male, part female) fish.
Anyway, the presence of estrogen in sewage due to women on birth control pills is currently fairly widely accepted. As for any impact on men, that really remains to be seen.
What the hell does "is it in part due to the emasculation of men, we're objectified in adverts, and made confused by the new aggressive breed of girl" mean?
It means he wants male gender roles to be more like the 1950s of his imagination, where men are men and women know their damn place.
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Well, the OP is a bit o_O-inducing, but "feminization of men by aggressive women" aside, it might not be totally implausible for men to have a greater prevalence of female traits. Scientists have found in a bunch of places that there are elevated levels of estrogen in groundwater. A story from MSNBC on Colorado water. This is a paper on analysis of estrogen levels in the Thames. Anyway, I don't know if there's a clear cause-and-effect relationship. The second article cites observations like "decline of sperm count in men," which may or may not be real. I guess the most solid thing so far is this:
Nevertheless, it has been shown that male fish held in cages exposed to sewage effluent undergo feminisation effects, and indeed that rivers which receive significant amounts of sewage effluent contain numbers of “intersex” (part male, part female) fish.
Anyway, the presence of estrogen in sewage due to women on birth control pills is currently fairly widely accepted. As for any impact on men, that really remains to be seen.
Yeah, y'know, if we're going to look for goats to scape over The Moob Epidemic!* I would probably guess that bad diet and sedentary lifestyles might have a little bit more to do with it than trace amounts of xenoestrogens.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Well, the OP is a bit o_O-inducing, but "feminization of men by aggressive women" aside, it might not be totally implausible for men to have a greater prevalence of female traits. Scientists have found in a bunch of places that there are elevated levels of estrogen in groundwater. A story from MSNBC on Colorado water. This is a paper on analysis of estrogen levels in the Thames. Anyway, I don't know if there's a clear cause-and-effect relationship. The second article cites observations like "decline of sperm count in men," which may or may not be real. I guess the most solid thing so far is this:
Nevertheless, it has been shown that male fish held in cages exposed to sewage effluent undergo feminisation effects, and indeed that rivers which receive significant amounts of sewage effluent contain numbers of “intersex†(part male, part female) fish.
Anyway, the presence of estrogen in sewage due to women on birth control pills is currently fairly widely accepted. As for any impact on men, that really remains to be seen.
Yeah, y'know, if we're going to look for goats to scape over The Moob Epidemic!* I would probably guess that bad diet and sedentary lifestyles might have a little bit more to do with it than trace amounts of xenoestrogens.
* - Band name!
Well, I'm pretty skeptical about this "Moob epidemic" myself since I see no evidence of it. But, assuming for a minute that it does exist, for one to conclude that diet has more to do with it than exogenous hormones, it would have to tightly correlate with obesity. Since we have no data on the prevalence of moobs, much less how well it correlates with obesity, we can't really say anything about the most likely cause. But if the data on sperm count decline and stuff is real, then that points to a hormonal basis. Now of course the change in hormone balance in men could be due to global changes in eating habits as well, or chemicals used in the production/processing of food. I didn't say that estrogen in sewage is the de facto cause of moobs, nor did I say that estrogen in sewage due to birth control pills means that all birth control pills should be banned or anything. I don't think that discussing possible causes is the same as scapegoating :P
This is interesting: Daylight makes you manly. Maybe we're getting more girly men because they're always in their rooms, jacking off to porn or playing MMOs.
The introduction to that Thames paper talks about "decline of sperm counts in adult males, the increasing incidence of breast cancer and testicular cancer, and the decline in the age at which the onset of puberty occurs" but only provides one source, which is not available online. Phooey.
This is interesting: Daylight makes you manly. Maybe we're getting more girly men because they're always in their rooms, jacking off to porn or playing MMOs.
I dunno the daylight thing doesn't explain guidos.
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This is interesting: Daylight makes you manly. Maybe we're getting more girly men because they're always in their rooms, jacking off to porn or playing MMOs.
Don't forget drinking utterly unhealthy amounts of Mountain Dew!
This is interesting: Daylight makes you manly. Maybe we're getting more girly men because they're always in their rooms, jacking off to porn or playing MMOs.
I dunno the daylight thing doesn't explain guidos.
To be fair, guidos become guidos in tanning booths as opposed to actual daylight.
This is interesting: Daylight makes you manly. Maybe we're getting more girly men because they're always in their rooms, jacking off to porn or playing MMOs.
I dunno the daylight thing doesn't explain guidos.
To be fair, guidos become guidos in tanning booths as opposed to actual daylight.
There is that, but they don't spend their times in dark rooms other then that, I mean they are always outside in muscle shirts.
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I am made confused by your penultimate sentence. What the hell does "is it in part due to the emasculation of men, we're objectified in adverts, and made confused by the new aggressive breed of girl" mean?
This applies to everything.
Moobs
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and regular people walk like this
I went to GenCon Indy last weekend and people actually waddled it was hilarious
But otherwise this thread is so teh sillay.
Anyway, the presence of estrogen in sewage due to women on birth control pills is currently fairly widely accepted. As for any impact on men, that really remains to be seen.
It means he wants male gender roles to be more like the 1950s of his imagination, where men are men and women know their damn place.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Yeah, y'know, if we're going to look for goats to scape over The Moob Epidemic!* I would probably guess that bad diet and sedentary lifestyles might have a little bit more to do with it than trace amounts of xenoestrogens.
* - Band name!
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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Ah paradigm shift.
Seriously the crux of this entire issue is, "Not everyone looks the same and some people like the way that other people look".
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
It's been like an hour and with no update I still have no idea what he's actually talking about. Does he mean men with implants?
Well, I'm pretty skeptical about this "Moob epidemic" myself since I see no evidence of it. But, assuming for a minute that it does exist, for one to conclude that diet has more to do with it than exogenous hormones, it would have to tightly correlate with obesity. Since we have no data on the prevalence of moobs, much less how well it correlates with obesity, we can't really say anything about the most likely cause. But if the data on sperm count decline and stuff is real, then that points to a hormonal basis. Now of course the change in hormone balance in men could be due to global changes in eating habits as well, or chemicals used in the production/processing of food. I didn't say that estrogen in sewage is the de facto cause of moobs, nor did I say that estrogen in sewage due to birth control pills means that all birth control pills should be banned or anything. I don't think that discussing possible causes is the same as scapegoating :P
Yeah, see, that's what I think he was actually referring to. The marine down the street from me has moobs, but he could also kill me with one punch.
I haven't looked at the data on sperm count decline, but sperm count is affected by obesity and lack of exercise, too. (As well as stress.)
I'm not discounting the effects of environmental xenoestrogens. I'm skeptical, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were a minor contributing factor.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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I dunno the daylight thing doesn't explain guidos.
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Don't forget drinking utterly unhealthy amounts of Mountain Dew!
There is that, but they don't spend their times in dark rooms other then that, I mean they are always outside in muscle shirts.
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