But fiction is often based on elements of non fiction. To assume all non fiction is written by someone who is disconnected from a truth is... i dunno, bad?
Is this in response to me?
yes
What did I say to imply that "all non fiction is written by someone who is disconnected from a truth?"
when you said that fiction was more efficient than non fiction, implying that a fiction author was more disconnected from a truth than a non fiction one.
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Flew away in a balloon
Had sex with polar bears
While sitting in a reclining chair
Now there are Zim-Bear hybrids
Running around and clawing eyelids
Watch out, a Zim-Bear is about to have sex with yooooooou!
when you said that fiction was more efficient than non fiction, implying that a fiction author was more disconnected from a truth than a non fiction one.
Disconnected? No. Simply that a fiction author needs to spend space establishing character and describing scenes and communicating elements of plot and action; consequently some of that space is not used to flesh out the ideas being discussed.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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when you said that fiction was more efficient than non fiction, implying that a fiction author was more disconnected from a truth than a non fiction one.
Disconnected? No. Simply that a fiction author needs to spend space establishing character and describing scenes and communicating elements of plot and action; consequently some of that space is not used to flesh out the ideas being discussed.
They do? I don't think that's true at all. A non fiction writer that focuses on that stuff less will produce inferior work.
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Well shit.
Anyway.
Passerbye, the idea is, even if someone is making it personal, don't take anything personal. D&D regulars are a pretty abrasive bunch so mocking people is pretty much our way of bonding. :P
Disconnected? No. Simply that a fiction author needs to spend space establishing character and describing scenes and communicating elements of plot and action; consequently some of that space is not used to flesh out the ideas being discussed.
But couldn't these characters and scenes and plot and action all flesh out the ideas being discussed in their own unique way?
A non fiction writer that focuses on that stuff less will produce inferior work.
Okay, now I'm really confused.
A non-fiction writer that focuses on plot and characterization less? A non-fiction writer doesn't necessarily need to focus on plot or characterization at all. Are we talking about the same things?
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Don't try to teach people that faith is bunk. That way lies only more pain, anger, and resentment. Teach them that faith can mean something different, something freeing and inclusive and malleable.
That is how you win hearts and minds.
Sorry for being late on the response to this (I was frantically trying to get a report out).
Just what can faith mean, Zimmy? I'm honestly curious. Faith to me is an empty concept. It is devoid of worth to society.
From my perspective, you're advocating that I lie to people's faces about faith in order that they don't outright reject my viewpoint. Is that what you're saying?
Faith doesn't have to refer to religious belief, you can have "faith" in a person or group of people to do the right thing, or in an optimistic belief to be proven right in the end. This particular definition may be closer to "trust," but I tend to think of trust as being earned whereas faith is offered. It's you taking the first step, placing responsibility in the hands of the other person to validate your belief that, when push comes to shove, they'll do the right thing.
That's the kind of faith you need to have: that when the chips are down, even if you disagree with someone you're still willing to believe that they're capable of putting their biases aside to serve a higher purpose. Sure, sometimes that faith won't be justified, and your hand of friendship will be slapped away. But that doesn't mean you stop, doesn't mean you become cynical and certainly doesn't mean you were wrong to make the first offer.
It's not easy, and it can be frustrating when people don't live up to your expectations, but naked cynicism never amounts to much of anything.
Ah. But see, that's equivocating.
If I'm talking to a religious person and I say "Faith is important to me, too" and I start talking about putting biases aside and believing in the goodness of people, I've just ceased talking about the very thing under discussion.
I am now not talking about their "Faith" in God. I'm talking about a looser, broader faith that is not "Belief in spite of logic or evidence."
Passerbye, the idea is, even if someone is making it personal, don't take anything personal. D&D regulars are a pretty abrasive bunch so mocking people is pretty much our way of bonding. :P
In other news, why is today so goddamn long?
Maybe you're abrasive, but everybody loves the Zimmy.
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Passerbye, the idea is, even if someone is making it personal, don't take anything personal. D&D regulars are a pretty abrasive bunch so mocking people is pretty much our way of bonding. :P
In other news, why is today so goddamn long?
If you say so. Maybe I should have Dyrwen explain my sense of humor to you guys so you can understand that my primary concern is making people uncomfortable and using sarcastic not-quite-non-sequitors.
But that wouldn't be funny, so I'll skip that step.
In other news today is long because it's Wednesday, obviously.
Disconnected? No. Simply that a fiction author needs to spend space establishing character and describing scenes and communicating elements of plot and action; consequently some of that space is not used to flesh out the ideas being discussed.
But couldn't these characters and scenes and plot and action all flesh out the ideas being discussed in their own unique way?
Yes, but not every single sentence in a work of fiction is going to flesh out the ideas - no matter how dense, how well-developed a work of fiction, there is still going to be some text that gets you merely from plot point A to plot point B.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Passerbye, the idea is, even if someone is making it personal, don't take anything personal. D&D regulars are a pretty abrasive bunch so mocking people is pretty much our way of bonding. :P
In other news, why is today so goddamn long?
Maybe you're abrasive, but everybody loves the Zimmy.
Dillweed.
Then why do you keep paying for my whores, yo?
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Passerbye, the idea is, even if someone is making it personal, don't take anything personal. D&D regulars are a pretty abrasive bunch so mocking people is pretty much our way of bonding. :P
In other news, why is today so goddamn long?
Maybe you're abrasive, but everybody loves the Zimmy.
Dillweed.
Dude, I killed you for pie. I don't think love is possible after something like that.
I think so, since the first time you could only have one pair of people shake hands per step.
N-1 for even N
N-1 + ceiling N/2 for odd N?
Does that even work?
I'm not sure. For N = 3, you can only have one pair at a time anyways:
So:
1-2
1-3
2-3
Is 3 steps. So N-1 + ceiling N/2 = 2 + 2 = 4. But, in this case N-1 + floor N/2 would work. Unless 3 is just a special case. 5 gets complicated and I don't feel like working it out. :P
I swear I must do papers in the weirdest way. I write them up by hand, then transcribe them to my computer, then print them out, then mark them up, and then make my final changes.
I swear I must do papers in the weirdest way. I write them up by hand, then transcribe them to my computer, then print them out, then mark them up, and then make my final changes.
Posts
list, damn you
sell me places of occupancy!
he he
when you said that fiction was more efficient than non fiction, implying that a fiction author was more disconnected from a truth than a non fiction one.
Yo momma so dirty, I called her for phone sex and got an ear infection.
BURNIZZLE
Oh, okay.
Flippy, uh....your mom....is....not a pretty lady.
Wait, give me a minute here...
*ahem*
Next time I'm rollin' off ur mom, I'll ask her what to say!
Inqui's momma's name is Burnizzle?
My mother is a saint!
Disconnected? No. Simply that a fiction author needs to spend space establishing character and describing scenes and communicating elements of plot and action; consequently some of that space is not used to flesh out the ideas being discussed.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
You can't limit pudding, man! It's bigger than all of us. VIVA LA TAPIOCA.
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They do? I don't think that's true at all. A non fiction writer that focuses on that stuff less will produce inferior work.
Saint of sexually transmitted ear infections, apparently. Is that really something you want to be proud of?
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Anyway.
Passerbye, the idea is, even if someone is making it personal, don't take anything personal. D&D regulars are a pretty abrasive bunch so mocking people is pretty much our way of bonding. :P
In other news, why is today so goddamn long?
But couldn't these characters and scenes and plot and action all flesh out the ideas being discussed in their own unique way?
I thought you had that taken care of, already?
Okay, now I'm really confused.
A non-fiction writer that focuses on plot and characterization less? A non-fiction writer doesn't necessarily need to focus on plot or characterization at all. Are we talking about the same things?
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Ah. But see, that's equivocating.
If I'm talking to a religious person and I say "Faith is important to me, too" and I start talking about putting biases aside and believing in the goodness of people, I've just ceased talking about the very thing under discussion.
I am now not talking about their "Faith" in God. I'm talking about a looser, broader faith that is not "Belief in spite of logic or evidence."
I'm being disingenuous.
Hey, at least she's the saint of something.
Your mother is just a tawdry ho-bag that turns tricks behind the olive garden. Your mother aspires to be my mother.
Maybe you're abrasive, but everybody loves the Zimmy.
Dillweed.
If you say so. Maybe I should have Dyrwen explain my sense of humor to you guys so you can understand that my primary concern is making people uncomfortable and using sarcastic not-quite-non-sequitors.
But that wouldn't be funny, so I'll skip that step.
In other news today is long because it's Wednesday, obviously.
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Yes, but not every single sentence in a work of fiction is going to flesh out the ideas - no matter how dense, how well-developed a work of fiction, there is still going to be some text that gets you merely from plot point A to plot point B.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Yeah I didn't do it much either at first.
But then I had my first drunken chat post. And ever since then I "turn on" my SE++ mode and
stop talking in complete sentences and stop using punctiation
because it's fun
and loose
and weeeeeee
also dicks
How'd you know?!
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Then why do you keep paying for my whores, yo?
Dude, I killed you for pie. I don't think love is possible after something like that.
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Craigslist is a wonderful tool.
I'm not sure. For N = 3, you can only have one pair at a time anyways:
So:
1-2
1-3
2-3
Is 3 steps. So N-1 + ceiling N/2 = 2 + 2 = 4. But, in this case N-1 + floor N/2 would work. Unless 3 is just a special case. 5 gets complicated and I don't feel like working it out. :P
yes. what the fuck is wrong with you
Of the White Stripes?
Yeah, I think she's hot, too.
No.
1) I don't consider SE++ to be funny most of the time.
2) I like grammar and punctuation. I would be naked without them. Do you really want to see that?
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what the fuck is wrong with you, too!
I think you're asking the wrong crowd.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Shit, I told her that was a bad idea but the bitch never listens.
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