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Oh yeah, good point. You certainly wouldn't want to vote for a candidate whose party hampered the future prosperity of the United States or advocates policies that are likely to do so. I mean, that'd be crazy!
I'm really looking forward to her running in 2012. Possibly against Huckabee and Romney.
I feel that Joan of Arc should play a symbolic role there somehow.
Do we have a market crash thread?
• Corporations are the lifeblood of America and deserve more respect than individual workers
• Government regulation—possibly even including antitrust regulation—is inherently bad
• We desperately need to "win" Iraq, meaning that we need to stay until we can be sure we'll never have to stay there again, or something.
You are expected to defend your values and beliefs on this forum. "I believe in it so leave me alone!" is not an effective argument for anything.
Sorry I'm booked that year
You showed us that Obama has said untrue things. We pointed out that McCain lies out his ass way more. You defended this as, "Well, Obama lies about the things I care about."
As I said, that's a debate stopper right there. Sure, McCain is blinded by the smoke from his trouser conflagration, but on any given McCain lie, it's just not on an issue you care about. End of discussion.
So yeah, tangent over. Well played.
Maddie: "I am not!"
Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
With pleasure..
You're claiming Obama is more of a hypocrite because his campaign has done, at worst, exactly the same thing McCain's campaign has done.
As far as I can tell, the pro-Corporate rhetoric hasn't done a whole lot for the prosperity of America so far.
She'd do well to run Huckabee as a veep and simply hammer the populist angle over and over and over.
Lord, I weep for the future of this nation.
Yes, this.
Which just goes to show that even the most brilliant websearchers can be fucking idiots.
At the point you wish to start pulling infractions.
Maddie: "I am not!"
Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
Sorry, but the equivalent in this analogy would be home schooling.
Yeah, right after I opt out of road maintenance provided by the government and get private voucher for my share of the money spent on it.
This is a whole different argument.
Stick to the original bill, please.
Because ewww sex!!!
As opposed to letting massive corporations run roughshot without regulations until the taxpayers cough up hundreds of billions to buy them out?
I dunno if you realize this, but we just purchased a socialized insurance and banking system in the past month. Under a conservative administration, born of rules and deregulations that were conjured up during a republican run house and senate that have now come to roost.
And if you so much as bring up the fact that the dems control the hill now when the crisis happened and disregard the entire concept of inertia...
I am uncertain that Huckabee wants to be anyone's veep.
I think the Republicans should just change their party platform to: "Tragedy of the Commons: It's a Good Thing!"
Hence the first of the two options I presented. It's incredibly naive to believe that all parents are able and willing to have The Talk with their kids, as wonderful as that scenario would be, and it should be a matter of public interest to make sure all teenagers learn certain things to keep teen pregnancies down.
This has been bugging me for a while.
America. I don't know why you're doing it, but it's weird. Please stop.
October fifth, then. Crackerjack!
Oops! Typo.
You're right. That typo complete invalidates anything I stand for.
You have a very prosperous failing economy.
He didn't even say that. This is why we can't have nice things.
Technically I said "more vulnerable to claims of hypocrisy". Meaning, you can apply the "hypocrite" label to him with less airtight evidence. So, really, I never implied he was worse than McCain.
Really? I hate to break it to you, but despite the recent troubles, America is still the most prosperous country in the world....
So Iron.. you don't like more litigation.. but apparently Senator McCain is now calling for it after first opposing it.
What gives?
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If someone can make a rational argument against this then do it quickly and maybe pull a rabbit out of a hat afterwards because it makes you a fucking magician.
Absolutely. AND for every day that the fire department doesn't come to your house, you get a tax rebate added to your next return.
I just felt like chiming in on the long-winded "Obama is a hypocrite!" argument.
Yes, Obama's campaign has made some poor choices. I do not, however, think that 100% of that can be placed on Obama's shoulders as his responsibility. Yes, his little bit of "I approve this message" is tacked onto the end, but it isn't personalized for each and every ad. It is entirely plausible that they gave him a brief idea of what the ad would entail rather than showing him a finished product, and he approved the overall theme of the ad but not the details. The man has a lot of shit on his plate, after all.
However, even if you give McCain the same leeway, it actually looks worse for him, because he defends some of his really fucked ads, and doesn't fire people who are blatantly lying and sticking his name to it.
In Obama's case, yes, some of the ads are slightly downer-ish (and hopefully we've seen the last of them), but they aren't to the point that I'd expect Obama to stand up and make a statement that he actually doesn't approve the message, because they weren't so bad as to do any real damage to his image.
Obama is human, and he is, whether we like it or not, part of a campaign made up of a lot of people. I still believe he is an awesome guy and will do great things for this nation. And a few "negative" ads won't change that opinion. If Obama himself starts actually starts adding the worst parts to his speeches (as McCain and Palin have done), then I'd be a lot more inclined to agree that it's a more serious issue.
However, as it is, while I may not like the need for his campaign to take the cheap shots, I still honestly believe that the man at the center of it all really is the change I have been waiting for.
PSN: SAW776
It just seems every time a McCain supporter calls something out on Obama, the discussion devolves into a, "Oh yeah, well why don't you just point on in detail, exactly why you support McCain".
And when we don't, the conversation further devolves into a series of swearing and personal attacks.
I don't want to have to rehash my complete stance on McCain and why I support him over Obama every single time I call Obama and his campaign out on something.
The only reason I brought it up is that you've done it at least thirty times over the past week. It's not a typo, it's a bad habit that makes me wonder why you consistently can't use the word 'America' properly.
I think thats a rather subjective argument.
This random link from the UK says we're 24th.
Are you going to dispute that the Vatican is more prosperous? C'mon. :lol: