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    CommunistCowCommunistCow Abstract Metal ThingyRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    syndalis wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Other randomness:
    -I got a verbal warning from the police for canvassing the CU dorms because some prick called the cops and told them we were "entering rooms unasked" which constitutes breaking and entering. They took down my info so I'm kind of afraid to go canvass the dorms again for fear of actually getting arrested/ticketed. Anyone know if they keep 'verbal warning' information somewhere in case something like that happened again.

    As long as you aren't entering rooms unasked (I'll assume the guy was lying) you should be fine. I'm pretty sure B&E isn't a "ticketing" offense, so any actual charge of it should get you a public defender. And I'm pretty sure the prosecution would have a hard time meeting their burden when the entirety of their evidence is "this college guy totally says he did it."

    Yea but thats the sort of shit I don't really need to be worrying or dealing with when trying to help run this campaign. Also I think they could still charge me with trespassing because we aren't technically allowed in the dorms.
    Thats your issue.

    Don't go into the dorms themselves; spend a few hours middle of the day in the quads or the breezeways; you will catch tons more people, even if only for a few seconds.

    Honestly its hard to get people to talk to you and disseminate information in that manner. Also we need to know where our supporters live so on election day we can effectively coordinate our GOTV effort.

    Another thing trespassing != B&E.

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    That would make a good RPG map with the blue being land and the red being sea.

    Geologically unlikely.

    God, we are such geeks.

    It coudl be interesting if you were doing something like a Pirates game...

    It would be at least an intriguing game concept.

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    QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    ...
    This seems sensible. Indeed, as Sept. 11 did not result in a much-feared (by intellectuals) wave of popular Islamophobia or xenophobia

    Wow. That is the most amazing thing I've ever read. Every single fucking thing this man says is wrong.

    Shit, even his tone is wrong. His column is a sprawling defense of the whims of the masses and it's written with this sneering condescending elitist shit-eating grin.

    If Bill Kristol were a character in a movie he'd be like some comical adaptation of the King's evil chancellor or vizier, or Herod in the Bible.

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    werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
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    This seems sensible. Indeed, as Sept. 11 did not result in a much-feared (by intellectuals) wave of popular Islamophobia or xenophobia

    The real question is whether Kristol is retarded (a distinct possibility), oblivious (entirely possible, since he was pushing Palin for VP and she's the epitome of this phenomena), or he's trying to create a self fulfilling prophecy (isn't it great people didn't blame Wall St for that pesky financial business? People sure are great, not letting those snotty liberals tell them how to think! Just like when, uhhh, we didn't blame Muslims for 9/11? But nevermind, common people are great and think like I tell them to!).

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    Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Sam wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Sam wrote: »
    It actually stuns me to not see Obama take him to task on it. If it's easy enough for me to figure out by just doing a little digging, why can't Obama just point it out? I did drink during all the debates but I recall feeling frustrated that Obama wasn't refuting along those lines whenever Mccain started chewing the cud.

    It takes more than 30 seconds to explain and make a point. He may have wrapped it into his stump speech with the broader discussion of tax cuts and the economy and abloo, but nobody cares about stump speeches.

    "Senator MCcain claims that my plan raises taxes on small business owners. This is patently false- he refers to those that file their small business income as personal income for taxation reasons. These hard working individuals are entirely capable of and will have every incentive to declare their own actual salary from their profits as personal income, which gets them a tax cut, and file the income their businesses bring in under the appropriate scheduling where no small or medium business will see any kind of increase. My opponent, in his desperation to undermine a policy that would be beneficial to the vast majority of talented, hard working individuals who pay taxes is relying on people not looking into his claims, looking into their own options for taxation scheduling. But John you have to realize, this won't work, not here, not today. Because our people, after having been lied to for 8 years are going to demand and pursue the truth they deserve."

    The last thing that a lot of people want to hear is that they're going to have to figure out how to file differently to get this tax break.

    Even though the people that don't already understand what you said won't be affected at all, and will in fact benefit under Obama, because really, there's no way you're going to make over 250k as a small business without knowing this already. You have to learn how to file all kinds of new shit as soon as you start your business, and this comes along with that.

    I think Obama's been pretty good at driving home the "95% of individuals, 98% of small businesses" point, but maybe not.

    edit: plus it kind of sounds slimy to the untrained ear. It kind of makes it sound like Obama is pro-tax loopholes / creative accounting or something. Even though this is just standard stuff, it might sound shady to someone who's only ever filed a 1040EZ.

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Other randomness:
    -I got a verbal warning from the police for canvassing the CU dorms because some prick called the cops and told them we were "entering rooms unasked" which constitutes breaking and entering. They took down my info so I'm kind of afraid to go canvass the dorms again for fear of actually getting arrested/ticketed. Anyone know if they keep 'verbal warning' information somewhere in case something like that happened again.

    As long as you aren't entering rooms unasked (I'll assume the guy was lying) you should be fine. I'm pretty sure B&E isn't a "ticketing" offense, so any actual charge of it should get you a public defender. And I'm pretty sure the prosecution would have a hard time meeting their burden when the entirety of their evidence is "this college guy totally says he did it."

    That's only true if you honestly can't afford one. Like, no disposable income whatsoever.

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    SalSal Damnedest Little Fellow Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Duffel wrote: »
    What would the most conservative university be, anyway? I would say Patrick Henry but I'm not well versed on politically-skewed colleges.

    Bob Jones?

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    QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    werehippy wrote: »
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    This seems sensible. Indeed, as Sept. 11 did not result in a much-feared (by intellectuals) wave of popular Islamophobia or xenophobia

    The real question is whether Kristol is retarded (a distinct possibility), oblivious (entirely possible, since he was pushing Palin for VP and she's the epitome of this phenomena), or he's trying to create a self fulfilling prophecy (isn't it great people didn't blame Wall St for that pesky financial business? People sure are great, not letting those snotty liberals tell them how to think! Just like when, uhhh, we didn't blame Muslims for 9/11? But nevermind, common people are great and think like I tell them to!).
    I don't think he's retarded or oblivious. I think he is fucking evil.

    I think he knows perfectly well that he is liable to gain monetarily and politically if his "side" wins. He's basically a surrogate for the campaign; I'm sure he'll be rewarded if they win. And he is literally willing to say or argue anything—even the most didactic, sophist bullshit as that article—so his side can win. I mean, have you seen this man on TV, saying this shit with a straight face?

    You don't have to be gullible or oblivious to be intellectually dishonest, you just have to be dishonest.

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    Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Duffel wrote: »
    What would the most conservative university be, anyway? I would say Patrick Henry but I'm not well versed on politically-skewed colleges.

    I would have thought BYU, but apparently it only ranks 8th according to the Princeton Review...the thing is I dont just go to BYU, I go to BYU Idaho, up here, students talk about BYU Provo like some sort of apostate party school

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Sal wrote: »
    Duffel wrote: »
    What would the most conservative university be, anyway? I would say Patrick Henry but I'm not well versed on politically-skewed colleges.

    Bob Jones?

    I'd imagine Liberty University, no?

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    CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Sal wrote: »
    Duffel wrote: »
    What would the most conservative university be, anyway? I would say Patrick Henry but I'm not well versed on politically-skewed colleges.

    Bob Jones?

    That would be my guess, but maybe there's a more obscure one.
    Qingu wrote: »
    werehippy wrote: »
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    This seems sensible. Indeed, as Sept. 11 did not result in a much-feared (by intellectuals) wave of popular Islamophobia or xenophobia

    The real question is whether Kristol is retarded (a distinct possibility), oblivious (entirely possible, since he was pushing Palin for VP and she's the epitome of this phenomena), or he's trying to create a self fulfilling prophecy (isn't it great people didn't blame Wall St for that pesky financial business? People sure are great, not letting those snotty liberals tell them how to think! Just like when, uhhh, we didn't blame Muslims for 9/11? But nevermind, common people are great and think like I tell them to!).
    I don't think he's retarded or oblivious. I think he is fucking evil.

    I think he knows perfectly well that he is liable to gain monetarily and politically if his "side" wins. He's basically a surrogate for the campaign; I'm sure he'll be rewarded if they win. And he is literally willing to say or argue anything—even the most didactic, sophist bullshit as that article—so his side can win. I mean, have you seen this man on TV, saying this shit with a straight face?

    You don't have to be gullible or oblivious to be intellectually dishonest, you just have to be dishonest.

    He always seemed nice on The Daily Show, although maybe that's just part of the illusion.

    And no, I've never seen a clip of him saying anything with a straight face, because even when he's trying to be serious the corners of his lips are always upturned.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Duffel wrote: »
    What would the most conservative university be, anyway? I would say Patrick Henry but I'm not well versed on politically-skewed colleges.

    I would have thought BYU, but apparently it only ranks 8th according to the Princeton Review...the thing is I dont just go to BYU, I go to BYU Idaho, up here, students talk about BYU Provo like some sort of apostate party school

    I'm going to guess that a school with a national title in football, no matter how bogus, is probably at least a little bit of a party school. How else do you recruit good football players?

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    ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    McCain is up in West Virginia so it is probably no longer a swing state.
    Well, scratch West Virginia from the swing state list for the time being. Both Public Policy Polling and Mason-Dixon have new polling out in the state, and they give John McCain leads of 8 and 6 points respectively. It's possible that this is one of those areas where McCain's attacks on Barack Obama are having some resonance. It's also possible that the state was never all that close to begin with, and that the ARG poll from two weeks ago that gave Obama a substantial lead was one of those infamous ARG outliers. By no means is the state totally unwinnable for Obama -- and I'd still like to see what, say, Research 2000 or Rasmussen or SurveyUSA have to say about it -- but in all probability, it is pretty far from the tipping point.


    It's all going alone with my plan, wherein Nebraska becomes the deciding state since it splits it's electoral votes.
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    *evil scientist laugh*

    Sorry dude, Iowa isn't going to vote for anti-ethanol John McCain. You'll have to find 7 other electoral votes for the old man.

    Edit: You can give him Connecticut and all its Joementum.

    Except Bush won Iowa last time.

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    Whenever I see this map I can't help but think that America suffers from a horrible stupid rash.

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    DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Sal wrote: »
    Bob Jones?
    I guess it would depend on whether we were talking about religious schools, or just schools in very conservative parts of the country.

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    MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »

    2004countymap-final.gif
    Whenever I see this map I can't help but think that America suffers from a horrible rash of stupid.

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    DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Yeah, that map is about the most depressing thing ever. I had no idea it was that bad. I mean, I knew Kerry was a bad candidate but damn.

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2008
    Qingu wrote: »
    werehippy wrote: »
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    This seems sensible. Indeed, as Sept. 11 did not result in a much-feared (by intellectuals) wave of popular Islamophobia or xenophobia

    The real question is whether Kristol is retarded (a distinct possibility), oblivious (entirely possible, since he was pushing Palin for VP and she's the epitome of this phenomena), or he's trying to create a self fulfilling prophecy (isn't it great people didn't blame Wall St for that pesky financial business? People sure are great, not letting those snotty liberals tell them how to think! Just like when, uhhh, we didn't blame Muslims for 9/11? But nevermind, common people are great and think like I tell them to!).
    I don't think he's retarded or oblivious. I think he is fucking evil.

    I think he knows perfectly well that he is liable to gain monetarily and politically if his "side" wins. He's basically a surrogate for the campaign; I'm sure he'll be rewarded if they win. And he is literally willing to say or argue anything—even the most didactic, sophist bullshit as that article—so his side can win. I mean, have you seen this man on TV, saying this shit with a straight face?

    You don't have to be gullible or oblivious to be intellectually dishonest, you just have to be dishonest.

    Trust me, he's not retarded. I have autism in my family, and my mom's active in special education programs, so I'll tell you when somebody's retarded. It's like gaydar, but with a helmet!


    I am so going to hell.

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    SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    All that map really says is that an awful lot of empty space voted for Bush

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    DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Unfortunately, the system is skewed so that people who live in BFE's votes count more than people who don't.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Duffel wrote: »
    What would the most conservative university be, anyway? I would say Patrick Henry but I'm not well versed on politically-skewed colleges.

    I would have thought BYU, but apparently it only ranks 8th according to the Princeton Review...the thing is I dont just go to BYU, I go to BYU Idaho, up here, students talk about BYU Provo like some sort of apostate party school

    I have a 15-year-old friend of mine who's a sophomore at BYU Provo, and he changed from hard-line conservative to crazy batshit party line "no military at all, socialism = good" liberal in one year there. It's so strange I can't even fathom it.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    ABC/WaPo poll to be released in full tomorrow looks good for Obama. The teasing release is this:

    Ayers/ACORN/Palin = FAIL

    Also Obama has a 2:1 edge on optimism.

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    DukiDuki Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »

    2004countymap-final.gif
    Whenever I see this map I can't help but think that America suffers from a horrible rash of stupid.

    Agreed.

    Too much blue.

    Ho ho ho.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Further looking at that map, I find it fascinating how blue the Mississippi River is, especially in the South.

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    seasleepyseasleepy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Palin talks to the Christian Broadcasting Network:
    Brody: On Constitutional marriage amendment , are, are you for something like that?

    Palin: I am, in my own, state, I have voted along with the vast majority of Alaskans who had the opportunity to vote to amend our Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman. I wish on a federal level that that's where we would go because I don't support gay marriage. I'm not going to be out there judging individuals, sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can't do, should and should not do, but I certainly can express my own opinion here and take actions that I believe would be best for traditional marriage and that's casting my votes and speaking up for traditional marriage that, that instrument that it's the foundation of our society is that strong family and that's based on that traditional definition of marriage, so I do support that.

    THOSE SENTENCES ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE ARGH.

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    SnorkSnork word Jamaica Plain, MARegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I take comfort in the fact that even in a map so insanely red as that, there is only one county in my entire state that is not blue.
    On the other hand, the state I go to school in is the reddest in the quasi-northeast. :<

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Further looking at that map, I find it fascinating how blue the Mississippi River is, especially in the South.

    Trade tends to open minds.

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Further looking at that map, I find it fascinating how blue the Mississippi River is, especially in the South.

    Why is that fascinating? As someone who lives in one of those blue river districts, it's not all that surprising.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Elldren wrote: »
    Further looking at that map, I find it fascinating how blue the Mississippi River is, especially in the South.

    Why is that fascinating? As someone who lives in one of those blue river districts, it's not all that surprising.

    It's just not something you think about up here. Or at least I didn't.

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    CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Elldren wrote: »
    Further looking at that map, I find it fascinating how blue the Mississippi River is, especially in the South.

    Why is that fascinating? As someone who lives in one of those blue river districts, it's not all that surprising.

    It's just not something you think about up here. Or at least I didn't.

    To us "Northerners" the South seems more homogeneous than that.

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/oct/18/owner-believes-lexus-vandalized-due-mccain-sticker/
    Clearwater - CLEARWATER Frank Armstrong was preparing to go for a jog this morning when he noticed his Lexus – adorned with a McCain-Palin sticker - had been vandalized with obscenities and a burned American flag.

    Armstrong discovered the damage to his 2006 Lexus about 8:30 a.m. at his Sand Key condominium at 1400 Gulf Blvd. Clearwater police and Armstrong said someone etched obscenities and "KKK" into the paint, burned several areas of the car with cigarettes, set the flag on fire on his hood and may have urinated on the vehicle. Officers and Armstrong think the car was singled out because of its political stickers, including one reading "Nobama."

    "This is definitely a hate crime," said Armstrong, a 41-year-old physician.

    Police estimated damage at $4,500. Police classified the incident as "criminal mischief/hate crime" and said it appeared "to be politically/racially motivated because the victim affixed a bumper sticker supporting the McCain campaign as well as an anti-Obama bumper sticker."

    WTF?!

    How in the world is that even remotely considered a racially motivated hate crime?

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/oct/18/owner-believes-lexus-vandalized-due-mccain-sticker/
    Clearwater - CLEARWATER Frank Armstrong was preparing to go for a jog this morning when he noticed his Lexus – adorned with a McCain-Palin sticker - had been vandalized with obscenities and a burned American flag.

    Armstrong discovered the damage to his 2006 Lexus about 8:30 a.m. at his Sand Key condominium at 1400 Gulf Blvd. Clearwater police and Armstrong said someone etched obscenities and "KKK" into the paint, burned several areas of the car with cigarettes, set the flag on fire on his hood and may have urinated on the vehicle. Officers and Armstrong think the car was singled out because of its political stickers, including one reading "Nobama."

    "This is definitely a hate crime," said Armstrong, a 41-year-old physician.

    Police estimated damage at $4,500. Police classified the incident as "criminal mischief/hate crime" and said it appeared "to be politically/racially motivated because the victim affixed a bumper sticker supporting the McCain campaign as well as an anti-Obama bumper sticker."

    WTF?!

    How in the world is that even remotely considered a racially motivated hate crime?

    It's not, it's considered a politically/racially motivated hate crime.

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    Captain UltraCaptain Ultra low resolution pictures of birds Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/oct/18/owner-believes-lexus-vandalized-due-mccain-sticker/
    Clearwater - CLEARWATER Frank Armstrong was preparing to go for a jog this morning when he noticed his Lexus – adorned with a McCain-Palin sticker - had been vandalized with obscenities and a burned American flag.

    Armstrong discovered the damage to his 2006 Lexus about 8:30 a.m. at his Sand Key condominium at 1400 Gulf Blvd. Clearwater police and Armstrong said someone etched obscenities and "KKK" into the paint, burned several areas of the car with cigarettes, set the flag on fire on his hood and may have urinated on the vehicle. Officers and Armstrong think the car was singled out because of its political stickers, including one reading "Nobama."

    "This is definitely a hate crime," said Armstrong, a 41-year-old physician.

    Police estimated damage at $4,500. Police classified the incident as "criminal mischief/hate crime" and said it appeared "to be politically/racially motivated because the victim affixed a bumper sticker supporting the McCain campaign as well as an anti-Obama bumper sticker."

    WTF?!

    How in the world is that even remotely considered a racially motivated hate crime?
    Only honkies support McCain.

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/oct/18/owner-believes-lexus-vandalized-due-mccain-sticker/
    Clearwater - CLEARWATER Frank Armstrong was preparing to go for a jog this morning when he noticed his Lexus – adorned with a McCain-Palin sticker - had been vandalized with obscenities and a burned American flag.

    Armstrong discovered the damage to his 2006 Lexus about 8:30 a.m. at his Sand Key condominium at 1400 Gulf Blvd. Clearwater police and Armstrong said someone etched obscenities and "KKK" into the paint, burned several areas of the car with cigarettes, set the flag on fire on his hood and may have urinated on the vehicle. Officers and Armstrong think the car was singled out because of its political stickers, including one reading "Nobama."

    "This is definitely a hate crime," said Armstrong, a 41-year-old physician.

    Police estimated damage at $4,500. Police classified the incident as "criminal mischief/hate crime" and said it appeared "to be politically/racially motivated because the victim affixed a bumper sticker supporting the McCain campaign as well as an anti-Obama bumper sticker."
    WTF?!

    How in the world is that even remotely considered a racially motivated hate crime?
    Only honkies support McCain.
    Betting good money it turns out white people did it.

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/oct/18/owner-believes-lexus-vandalized-due-mccain-sticker/
    Clearwater - CLEARWATER Frank Armstrong was preparing to go for a jog this morning when he noticed his Lexus – adorned with a McCain-Palin sticker - had been vandalized with obscenities and a burned American flag.

    Armstrong discovered the damage to his 2006 Lexus about 8:30 a.m. at his Sand Key condominium at 1400 Gulf Blvd. Clearwater police and Armstrong said someone etched obscenities and "KKK" into the paint, burned several areas of the car with cigarettes, set the flag on fire on his hood and may have urinated on the vehicle. Officers and Armstrong think the car was singled out because of its political stickers, including one reading "Nobama."

    "This is definitely a hate crime," said Armstrong, a 41-year-old physician.

    Police estimated damage at $4,500. Police classified the incident as "criminal mischief/hate crime" and said it appeared "to be politically/racially motivated because the victim affixed a bumper sticker supporting the McCain campaign as well as an anti-Obama bumper sticker."

    WTF?!

    How in the world is that even remotely considered a racially motivated hate crime?

    It's not, it's considered a politically/racially motivated hate crime.

    I'd like to see a little more evidence that it was politically motivated. Are the perpetrators outspoken Obama suppoters? Did they steal/desecrate a McCain lawn sign? Is there a rash of cars with McCain stickers being vandalized? I mean, this could have easily been done by some guy the victim cut off in traffic. The only thing I see there to support their theory is the "KKK" part and the use of a flag.

    Regardless of if it was politically motivated or not, the people who did it are major assholes who need to be caught. And if they did do it because of political stuff, they should be flogged.

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Cervetus wrote: »
    Elldren wrote: »
    Further looking at that map, I find it fascinating how blue the Mississippi River is, especially in the South.

    Why is that fascinating? As someone who lives in one of those blue river districts, it's not all that surprising.

    It's just not something you think about up here. Or at least I didn't.

    To us "Northerners" the South seems more homogeneous than that.

    It is kinda homogeneous. For example every single one of my neighbors I've spoken with is voting Obama. 100%

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    CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Elldren wrote: »
    Cervetus wrote: »
    Elldren wrote: »
    Further looking at that map, I find it fascinating how blue the Mississippi River is, especially in the South.

    Why is that fascinating? As someone who lives in one of those blue river districts, it's not all that surprising.

    It's just not something you think about up here. Or at least I didn't.

    To us "Northerners" the South seems more homogeneous than that.

    It is kinda homogeneous. For example every single one of my neighbors I've spoken with is voting Obama. 100%

    I don't even speak with my neighbors, so there goes your Southern neighborly stereotypical shit being proven.

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    DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Rent wrote: »
    Duffel wrote: »
    What would the most conservative university be, anyway? I would say Patrick Henry but I'm not well versed on politically-skewed colleges.

    I would have thought BYU, but apparently it only ranks 8th according to the Princeton Review...the thing is I dont just go to BYU, I go to BYU Idaho, up here, students talk about BYU Provo like some sort of apostate party school

    I have a 15-year-old friend of mine who's a sophomore at BYU Provo, and he changed from hard-line conservative to crazy batshit party line "no military at all, socialism = good" liberal in one year there. It's so strange I can't even fathom it.

    I really don't know how this is possible. I mean, this is the school that has an active program trying to dig up ancient Jewish artifacts in the new world, and trying to prove that Native Americans are descended from Jews through genetic testing.

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    Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Tomanta wrote: »
    http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/oct/18/owner-believes-lexus-vandalized-due-mccain-sticker/
    Clearwater - CLEARWATER Frank Armstrong was preparing to go for a jog this morning when he noticed his Lexus – adorned with a McCain-Palin sticker - had been vandalized with obscenities and a burned American flag.

    Armstrong discovered the damage to his 2006 Lexus about 8:30 a.m. at his Sand Key condominium at 1400 Gulf Blvd. Clearwater police and Armstrong said someone etched obscenities and "KKK" into the paint, burned several areas of the car with cigarettes, set the flag on fire on his hood and may have urinated on the vehicle. Officers and Armstrong think the car was singled out because of its political stickers, including one reading "Nobama."

    "This is definitely a hate crime," said Armstrong, a 41-year-old physician.

    Police estimated damage at $4,500. Police classified the incident as "criminal mischief/hate crime" and said it appeared "to be politically/racially motivated because the victim affixed a bumper sticker supporting the McCain campaign as well as an anti-Obama bumper sticker."

    WTF?!

    How in the world is that even remotely considered a racially motivated hate crime?

    It's not, it's considered a politically/racially motivated hate crime.

    I'd like to see a little more evidence that it was politically motivated. Are the perpetrators outspoken Obama suppoters? Did they steal/desecrate a McCain lawn sign? Is there a rash of cars with McCain stickers being vandalized? I mean, this could have easily been done by some guy the victim cut off in traffic. The only thing I see there to support their theory is the "KKK" part and the use of a flag.

    Regardless of if it was politically motivated or not, the people who did it are major assholes who need to be caught. And if they did do it because of political stuff, they should be flogged.



    Not to break out trend, but, if this were to happen a car with an Obama Sticker/anti mccain sticker, with the words "Terrorist" etched into the car...would we really be having this conversation?

    Some people are just idiots, on both sides of the spectrum

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    DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Duki wrote: »
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »

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    Whenever I see this map I can't help but think that America suffers from a horrible rash of stupid.

    Agreed.

    Too much blue.

    Ho ho ho.

    More like all that empty space in the red counties.

    And I'm not just talking about the space in their backyards.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Not to break out trend, but, if this were to happen a car with an Obama Sticker/anti mccain sticker, with the words "Terrorist" etched into the car...would we really be having this conversation?

    Some people are just idiots, on both sides of the spectrum

    If it was a car with an Obama sticker and somebody did that (particularly the 'KKK' part) it might legitimately be considered a hate crime. But mostly just because fo the 'KKK' part. Otherwise it's just politically motivated, but not a hate crime.

    As it is, it's just plain old stupid politically-motivated vandalism.

    Though I think nowadays that can be classified as terrorism, depending on the circumstances.
    Yeah, that map is about the most depressing thing ever. I had no idea it was that bad. I mean, I knew Kerry was a bad candidate but damn.

    Again, I'm not sure those counties really change all that much. It's mostly a matter of the turnout between the red/blue counties.

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