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Valkyria Chronicles hype thread - Very, very simply one of the best games this year

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  • ze swift classze swift class Registered User
    edited October 2008
    Played this for a few hours. It's incredibly fun, and I feel really bad about how terrible it will sell because not very many people know about it.

    This game definitely needs more hype.

  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Played this for a few hours. It's incredibly fun, and I feel really bad about how terrible it will sell because not very many people know about it.

    This game definitely needs more hype.

    Agreed.

    I finally managed to get my whole crew through without a death! Maybe that's small potatoes to folks who've been playing Disgaea or FFT for years, but for a non-RPGer like me it's very satisfying!

    For the most part I just took things real slow, and let Marina really shine - I barely used my sweet Rosie at all. Towards the end of the battle, I had Marina behind the sandbags that the enemy's rocket trooper starts out at. The enemy had one solier left - a scout that had come in as reinforcements at their flag, across the bridge (a long way off). I run the engineer out to Marina for ammo, then I switch to her, stand up, move forward about ten feet and take aim.

    All she can see through the scope is the dude's head, peeking above a rise in the ground. Boom. Headshot.

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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Rosie was probably my favorite character too.

    I didn't get to use the sniper on account of her instantly being killed.

    Really? I used her all the time, I kept her on top of the hill, would run forward a bit, shoot (which'd one shot kill scouts and machine gunners) and then run her back behind the hill.

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  • greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    When I played I destroyed everything with the tank. I just rolled him in, used 3 turns to shoot at the other tank, and used a lancer to finish it off. Then during enemy phase 1/2 of them shot at tank for no damage and the other half ran out and got shot to shit with the machine gun. My sniper died instantly because I moved her in too close. And rosie and the other assault character mopped up.

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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    greeble wrote: »
    When I played I destroyed everything with the tank. I just rolled him in, used 3 turns to shoot at the other tank, and used a lancer to finish it off. Then during enemy phase 1/2 of them shot at tank for no damage and the other half ran out and got shot to shit with the machine gun. My sniper died instantly because I moved her in too close. And rosie and the other assault character mopped up.

    It's weird how the enemy doesn't even bother to move units twice in a turn. I guess they just made it really easy for newcomers.

    Why run your sniper in close though? She's got crazy aim (using the right analog stick to zoom in) so she can pretty much hit everyone. Standing on the hill, I killed the scout guarding the flag in a single shot.

    I don't really want to play the demo any more than I already have, I'd rather just save myself for the full game. I'm going to make sure I recommend all my PS3 owning friends download it and give it a go though.

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    We cannot let the Hype Train die! More people must know of Valkyria Chronicles! More, I say!

    I was pokin' around the Gamespot forums and a fellow said he managed to get an A rating on the skirmish by completing it in one turn - that is, he hammered the enemy tank with his tank, and spent the rest of the AP sending Alicia around the battlefield. She just did a run-up face-meet-rifle, whipped to the flag = A rating.

    Apparently though, enemies grant XP (shocker!), with certain enemies granting more than others - which can be found out by accessing the enemy's unit list during your combat phase. There's supposedly a little symbol beside the +xp enemies.

    I intend to poke around some more and see what I can see...

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  • XenoXeno Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Yup, I finished the first battle in one turn. Not that hard actually. One units you should be moving are the tank and alicia.

    Here's how I did it.

    Select tank and move it as far as possible infront of the other tank. Use mortar and kill the shock trooper in one hit. Select alicia Have her move around at the top of the hill and stop just before the scout at the far end sees you and tries to shoot you. Move alicia again within grenade range, kill the scout with the grenade, then using the rest of your ap, keep moving to the beginning of the bridge. CP again and move as close as possible to the scout you should have enough to blast the last scout in the face from close range which should kill him. Last cp should give you just enough to capture the flag.

    Done.

  • AggroChanAggroChan __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2008
    Xeno wrote: »
    Only units you should be moving are the tank and alicia.

    ;____; but i love everyone

    Anyways, in all honestly, this game should be delayed.
    There's too many overshadowing titles coming in the near future, I fear for this game's sales :<

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  • XenoXeno Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Honestly, I REALLY don't like it that you're rewarded by zooming through the level. If I kill everyone/keep my guys alive, I should get more points than someone who captures the flag in one turn. Fehhh.

    When I play my SRPG's like Disgaea or tactics, I like doing the slow push. Move a guy here, take cover, wait for the enemy, etc. Apparently doing this gets you a D...........I know you can still do it if you want to, but you aren't rewarded for it which sucks.

  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Actually I did a balanced run earlier, and I believe I got more XP than if I had just blitzed it with Alicia. I'll do some comparison runs tonight with a pad & paper and see what gets you what. It wouldn't surprise me if you get greater reward for taking out all the enemies with six turns than simply snagging the flag in one.

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The "Potentials" can also be bad, for anyone who didn't run into this.

    At least one of the characters has allergies or something like that, and taking her into a field triggered them (although I forget the effect)

  • ErgandarErgandar Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It's undoubtedly been mentioned before, but the voice acting in this game must be superb.

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The "Potentials" can also be bad, for anyone who didn't run into this.

    At least one of the characters has allergies or something like that, and taking her into a field triggered them (although I forget the effect)

    Yep, Marina.

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  • UltrachristUltrachrist Registered User
    edited October 2008
    The "Potentials" can also be bad, for anyone who didn't run into this.

    At least one of the characters has allergies or something like that, and taking her into a field triggered them (although I forget the effect)

    Yeah the sniper has allergies and she also has "lone wolf" which decreases her evasion if she is near the group.

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Xeno wrote: »
    Honestly, I REALLY don't like it that you're rewarded by zooming through the level. If I kill everyone/keep my guys alive, I should get more points than someone who captures the flag in one turn. Fehhh.

    When I play my SRPG's like Disgaea or tactics, I like doing the slow push. Move a guy here, take cover, wait for the enemy, etc. Apparently doing this gets you a D...........I know you can still do it if you want to, but you aren't rewarded for it which sucks.

    Okay, I said I'd test around with this earlier, and the results are kinda' interesting... If you actually wanna' see the numbers, here it is all simplified, spoiler'd for size:
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    So clearly, blitzing Alicia around the level won't net you the greatest reward, but neither does inching through it. It's entirely possible to clear out the entire level in 2 turns, netting you a very respectable 2200xp and 1800 dct (whatever dct is - money I guess?). Here's what you need to know:

    -losing a unit costs you nothing. You'll lose no xp, no dct because one of your solidiers fell.

    -there is no penalty or reward for deploying a certain number of soldiers. If you go in with 9 soldiers and kill 2 enemies, you'll receive the same reward you would if you killed 2 enemies with 2 soldiers.

    -rank is based entirely on how many turns it takes you to clear the battlefield (old news). 1 turn = A, 2 = B and so on.

    -a higher rank grants you a higher xp/dct bonus, but it's not the only factor in your reward.

    -only certain enemies grant xp/dct. Here's the biggie. There are only 3 enemies in the skirmish that actually provide you with xp - (if up is north on your map) the Scout at the north of the map, the tank, and the Scout guarding the bridge to the flag. All other soldiers are meaningless, apart from being in your way.

    -you can identify these enemies by pressing square before you select your next unit to move. Then press R1 to flip the page to look at the enemy's roster. The units with gold medals next to their pictures are 'leader' units which grant XP. The tank is unmarked, so I can only assume all tanks grant XP.


    2480 xp and 2000dct can be achieved with only Wavy, Largo and Alicia deployed. First I moved Welkin to block the machine gunners line-of-sight towards the north, where Wavy would be headed. I fired one round into the enemy tank's cockpit.

    Then I sent out Largo to the sandbags nearest to the tank. With quick reflexes, he can fire off two rockets into the tank before its machinegun fire cuts him down. Tank = tons of xp.

    Then Wavy heads out to the northmost 'leader' Scout. He doesn't actually have to get too close - just close enough to lob a grenade, which will 1-shot a Scout.

    Then, with 2 command points left, it's Alicia's turn to head for the bridge. One turn to get to the 'leader' scout guarding the bridge - grenade. One turn to get to the flag, and put some rounds into the head of the Scout guarding it.

    That's it. One turn, both leaders and the tank - max xp and dct.

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  • AggroChanAggroChan __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2008
    Basically I lol'd when you started rolling the tank out and the driver just exclaims "I love nature." while driving a death machine. <img class=" title=":lol:" class="bbcode_smiley" />

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  • RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hahaha, that was awesome.

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  • darksteeldarksteel Registered User
    edited October 2008
    I've had eyes on this game since this summer, but I am never going to be able to get it since it's on the PS3 and I have absolutely no money for one. :(

    From gameplay videos though, I definitely like it. It's certainly borrowing a lot of principles from Western tactical games (primarily Jagged Alliance and X-COM), which can only be good. I'm seeing an action point-based move system, overwatch, cover, fields of fire, basically all the things a tactical game needs to make a fire-and-maneuver system. I don't know if suppression and pinning effects are modeled though.

    Also, I like that they're being realistic with the tanks being unstoppable juggernauts. Does armor facing factor in damage? Is there an allowance for engine damage, turret damage, running gear damage, or crew morale (shaken/stunned)?

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  • HaikiraHaikira Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ok, this is day one for me. I really wasn't paying attention to this one. I mean i've heard the name around and seen a few screenshots, but i just filed it in a "not my cup of tea" category. But the demo really sold me on this for sure.

    I'm also surprised as hell this is hitting UK before America.

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  • ReznikReznik Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    darksteel wrote: »

    Also, I like that they're being realistic with the tanks being unstoppable juggernauts. Does armor facing factor in damage? Is there an allowance for engine damage, turret damage, running gear damage, or crew morale (shaken/stunned)?

    From what I've seen, tanks have seperate HP for body and treads, but that seems to be about it. You can stop it from moving but it's better to just target the body anyway.

  • greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Reznik wrote: »
    darksteel wrote: »

    Also, I like that they're being realistic with the tanks being unstoppable juggernauts. Does armor facing factor in damage? Is there an allowance for engine damage, turret damage, running gear damage, or crew morale (shaken/stunned)?

    From what I've seen, tanks have seperate HP for body and treads, but that seems to be about it. You can stop it from moving but it's better to just target the body anyway.

    Yeah the tanks are handled well. The "radiator" weak spot in the back is a good compromise. Also Unco, the reason I ran my sniper in too close was I didn't know how far the enemy range was yet, and I didn't know how to zoom. :P

    Yeah Its pretty sad that this game will probably get burried under all the "bigger" holiday releases. I'm guessing most folks don't really pay attention because its a ps3 exclusive (smallest group) but doesn't have a big ass marketing push behind it ala LBP and isn't a franchise ala Disegea. (Also lets be honest SEGA hasn't had too many awesome games lately.)

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  • darksteeldarksteel Registered User
    edited October 2008
    Reznik wrote: »
    darksteel wrote: »

    Also, I like that they're being realistic with the tanks being unstoppable juggernauts. Does armor facing factor in damage? Is there an allowance for engine damage, turret damage, running gear damage, or crew morale (shaken/stunned)?

    From what I've seen, tanks have seperate HP for body and treads, but that seems to be about it. You can stop it from moving but it's better to just target the body anyway.

    Yeah, thought as much. It's totally fine though. The fact that the game is taking mechanics from Western Tactical RPGs, which are little known in tactical RPG circles, is good enough for me.

    So what's with the WWII vibe the game has? Is it supposed to be loosely based on the German invasion of the Netherlands? I kinda like it but am weirded out at the same time. It's a strange feeling.

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    darksteel wrote: »
    So what's with the WWII vibe the game has? Is it supposed to be loosely based on the German invasion of the Netherlands? I kinda like it but am weirded out at the same time. It's a strange feeling.

    In an interview I read (I think it was 1up) with the game's creative head / driving force, apparently they chose to go with a WWII theme was because it was the last war where there was an actual sense of an individual solider having a great impact on battles - which is somewhat true. Since WWII there's never really been a War (unless you wanna' count Vietnam) where it was man vs. man on the ground.

    He also said this gives them opportunity to take inspiration from many well-known battles, and reference them in the game (not directly. There is no D-Day in Valkyria Chronicles, though there is a beach landing, which is a clear reference to it.)

    Also, I don't think it's "our" Europe. It's 'Europa', and there are clear deviations from history (the magical item characters use to heal themselves, and the fact that apparently the 'Valkyria' of the title is in fact a Valkyrie - a magical being thought lost from this world who shows up to aid one of the sides of the war - no doubt she's the glowing blue lady from the trailers).

    I think they hit the vibe they were going for - familiar, yet fantastical.

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  • CarbonFireCarbonFire See you in the countryRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    So the LBP demo ending finally freed me up long enough to download this via a Euro account (stupid Qore).

    Simply awesome (as expected). Now I have to find some time to actually play it come November.

    It saddens me that they decided to release the game this fall (in a season so packed to the gills with AAA releases). I fear this game is going to fall through the cracks when it really should deserve a lot more attention.

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  • The Reverend Dr GalactusThe Reverend Dr Galactus Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ok, Chance, your cross-pollution in the LBP thread has convinced me to make a euro account. :P

    I know the feeling; I could sense it from your posts; in them I saw myself years ago doggedly trying to spread the word about Anachronox... When a game has that something, that indescribable greatness that isn't obvious from the outside, and you just have to tell people.

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ok, Chance, your cross-pollution in the LBP thread has convinced me to make a euro account. :P

    I know the feeling; I could sense it from your posts; in them I saw myself years ago doggedly trying to spread the word about Anachronox... When a game has that something, that indescribable greatness that isn't obvious from the outside, and you just have to tell people.

    Success! And with this merest hint of positive reinforcement, I shall continue my intrusive pimping of this game 'till November!

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  • darksteeldarksteel Registered User
    edited October 2008
    Okay, I have a friend that I haven't talked to in two years, and I know he has a PS3. I am seriously considering calling him up, and just getting back in touch with him, just so I can borrow his PS3 in November for Valkyria Chronicles. Is this plan good or not?

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    darksteel wrote: »
    Okay, I have a friend that I haven't talked to in two years, and I know he has a PS3. I am seriously considering calling him up, and just getting back in touch with him, just so I can borrow his PS3 in November for Valkyria Chronicles.

    Well, from the perspective of someone trying to give good, worldly advice? No - it's been two years, and I wouldn't loan my PS3 to my own brother, nevermind a guy I haven't talked to since '06.

    From the perspective of a ravenous, potentially dangerous gamer, on the other hand - is there a way to get between him and his PS3, with some sort of weapon that would make asking a lot easier? The demo has convinced me that magical hand grenades are very persuasive.

    *

    Edit: it is just one game. I'm not sure any single game is worth getting a system for - but this game may well be the first great JRPG on the PS3. If you want a PS3 and Uncharted, MGS, LBP and this doesn't convince you... stick with your 360.

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  • darksteeldarksteel Registered User
    edited October 2008
    Chance wrote: »
    darksteel wrote: »
    Okay, I have a friend that I haven't talked to in two years, and I know he has a PS3. I am seriously considering calling him up, and just getting back in touch with him, just so I can borrow his PS3 in November for Valkyria Chronicles.

    Well, from the perspective of someone trying to give good, worldly advice? No - it's been two years, and I wouldn't loan my PS3 to my own brother, nevermind a guy I haven't talked to since '06.

    From the perspective of a ravenous, potentially dangerous gamer, on the other hand - is there a way to get between him and his PS3, with some sort of weapon that would make asking a lot easier? The demo has convinced me that magical hand grenades are very persuasive.

    Nah, it was just a joke, and we were planning to get together with some other friends next week anyway, so I'll suggest the game to him, if he doesn't know about it already.
    Chance wrote: »
    Edit: it is just one game. I'm not sure any single game is worth getting a system for - but this game may well be the first great JRPG on the PS3. If you want a PS3 and Uncharted, MGS, LBP and this doesn't convince you... stick with your 360.

    This thread is actually pretty timely because my 360 just broke down, and I'm about to sell my 360 games to get a new video card. This game, and you, have just persuaded me to get a PS3 instead. Congrats!

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    (rubs hands together menacingly!)

    Muahahahahahah! Two down! I don't think you'll regret it. My PS3's been very good to me. Also, Siren: Blood Curse.

    Pleh... top-of-page post >.<

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  • CrashmoCrashmo Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Boooo!

    Get off the stage!

    I finally tried this demo out. It pretty much has everything I could ever want from a game.

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Now that your eyes have been opened, you must spread the gospel to the heathens.

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  • CrashmoCrashmo Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Chance wrote: »
    Now that your eyes have been opened, you must spread the gospel to the heathens.

    It took me 30 minutes to finish the tutorial because I couldn't stop having joy spasms and telling everyone I knew how amazing the game was. :P

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Crashmo wrote: »
    Chance wrote: »
    Now that your eyes have been opened, you must spread the gospel to the heathens.

    It took me 30 minutes to finish the tutorial because I couldn't stop having joy spasms and telling everyone I knew how amazing the game was. :P

    (tents fingers)

    Excellent.

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  • CarbonFireCarbonFire See you in the countryRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    OK Chance, your (well placed) radical fanaticism over this game has inspired me to ramp my own hype meter up a bit. New sig should help spread the word :winky:

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  • Chrono HelixChrono Helix Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I was so lonely when I made this thread back in March. Finally I've got some company. Also, I'm using that sig.

  • CarbonFireCarbonFire See you in the countryRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I was so lonely when I made this thread back in March. Finally I've got some company. Also, I'm using that sig.

    I may crank out more sigs tomorrow if I get the chance. I dug through a couple of trailers / screenshots and picked out some sig-worthy material. We'll see...

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  • NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    So what is this qore thing? How do i get the demo through it, and is it worth it?

  • CarbonFireCarbonFire See you in the countryRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    So what is this qore thing? How do i get the demo through it, and is it worth it?

    Qore is the only way to get the demo if you've got a North American PSN account (Qore costs $2.99 per "issue"). Luckily, it's trivially easy to set up a European PSN account and download the demo for free.

    And yes, it is worth it. Especially if you like RPGs or Strategy games.

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  • darksteeldarksteel Registered User
    edited October 2008
    There's something about the character designs in this game that really appeals to me. Maybe it's because they mixed traditional looking Dutch/Germanic clothes with a military aesthetic. I don't know, it just looks really great. And seeing Alicia learning to fire a rifle in one of the trailers is just so...cute.

    Oh God, what's happening to me? D:

    Also, I took a peek over on the official site, and noticed in the character bios that there are at least two characters that belong to a race in the game that are openly persecuted. I can only assume this is their vague reference to Jews. Kind of strange, but it's nice that they included it.

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