Because McCain won't make him pay higher taxes. Something you can go on, but apparently, that's all Deacon has to go on, so he should pretty much stop right there.
I realize it would be easier for you if that were true, but I've made several detailed posts discussing my support of McCain's general worldview, specific issues such as domestic security and abortion, reasons why the fundamental character of a potential McCain administration would be different from Bush's, etc.
I probably should never have mentioned the money, since it plays into your pre-existing "entitled Republican fatcat" bias (even though I'm black and don't have a college degree).
Hey at least you were honest about being a fatcat :P
I'm not. I'm just pro-Corporate American. And the anti-Corporate rhetoric that is constantly spun by the Democrats, if turned into policy, could significantly hamper the future prosperity of American.
Oh yeah, good point. You certainly wouldn't want to vote for a candidate whose party hampered the future prosperity of the United States or advocates policies that are likely to do so. I mean, that'd be crazy!
And the reportage from the scene does suggest that the crowds are, still, coming for the bottom of the ticket. O. Kay Henderson reports that the rally began with chants of "We want Sarah.
"I look up, about five minutes into McCain's address and see a steady stream of people walking out of the rally. They just came to see Palin apparently," she writes.
Fuck me sideways, I simply do not understand these people. At all.
I'm really looking forward to her running in 2012. Possibly against Huckabee and Romney.
I feel that Joan of Arc should play a symbolic role there somehow.
Congratulations. You have successfully cobbled together a justification completely immune to reason.
And this is where I draw the line in this discussion, because for some reason, it seems that I have to convince you that all my values and beliefs are perfectly valid relative to how you frame yours, otherwise I'm just a "fucking idiot" who has "no clue about anything", and is just another "dumb shit" republican.
If you want to disagree with my reasons, that's completely valid.
But to totally disregards those because they don't fit within the framework of what you believe? What are you really trying to prove?
Judging from our last conversation, your "values and beliefs" are essentially:
• Corporations are the lifeblood of America and deserve more respect than individual workers
• Government regulation—possibly even including antitrust regulation—is inherently bad
• We desperately need to "win" Iraq, meaning that we need to stay until we can be sure we'll never have to stay there again, or something.
You are expected to defend your values and beliefs on this forum. "I believe in it so leave me alone!" is not an effective argument for anything.
And the reportage from the scene does suggest that the crowds are, still, coming for the bottom of the ticket. O. Kay Henderson reports that the rally began with chants of "We want Sarah.
"I look up, about five minutes into McCain's address and see a steady stream of people walking out of the rally. They just came to see Palin apparently," she writes.
Fuck me sideways, I simply do not understand these people. At all.
I'm really looking forward to her running in 2012. Possibly against Huckabee and Romney.
I feel that Joan of Arc should play a symbolic role there somehow.
Congratulations. You have successfully cobbled together a justification completely immune to reason.
But to totally disregards those because they don't fit within the framework of what you believe? What are you really trying to prove?
You showed us that Obama has said untrue things. We pointed out that McCain lies out his ass way more. You defended this as, "Well, Obama lies about the things I care about."
As I said, that's a debate stopper right there. Sure, McCain is blinded by the smoke from his trouser conflagration, but on any given McCain lie, it's just not on an issue you care about. End of discussion.
So yeah, tangent over. Well played.
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Because McCain won't make him pay higher taxes. Something you can go on, but apparently, that's all Deacon has to go on, so he should pretty much stop right there.
I realize it would be easier for you if that were true, but I've made several detailed posts discussing my support of McCain's general worldview, specific issues such as domestic security and abortion, reasons why the fundamental character of a potential McCain administration would be different from Bush's, etc.
I probably should never have mentioned the money, since it plays into your pre-existing "entitled Republican fatcat" bias (even though I'm black and don't have a college degree).
Hey at least you were honest about being a fatcat :P
I'm not. I'm just pro-Corporate American. And the anti-Corporate rhetoric that is constantly spun by the Democrats, if turned into policy, could significantly hamper the future prosperity of American.
As far as I can tell, the pro-Corporate rhetoric hasn't done a whole lot for the prosperity of America so far.
And the reportage from the scene does suggest that the crowds are, still, coming for the bottom of the ticket. O. Kay Henderson reports that the rally began with chants of "We want Sarah.
"I look up, about five minutes into McCain's address and see a steady stream of people walking out of the rally. They just came to see Palin apparently," she writes.
Fuck me sideways, I simply do not understand these people. At all.
I'm really looking forward to her running in 2012. Possibly against Huckabee and Romney.
I feel that Joan of Arc should play a symbolic role there somehow.
She'd do well to run Huckabee as a veep and simply hammer the populist angle over and over and over.
For those who still can’t grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.
White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a “light†burden.
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Then the white knight fucker came along, and did it in for everyone, I trusted /b/ with that email password, I had gotten done what I could do well, then passed the torch , all to be let down by the douchebaggery, good job /b/, this is why we cant have nice things
Which just goes to show that even the most brilliant websearchers can be fucking idiots.
At what point will it be okay to just start lobbing obscenities at this ironzerg fellow
At the point you wish to start pulling infractions.
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Which is why the parents have the option to opt their child out of the sex education if they'd rather take care of it themselves.
So then if I opt out of the public school system in general, then I should receive a credit voucher for the private education I chose to give my kid, right?
Sorry, but the equivalent in this analogy would be home schooling.
Which is why the parents have the option to opt their child out of the sex education if they'd rather take care of it themselves.
So then if I opt out of the public school system in general, then I should receive a credit voucher for the private education I chose to give my kid, right?
Yeah, right after I opt out of road maintenance provided by the government and get private voucher for my share of the money spent on it.
Which is why the parents have the option to opt their child out of the sex education if they'd rather take care of it themselves.
So then if I opt out of the public school system in general, then I should receive a credit voucher for the private education I chose to give my kid, right?
Because McCain won't make him pay higher taxes. Something you can go on, but apparently, that's all Deacon has to go on, so he should pretty much stop right there.
I realize it would be easier for you if that were true, but I've made several detailed posts discussing my support of McCain's general worldview, specific issues such as domestic security and abortion, reasons why the fundamental character of a potential McCain administration would be different from Bush's, etc.
I probably should never have mentioned the money, since it plays into your pre-existing "entitled Republican fatcat" bias (even though I'm black and don't have a college degree).
Hey at least you were honest about being a fatcat :P
I'm not. I'm just pro-Corporate American. And the anti-Corporate rhetoric that is constantly spun by the Democrats, if turned into policy, could significantly hamper the future prosperity of American.
As opposed to letting massive corporations run roughshot without regulations until the taxpayers cough up hundreds of billions to buy them out?
I dunno if you realize this, but we just purchased a socialized insurance and banking system in the past month. Under a conservative administration, born of rules and deregulations that were conjured up during a republican run house and senate that have now come to roost.
And if you so much as bring up the fact that the dems control the hill now when the crisis happened and disregard the entire concept of inertia...
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Let's play Mario Kart or something...
And the reportage from the scene does suggest that the crowds are, still, coming for the bottom of the ticket. O. Kay Henderson reports that the rally began with chants of "We want Sarah.
"I look up, about five minutes into McCain's address and see a steady stream of people walking out of the rally. They just came to see Palin apparently," she writes.
Fuck me sideways, I simply do not understand these people. At all.
I'm really looking forward to her running in 2012. Possibly against Huckabee and Romney.
I feel that Joan of Arc should play a symbolic role there somehow.
She'd do well to run Huckabee as a veep and simply hammer the populist angle over and over and over.
Lord, I weep for the future of this nation.
I am uncertain that Huckabee wants to be anyone's veep.
Which is why the parents have the option to opt their child out of the sex education if they'd rather take care of it themselves.
So then if I opt out of the public school system in general, then I should receive a credit voucher for the private education I chose to give my kid, right?
Yeah, right after I opt out of road maintenance provided by the government and get private voucher for my share of the money spent on it.
I think the Republicans should just change their party platform to: "Tragedy of the Commons: It's a Good Thing!"
Also, not to beat the moral equivalency horse to death again, but come on, iron. The ad basically paints Obama as some kind of pedo, which is so far beyond the pale that it's hard for me to believe you can compare it to the other Obama ads.
Sorry, but I never read into the pedophilia vibe from that ad. I assume you're talking about the Kindergarten one?
The ad was trying to draw a line in the ground for voters who are against state sponsored, sex education being taught in public schools.
If you're not for schools teaching sex education, then I'm sorry, but you're either a naive dreamer who thinks the world should be perfect, or you support teenagers getting pregnant when their hormones take over.
Maybe that should be the role of the parents, and not the government.
Hence the first of the two options I presented. It's incredibly naive to believe that all parents are able and willing to have The Talk with their kids, as wonderful as that scenario would be, and it should be a matter of public interest to make sure all teenagers learn certain things to keep teen pregnancies down.
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Because McCain won't make him pay higher taxes. Something you can go on, but apparently, that's all Deacon has to go on, so he should pretty much stop right there.
I realize it would be easier for you if that were true, but I've made several detailed posts discussing my support of McCain's general worldview, specific issues such as domestic security and abortion, reasons why the fundamental character of a potential McCain administration would be different from Bush's, etc.
I probably should never have mentioned the money, since it plays into your pre-existing "entitled Republican fatcat" bias (even though I'm black and don't have a college degree).
Hey at least you were honest about being a fatcat :P
I'm not. I'm just pro-Corporate American. And the anti-Corporate rhetoric that is constantly spun by the Democrats, if turned into policy, could significantly hamper the future prosperity of American.
This has been bugging me for a while.
America. I don't know why you're doing it, but it's weird. Please stop.
Because McCain won't make him pay higher taxes. Something you can go on, but apparently, that's all Deacon has to go on, so he should pretty much stop right there.
I realize it would be easier for you if that were true, but I've made several detailed posts discussing my support of McCain's general worldview, specific issues such as domestic security and abortion, reasons why the fundamental character of a potential McCain administration would be different from Bush's, etc.
I probably should never have mentioned the money, since it plays into your pre-existing "entitled Republican fatcat" bias (even though I'm black and don't have a college degree).
Hey at least you were honest about being a fatcat :P
I'm not. I'm just pro-Corporate American. And the anti-Corporate rhetoric that is constantly spun by the Democrats, if turned into policy, could significantly hamper the future prosperity of American.
This has been bugging me for a while.
America. I don't know why you're doing it, but it's weird. Please stop.
I'm not. I'm just pro-Corporate American. And the anti-Corporate rhetoric that is constantly spun by the Democrats, if turned into policy, could significantly hamper the future prosperity of American.
This has been bugging me for a while.
America. I don't know why you're doing it, but it's weird. Please stop.
Are you an American, or are you an American't??
Oops! Typo.
You're right. That typo complete invalidates anything I stand for.
He didn't even say that. This is why we can't have nice things.
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Congratulations. You have successfully cobbled together a justification completely immune to reason.
And this is where I draw the line in this discussion, because for some reason, it seems that I have to convince you that all my values and beliefs are perfectly valid relative to how you frame yours, otherwise I'm just a "fucking idiot" who has "no clue about anything", and is just another "dumb shit" republican.
If you want to disagree with my reasons, that's completely valid.
But to totally disregards those because they don't fit within the framework of what you believe? What are you really trying to prove?
We don't even know what your reasons are. All I've seen you do is complain about Obama and what he's said.
Actually, zerg has committed to record his reasons for supporting McCain, as has Deacon. Because these threads move so fast, a LOT of people have missed them, and some have glossed over them.
You're claiming Obama is more of a hypocrite because his campaign has done, at worst, exactly the same thing McCain's campaign has done.
Technically I said "more vulnerable to claims of hypocrisy". Meaning, you can apply the "hypocrite" label to him with less airtight evidence. So, really, I never implied he was worse than McCain.
McCain’s determination to take discriminatory employers “to court” sure would come as a surprise to Lilly Ledbetter, the woman who sued Goodyear Tire for discrimination after she was paid less than her male coworkers for nearly twenty years. The Supreme Court dismissed her case because she had not filed it within 180 days of her very first discriminatory paycheck — despite the fact she had no idea she was being paid less.
Adding to McCain’s long history of opposing equal pay, he skipped the vote that would have allowed Ledbetter to sue, explaining he opposed the bill because it “opens us up to lawsuits for all kinds of problems.”
To recap: McCain opposed a bill that would have made it easier for women to sue over pay discrimination. Perhaps what he meant was that he’ll “take ‘em to court” only “in concept.”
So Iron.. you don't like more litigation.. but apparently Senator McCain is now calling for it after first opposing it.
As far as I can tell, the pro-Corporate rhetoric hasn't done a whole lot for the prosperity of America so far.
You have a very prosperous failing economy.
Really? I hate to break it to you, but despite the recent troubles, America is still the most prosperous country in the world....
NNNNGGGGGHHHHHH
If someone can make a rational argument against this then do it quickly and maybe pull a rabbit out of a hat afterwards because it makes you a fucking magician.
Which is why the parents have the option to opt their child out of the sex education if they'd rather take care of it themselves.
So then if I opt out of the public school system in general, then I should receive a credit voucher for the private education I chose to give my kid, right?
Absolutely. AND for every day that the fire department doesn't come to your house, you get a tax rebate added to your next return.
I just felt like chiming in on the long-winded "Obama is a hypocrite!" argument.
Yes, Obama's campaign has made some poor choices. I do not, however, think that 100% of that can be placed on Obama's shoulders as his responsibility. Yes, his little bit of "I approve this message" is tacked onto the end, but it isn't personalized for each and every ad. It is entirely plausible that they gave him a brief idea of what the ad would entail rather than showing him a finished product, and he approved the overall theme of the ad but not the details. The man has a lot of shit on his plate, after all.
However, even if you give McCain the same leeway, it actually looks worse for him, because he defends some of his really fucked ads, and doesn't fire people who are blatantly lying and sticking his name to it.
In Obama's case, yes, some of the ads are slightly downer-ish (and hopefully we've seen the last of them), but they aren't to the point that I'd expect Obama to stand up and make a statement that he actually doesn't approve the message, because they weren't so bad as to do any real damage to his image.
Obama is human, and he is, whether we like it or not, part of a campaign made up of a lot of people. I still believe he is an awesome guy and will do great things for this nation. And a few "negative" ads won't change that opinion. If Obama himself starts actually starts adding the worst parts to his speeches (as McCain and Palin have done), then I'd be a lot more inclined to agree that it's a more serious issue.
However, as it is, while I may not like the need for his campaign to take the cheap shots, I still honestly believe that the man at the center of it all really is the change I have been waiting for.
Actually, zerg has committed to record his reasons for supporting McCain, as has Deacon. Because these threads move so fast, a LOT of people have missed them, and some have glossed over them.
Thanks for the help.
It just seems every time a McCain supporter calls something out on Obama, the discussion devolves into a, "Oh yeah, well why don't you just point on in detail, exactly why you support McCain".
And when we don't, the conversation further devolves into a series of swearing and personal attacks.
I don't want to have to rehash my complete stance on McCain and why I support him over Obama every single time I call Obama and his campaign out on something.
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America. I don't know why you're doing it, but it's weird. Please stop.
Are you an American, or are you an American't??
Oops! Typo.
You're right. That typo complete invalidates anything I stand for.
The only reason I brought it up is that you've done it at least thirty times over the past week. It's not a typo, it's a bad habit that makes me wonder why you consistently can't use the word 'America' properly.
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Oh yeah, good point. You certainly wouldn't want to vote for a candidate whose party hampered the future prosperity of the United States or advocates policies that are likely to do so. I mean, that'd be crazy!
I'm really looking forward to her running in 2012. Possibly against Huckabee and Romney.
I feel that Joan of Arc should play a symbolic role there somehow.
Do we have a market crash thread?
• Corporations are the lifeblood of America and deserve more respect than individual workers
• Government regulation—possibly even including antitrust regulation—is inherently bad
• We desperately need to "win" Iraq, meaning that we need to stay until we can be sure we'll never have to stay there again, or something.
You are expected to defend your values and beliefs on this forum. "I believe in it so leave me alone!" is not an effective argument for anything.
Sorry I'm booked that year
You showed us that Obama has said untrue things. We pointed out that McCain lies out his ass way more. You defended this as, "Well, Obama lies about the things I care about."
As I said, that's a debate stopper right there. Sure, McCain is blinded by the smoke from his trouser conflagration, but on any given McCain lie, it's just not on an issue you care about. End of discussion.
So yeah, tangent over. Well played.
With pleasure..
You're claiming Obama is more of a hypocrite because his campaign has done, at worst, exactly the same thing McCain's campaign has done.
As far as I can tell, the pro-Corporate rhetoric hasn't done a whole lot for the prosperity of America so far.
She'd do well to run Huckabee as a veep and simply hammer the populist angle over and over and over.
Lord, I weep for the future of this nation.
Yes, this.
Which just goes to show that even the most brilliant websearchers can be fucking idiots.
At the point you wish to start pulling infractions.
Sorry, but the equivalent in this analogy would be home schooling.
Yeah, right after I opt out of road maintenance provided by the government and get private voucher for my share of the money spent on it.
This is a whole different argument.
Stick to the original bill, please.
Because ewww sex!!!
As opposed to letting massive corporations run roughshot without regulations until the taxpayers cough up hundreds of billions to buy them out?
I dunno if you realize this, but we just purchased a socialized insurance and banking system in the past month. Under a conservative administration, born of rules and deregulations that were conjured up during a republican run house and senate that have now come to roost.
And if you so much as bring up the fact that the dems control the hill now when the crisis happened and disregard the entire concept of inertia...
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I am uncertain that Huckabee wants to be anyone's veep.
I think the Republicans should just change their party platform to: "Tragedy of the Commons: It's a Good Thing!"
Hence the first of the two options I presented. It's incredibly naive to believe that all parents are able and willing to have The Talk with their kids, as wonderful as that scenario would be, and it should be a matter of public interest to make sure all teenagers learn certain things to keep teen pregnancies down.
This has been bugging me for a while.
America. I don't know why you're doing it, but it's weird. Please stop.
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October fifth, then. Crackerjack!
Oops! Typo.
You're right. That typo complete invalidates anything I stand for.
You have a very prosperous failing economy.
He didn't even say that. This is why we can't have nice things.
Technically I said "more vulnerable to claims of hypocrisy". Meaning, you can apply the "hypocrite" label to him with less airtight evidence. So, really, I never implied he was worse than McCain.
Really? I hate to break it to you, but despite the recent troubles, America is still the most prosperous country in the world....
So Iron.. you don't like more litigation.. but apparently Senator McCain is now calling for it after first opposing it.
What gives?
NNNNGGGGGHHHHHH
If someone can make a rational argument against this then do it quickly and maybe pull a rabbit out of a hat afterwards because it makes you a fucking magician.
Absolutely. AND for every day that the fire department doesn't come to your house, you get a tax rebate added to your next return.
I just felt like chiming in on the long-winded "Obama is a hypocrite!" argument.
Yes, Obama's campaign has made some poor choices. I do not, however, think that 100% of that can be placed on Obama's shoulders as his responsibility. Yes, his little bit of "I approve this message" is tacked onto the end, but it isn't personalized for each and every ad. It is entirely plausible that they gave him a brief idea of what the ad would entail rather than showing him a finished product, and he approved the overall theme of the ad but not the details. The man has a lot of shit on his plate, after all.
However, even if you give McCain the same leeway, it actually looks worse for him, because he defends some of his really fucked ads, and doesn't fire people who are blatantly lying and sticking his name to it.
In Obama's case, yes, some of the ads are slightly downer-ish (and hopefully we've seen the last of them), but they aren't to the point that I'd expect Obama to stand up and make a statement that he actually doesn't approve the message, because they weren't so bad as to do any real damage to his image.
Obama is human, and he is, whether we like it or not, part of a campaign made up of a lot of people. I still believe he is an awesome guy and will do great things for this nation. And a few "negative" ads won't change that opinion. If Obama himself starts actually starts adding the worst parts to his speeches (as McCain and Palin have done), then I'd be a lot more inclined to agree that it's a more serious issue.
However, as it is, while I may not like the need for his campaign to take the cheap shots, I still honestly believe that the man at the center of it all really is the change I have been waiting for.
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It just seems every time a McCain supporter calls something out on Obama, the discussion devolves into a, "Oh yeah, well why don't you just point on in detail, exactly why you support McCain".
And when we don't, the conversation further devolves into a series of swearing and personal attacks.
I don't want to have to rehash my complete stance on McCain and why I support him over Obama every single time I call Obama and his campaign out on something.
The only reason I brought it up is that you've done it at least thirty times over the past week. It's not a typo, it's a bad habit that makes me wonder why you consistently can't use the word 'America' properly.
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I think thats a rather subjective argument.
This random link from the UK says we're 24th.
Are you going to dispute that the Vatican is more prosperous? C'mon.